Emre Can

Emre is a decent footballer but thats it. Overrating their own players is very typical of liverpool fans, specially midfielders, not so long ago they were labelling dross like Henderson as the Redondo reincarnation.

Can better than Herrera? Poor wum attempt
 
JustFootballFan said:
I think he would be one of the best player in the world 25-30 years ago. He´s technically excellent, great passer, physically strong. He´s just a bit slow in his decision-making, (ball) movement, holds onto the ball too long and is therefore error-prone. Exactly what you do not want in a great defensive midfielder today. If the game was slower like 20 years ago, he´d be your perfect midfielder.
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That's such a bizarre way to start off a player description.
 
Trikie said:
I don't really understand why any Liverpool fan comes on here and tries to big up/praise any of our players. We all know that as far as most utd fans are concerned as soon as any player signs his name on a Liverpool contract he automatically becomes a shit player.
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Well said.
 
Trikie said:
I don't really understand why any Liverpool fan comes on here and tries to big up/praise any of our players. We all know that as far as most utd fans are concerned as soon as any player signs his name on a Liverpool contract he automatically becomes a shit player.
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Has Mane and Courtinho become shit players according to the cafe?
 
Trikie said:
I don't really understand why any Liverpool fan comes on here and tries to big up/praise any of our players. We all know that as far as most utd fans are concerned as soon as any player signs his name on a Liverpool contract he automatically becomes a shit player.
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That approach gets boring after a while. Far more interesting to debate and discuss without being slavishly blind to a player or club.
 
Trikie said:
I don't really understand why any Liverpool fan comes on here and tries to big up/praise any of our players. We all know that as far as most utd fans are concerned as soon as any player signs his name on a Liverpool contract he automatically becomes a shit player.
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Can has been awful this season but apparently one decent goal makes him a better footballer than Herrera.

It's logic like that the irritates people with a brain on the Caf.
 
Trikie said:
I did say most utd fans. I do recall coutinho being called a one trick pony and mixed views on Mane
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You'll find that on every single forum. Liverpool fans have criticised Can on several occasions have they not?
 
PickledRed said:
That approach gets boring after a while. Far more interesting to debate and discuss without being slavishly blind to a player or club.
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When a player is good he is good and will get praised, like Mané, Coutinho and even Firminho in some matches. Emre Can has improved but he still is an average footballer in general for me. Klopp is doing a very good job getting the best out of an average/decent bunch of footballers at Liverpool.
 
Great goal yesterday. Otherwise he's decent...ish. Not sure what exactly he's exceptional at. He's ok at pretty much everything though.
 
Lizard said:
Fans think he's shite because quite frankly we haven't had a player like that in our midfield since Masch, perhaps even Didi.
Can is an enforcer with huge potential, people forget the guy's not even 24 yet. Every time you watch him, he does something that you just know will translate into a huge strength in the future, be it long balls, passes in the box, tackles etc. Compare him to someone his age like maybe Kevin Stewart, and you'll see what I mean, for his age Can is an exceptional PL midfielder that will only get better. You're just not used to having someone with balls in the team, someone that will take every opportunity to commit dirty fouls, then bitch about it to the ref and get away with it, then run with the ball across half the field without anyone of the opponents able to give chase.

We simply didn't have a midfielder like that in a long while, mainly because our last two managers simply didn't see physicality as strength. It is actually quite painful watching teams like the two Manchester clubs and Arsenal, where they take every opportunity to complain to the ref and use every dirty tactic in the book to get their way, we simply stopped doing that at one point, and it shows in our results against weak opposition, that's why Can is such a welcoming addition, his attitude is similar to that of Ander Herrera, except Can's better at football.

Stop underrating him, he'll be class and deserves that contract extension.
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You're not serious, are you? Are you a WUM or something?

ArmandTamzarian said:
This is exactly the two sides of Can. There are times when he's purposeful and efficient with his energy and he's brilliant in those games but then every few games he'll be running about like his head is on fire committing silly fouls and giving away errant passes. He just needs to learn how to compose himself a bit more, get more consistency and he'll be a brilliant midfielder for us.
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Yea, that's pretty much him. Even without the injury, he can do some really dumb things sometimes. The earlier part of the season he was playing some awful football too. I just hope he's not only playing this well because he's either angling for a contract extension or a move away from the club.
 
Lizard said:
Fans think he's shite because quite frankly we haven't had a player like that in our midfield since Masch, perhaps even Didi.
Can is an enforcer with huge potential, people forget the guy's not even 24 yet. Every time you watch him, he does something that you just know will translate into a huge strength in the future, be it long balls, passes in the box, tackles etc. Compare him to someone his age like maybe Kevin Stewart, and you'll see what I mean, for his age Can is an exceptional PL midfielder that will only get better. You're just not used to having someone with balls in the team, someone that will take every opportunity to commit dirty fouls, then bitch about it to the ref and get away with it, then run with the ball across half the field without anyone of the opponents able to give chase.

We simply didn't have a midfielder like that in a long while, mainly because our last two managers simply didn't see physicality as strength. It is actually quite painful watching teams like the two Manchester clubs and Arsenal, where they take every opportunity to complain to the ref and use every dirty tactic in the book to get their way, we simply stopped doing that at one point, and it shows in our results against weak opposition, that's why Can is such a welcoming addition, his attitude is similar to that of Ander Herrera, except Can's better at football.

Stop underrating him, he'll be class and deserves that contract extension.
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Wow.... so much wrong in one post, I feel sick to my stomach....
 
Glanville95 said:
That's such a bizarre way to start off a player description.
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Why? There are just certain type of players that the rule changes leave behind. Like in the NBA you now want PF/C that can spread the floor and move their feet quickly laterally on defense, as opposed to big man that play in the low post. The game evolves in certain directions and so do the requirements of a player. All sports change and Can is just one of those guys that was born in the wrong era, unless he can speed up his decision-making and processing.
 
ivaldo said:
You'll find that on every single forum. Liverpool fans have criticised Can on several occasions have they not?
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Yeah, but to deny that Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana and Mane are high-class players is just ignorant. If they are not top players then nobody on United is either, which would be pretty tragic after spending 300M the last two years.

Can is a good player. He´s a starter, if you surround him with better teammates. If you have to put him next to Lucas, they become the snail squad. Ideally Can is your 12th to 16th man that will do a good job in multiple positions, when asked for.
 
Overall, Can has been pretty poor this season. Has come back into some decent form of late, so maybe his recovery from injury played a part in some of his below-par performances. Having said all that, he pisses all over Cleverley, & we all know how much a lot of United fans rated him when he wore their shirt not so long ago.
 
kouroux said:
When a player is good he is good and will get praised, like Mané, Coutinho and even Firminho in some matches. Emre Can has improved but he still is an average footballer in general for me. Klopp is doing a very good job getting the best out of an average/decent bunch of footballers at Liverpool.
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I'd be staggered if top managers agree with this when setting up against Liverpool. If it is, indeed, true is that not a damning indictment on the 3 teams below Liverpool? Injury ravaged, small squad, average players, 3rd.

Is Klopp genius?
 
Can was doing well towards the end of last season and put in some very good performances, especially in our EL campaign. He seems to have gone backwards a bit this season, but having said that he has scored 5 goals (previous best was 1!), and according to Klopp was carrying a minor injury for a while and played all the same. Next season (assuming he stays of course) will define his career with us going forward - can he step up and become consistent, or will he be relegated to a squad player. He can't be classed as a young developing player forever.
 
aye it's true what Pick says - don't get the current love affair with Herrera all that much either - neat & tidy, tries hard, might be promising, bit of a bellend

Mane, Firmino & Coutinho (on his game) are very good - although I can't stand the highly punch-able smug features of 'fair Weather Phil', Lallana been very good this year too.

but Can - mirror loving Billy Bigtime & stupid hair, bang average biffer with a bit of clog, can't hit a barn door normally
 
PickledRed said:
I'd be staggered if top managers agree with this when setting up against Liverpool. If it is, indeed, true is that not a damning indictment on the 3 teams below Liverpool? Injury ravaged, small squad, average players, 3rd.

Is Klopp genius?
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If you're injury ravaged then I'm not sure what United are (suffering much much worse injury wise)
 
JustFootballFan said:
Yeah, but to deny that Coutinho, Firmino, Lallana and Mane are high-class players is just ignorant. If they are not top players then nobody on United is either, which would be pretty tragic after spending 300M the last two years.

Can is a good player. He´s a starter, if you surround him with better teammates. If you have to put him next to Lucas, they become the snail squad. Ideally Can is your 12th to 16th man that will do a good job in multiple positions, when asked for.
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Precisely. Good players are praised whilst average/poor players are criticised. It's hardly a shocking revelation.
 
TheReligion said:
If you're injury ravaged then I'm not sure what United are (suffering much much worse injury wise)
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Not for a second suggesting otherwise. United's superior squad has probably helped in comparison. Just look at the 2p bench Liverpool had against Palace. United's bench hasn't looked like that, I don't think.

Either way, Liverpool's injury list has hurt form. That was my main point.
 
Finn MacCool said:
Can was doing well towards the end of last season and put in some very good performances, especially in our EL campaign. He seems to have gone backwards a bit this season, but having said that he has scored 5 goals (previous best was 1!), and according to Klopp was carrying a minor injury for a while and played all the same. Next season (assuming he stays of course) will define his career with us going forward - can he step up and become consistent, or will he be relegated to a squad player. He can't be classed as a young developing player forever.
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If you keep him, you'll have a very good midfielder for the next 7-9 years.
One of the few opposition players that I would love to see in a Chelsea shirt. I do think that he can still improve a lot.
 
Dec9003 said:
I reckon Can is pretty decent to be fair, but better than Herrera? He's not even close.
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On the contrary, he's very close. I fail to see what exactly makes Herrera a good footballer since all he did well this season was run around Hazard and make a fantastic Mourinho impression every time he mistimed a tackle and got booked.

If your players are so much better, why are you still behind us? Is it perhaps because you're all still equating the money spent with quality? Which one of your players is even good enough for Liverpool starting XI? Ibrahimovic, De Gea and Mkhitaryan are the only ones I can really think of, the rest may be more expensive than Liverpool players, but they certainly aren't better, otherwise you'd be in 3rd right now, not us.

You cannot keep equating price with quality, you're just enabling your bosses to keep overspending on players that fail to deliver, like Pogba.
 
Trikie said:
I don't really understand why any Liverpool fan comes on here and tries to big up/praise any of our players. We all know that as far as most utd fans are concerned as soon as any player signs his name on a Liverpool contract he automatically becomes a shit player.
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Coutinho, Mane and Firmino are very good players, Clyne isn't a bad fullback either and there are a few other decent players in between.

But Can is shite.
 
Can looked decent when he was playing as the deepest midfielder. His physical attributes give him a good edge in terms of being able to out-muscle players as well as cover are large amount of space. Technically he is solid however his speed of thought isn't the greatest which particularly inhibits him when he is in more advanced areas. Going forward I think Klopp should be looking at playing Henderson and Can as a double pivot in midfield, particularly if the full backs will continue to bomb on. Could go a long way to improving Liverpool's counter attacking vulnerabilities, and would certainly suit Can.

He's a decent player capable of putting in some very good performances, he has age on his side to turn those flashes into something more meaningful.
 
He played his best season in 13/14 for Leverkusen and didn’t improve at all during the last 2-3 years. He excelled when playing next to Bender (DM) and Castro (playmaker). He had little responsibility, which allowed him to use his physical and technical attributes without being a liability for the team. He is way too inconsistent, rash and undisciplined to use him as DM and he is not a CM playmaker either. That’s his problem since he is 16 and he hardly improved at all when it comes these qualities. He is the same kind of player that Khedira was before joining Juventus (just not equally good).

Few people would deny, that Can has some great qualities. The problem is that he has also rather obvious flaws. The total package is not particularly impressive.
 
Lizard said:
On the contrary, he's very close. I fail to see what exactly makes Herrera a good footballer since all he did well this season was run around Hazard and make a fantastic Mourinho impression every time he mistimed a tackle and got booked.

If your players are so much better, why are you still behind us? Is it perhaps because you're all still equating the money spent with quality? Which one of your players is even good enough for Liverpool starting XI? Ibrahimovic, De Gea and Mkhitaryan are the only ones I can really think of, the rest may be more expensive than Liverpool players, but they certainly aren't better, otherwise you'd be in 3rd right now, not us.

You cannot keep equating price with quality, you're just enabling your bosses to keep overspending on players that fail to deliver, like Pogba.
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Poor post.
 
Lizard said:
On the contrary, he's very close. I fail to see what exactly makes Herrera a good footballer since all he did well this season was run around Hazard and make a fantastic Mourinho impression every time he mistimed a tackle and got booked.

If your players are so much better, why are you still behind us? Is it perhaps because you're all still equating the money spent with quality? Which one of your players is even good enough for Liverpool starting XI? Ibrahimovic, De Gea and Mkhitaryan are the only ones I can really think of, the rest may be more expensive than Liverpool players, but they certainly aren't better, otherwise you'd be in 3rd right now, not us.

You cannot keep equating price with quality, you're just enabling your bosses to keep overspending on players that fail to deliver, like Pogba.
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Poor poor post. You really have no clue.
 
PickledRed said:
I'd be staggered if top managers agree with this when setting up against Liverpool. If it is, indeed, true is that not a damning indictment on the 3 teams below Liverpool? Injury ravaged, small squad, average players, 3rd.

Is Klopp genius?
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That is how I see it tbh. Liverpool are average, the rest is more or less at the same level if not worse.
 
kouroux said:
That is how I see it tbh. Liverpool are average, the rest is more or less at the same level if not worse.
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But haven't the top 6 taken record points this season? How is it poor if the tally to guarantee top 4 is unusually high? Previous seasons a team can qualify with mid-60s. It's going to be 70+ this year.

Poor?
 
PickledRed said:
But haven't the top 6 taken record points this season? How is it poor if the tally to guarantee top 4 is unusually high? Previous seasons a team can qualify with mid-60s. It's going to be 70+ this year.

Poor?
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Agree with a post I saw earlier on this thread where someone said how impressive nearly every side was up until Christmas. The top teams rarely dropped points to the lower sides, winning at a canter in many cases. It was quite an intense race with every point dropped potentially decisive.

However now, the sides competing for top four are continuously slipping up and not taking full advantage when in a position to pounce - particularly United. The competition is certainly stronger than last season, but I don't think it's unfair to suggest Spurs and Chelsea are the only very good sides in the league with minor, if any, real weaknesses. Contrastingly, City, Liverpool, United and Arsenal are all hugely fallible sides with glaring weaknesses.
 
Lizard said:
On the contrary, he's very close. I fail to see what exactly makes Herrera a good footballer since all he did well this season was run around Hazard and make a fantastic Mourinho impression every time he mistimed a tackle and got booked.

If your players are so much better, why are you still behind us? Is it perhaps because you're all still equating the money spent with quality? Which one of your players is even good enough for Liverpool starting XI? Ibrahimovic, De Gea and Mkhitaryan are the only ones I can really think of, the rest may be more expensive than Liverpool players, but they certainly aren't better, otherwise you'd be in 3rd right now, not us.

You cannot keep equating price with quality, you're just enabling your bosses to keep overspending on players that fail to deliver, like Pogba.
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I have tried to come up with some arguments, but this post is so wrong on many levels, I won't even bother. It's either you're a wum or a wum. :wenger:

I'd suggest you have a look at some stats and see the difference.
 
PickledRed said:
But haven't the top 6 taken record points this season? How is it poor if the tally to guarantee top 4 is unusually high? Previous seasons a team can qualify with mid-60s. It's going to be 70+ this year.

Poor?
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Yes poor, you only need your eyes to see that the likes of United, Arsenal and Man City are average teams in relation to where they're expected to be and to perform.
 
kouroux said:
Yes poor, you only need your eyes to see that the likes of United, Arsenal and Man City are average teams in relation to where they're expected to be and to perform.
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Yet Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool United and City all have more points this season compared to last. So is this league actually getting stronger at the top not weaker?
 
Lizard said:
On the contrary, he's very close. I fail to see what exactly makes Herrera a good footballer since all he did well this season was run around Hazard and make a fantastic Mourinho impression every time he mistimed a tackle and got booked.

If your players are so much better, why are you still behind us? Is it perhaps because you're all still equating the money spent with quality? Which one of your players is even good enough for Liverpool starting XI? Ibrahimovic, De Gea and Mkhitaryan are the only ones I can really think of, the rest may be more expensive than Liverpool players, but they certainly aren't better, otherwise you'd be in 3rd right now, not us.

You cannot keep equating price with quality, you're just enabling your bosses to keep overspending on players that fail to deliver, like Pogba.
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My God ! You're worse than me !!
 
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