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Gaming Elden Ring - Fromsoftware
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That's the important one, I like to put on a show
Bloody slash didn't need nerfing (unless I was misusing it?)
I got it today, despite not really playing any From games before except Bloodborne (which I loved but never got close to completing as it was too frustrating). I don't really understand what's going on but I like the combat. I feel like the RPG elements may be a bit tough to grasp for someone who doesn't play RPGs basically, with all the runes, skills, potion etc, but I may get there eventually... I probably need to finish Horizon before I get down to this properly anyway.
You’ll get there. It took me a while but I’m loving it now. Couldn’t even imagine playing Horizon now with what I heard about it. Such basic open world stuff that has been done a million times before.
Yeah it's defintely overwhleming with all the different rpg elements thrown at you. There's almost too many mechanics in the game to grasp early on.
As a starter for 10 try to understand the levelling up system first. Runes are your currency in the game that you need both to level up and buy shit. You can consume the ones in your inventory to add them to your tally (don't consume the boss ones as these can be used to craft weapons). If you go into status you can see how many runes you need to hold to level up one of the attributes which you do at sites of grace. Vigor is your health bar (red), Endurance is stamina (green) and also important for how much equipment you can carry and still be mobile (tip - try to stay at medium load or below). The other ones are build specific but to use certain weapons and shields effectively you'll need to have that attribute levelled up to the minimum requirement which you can see by highlighting the weapon in your inventory. For example the axe you get from defeating Godrick requires you to have Strength 34 and Dexterity 22 before you can use it.
Another quick pointer for your basic potions - collect golden seeds at those small golden trees you see dotted about to increase the number of flasks you can carry and collect sacred tears to increase the potency of them (i.e. fill up more of the bar). You can do both of these upgrades also at sites of grace.
No its not OP, at least not if Moonveil is OK.
Its basically a diagonal Moonveil with downsides and no flexibility.. But it adds bloodloss to weapons so I guess it has utility
Nerfing the sword of moon and flame has ruined my chance of cheesing the game, dammit.
As of Patch 1.03, Sword of Night and Flame's Comet Azur and Flame skills appear to have been nerfed by -30% and -22.2% respectively.
As of Patch 1.03, Sword of Night and Flame's Comet Azur and Flame skills appear to have been nerfed by -30% and -22.2% respectively.
Gotta say its' a bit cheaty, but having the knowledge of a Rune farm makes the game so much more playable when exploring. I'm happy enough to write off 30k runes now for the sake of digging around even when out of potions 
So it turns out they did nerf Moonveil...slightly. The damage is untouched, but they nerfed the poise damage a bit which makes sense. You were able to pretty much stagger end game bosses in 2-3 hits of transient moonlight, now it takes a little longer.
Its still by far the most OP weapon in PVP though.
Its still by far the most OP weapon in PVP though.
Tbh bosses usually give enough runes to go up a level or two. If I still need a little bit to top off, I'll rune farm for a bit. The only other time I'd farm is if I need runes to upgrade a weapon or ash summon, or if I want to buy something and I don't have the bank.Gotta say its' a bit cheaty, but having the knowledge of a Rune farm makes the game so much more playable when exploring. I'm happy enough to write off 30k runes now for the sake of digging around even when out of potions
I've lost thousands of runes while exploring doing dungeons but it hasn't really affected my levelling. On the contrary I've pretty much been consistently overlevelled for everything I've been doing.
There are hard counters in PvP - funny watching moonveil spammers and flame/bleed reflection exploiters get countered by that shield that reflects
I've finished with the game now possibly for a year or so i did try new game plus for a bit but its so easy that its not really worth even playing.
easily 2/3 shotting every boss that comes towards you with 14 flasks +10 and max weapons for both sorcery and warrior i can run around in heavy armour with a staff in one hand and a weapon in the other and do as much damage with spells or melee combat.
Fantastic game but i still believe the old style dungeon system is miles better then any of this open world stuff.
Stormville castle my favourite location in the game and possibly the hardest part of the whole game when originally playing.
easily 2/3 shotting every boss that comes towards you with 14 flasks +10 and max weapons for both sorcery and warrior i can run around in heavy armour with a staff in one hand and a weapon in the other and do as much damage with spells or melee combat.
Fantastic game but i still believe the old style dungeon system is miles better then any of this open world stuff.
Stormville castle my favourite location in the game and possibly the hardest part of the whole game when originally playing.
Thanks a lot. I must say I've played two hours now and have never felt this overwhelmed. I literally have zero idea what's going on, except I keep dying and losing everything. I'll obviously give it more try but I'm starting to feel I may not be patient enough for this. I don't know where to go, what to do, don't even know how to equip a weapon.
Just remember that animation cancelling isn't really a thing in this game. You may not realise it but in a lot of games you can cancel inputs with new commands, but in games like the Soulsborne or Monster Hunter series you need to commit to actions and spamming is punished.
Beyond that explore the world and follow where the lights are pointing you for the story.
Build a character you will find fun and engaging, then get good with it.
Just remember that animation cancelling isn't really a thing in this game. You may not realise it but in a lot of games you can cancel inputs with new commands, but in games like the Soulsborne or Monster Hunter series you need to commit to actions and spamming is punished.
Beyond that explore the world and follow where the lights are pointing you for the story.
Build a character you will find fun and engaging, then get good with it.
Yeah I remember that from Bloodborne.
I got to the ruins and levelled up, now running around trying to level up some more.
How do I even craft here?
Mimic Tear nerfed. Great. I was on my way to get that. I was already in the place where you can get it, which I was going to do when I jumped on later. Oh well, I'm sure it will still be worth it.
The erdtree great shield? That thing is nuts. Little sad they nerfed barricade shield, since str/faith was probably going to be my next build with that.
It's 100% still worth it. The nerf really isnt that bad, they just nerfed its damage a bit but it still tanks like a champ. Just don't expect to be able to afk a boss anymore.
Moonveil is nothing compared to shield + poking. It's absurd the damage the large rapiers can do for the speed and the way poise and shields mean you can play with virtually no risk. That's top tier at the moment.
It'll all get balanced out eventually I guess. Personally I advocate for trying to be original but it's hard because of the PvP system, it doesn't encourage it.
PvP is way worse than DS3 at the moment but that game had to have tweaks as well. Probably not as many as this needs though.
It'll all get balanced out eventually I guess. Personally I advocate for trying to be original but it's hard because of the PvP system, it doesn't encourage it.
PvP is way worse than DS3 at the moment but that game had to have tweaks as well. Probably not as many as this needs though.
Don't worry about dying. You won't lose any items you've picked up, only runes. Just remember to level up at a site of grace when you have enough and it's no biggie.
To equip a weapon just go into equipment and select one. You can equip 2 on each hand and then cycle through them with left and right on the d-pad in game. I have a shield and finger seal on my left hand and 2 different swords on my right.
The thing that I didn't understand was the pouch. On PS you need to hold down the triangle to bring it up then use the d-pad to select something.
As for what to do, like someone said, the sites of grace point you in the general way for the story but just explore the first area a bit and try and find some map fragments. They're located at these tower things that I think are highlighted on the map. First one is outside the camp on the run up to stormveil castle. The site of grace there is where you should rest early doors to get your horse as well.
Can confirm, Rivers of Blood is now slightly bonkers.
Horizon is completely different. I think it’s better than this personally but can understand why others wouldn’t agree. People say this game isn’t simple but at its core all there actually is to do is fight. From misses a trick by not incorporating interesting missions and story.
Thanks. I've been knocking those down previously but didn't know what they were for.
They have to be careful not to alienate the existing fanbase, that's the problem. Most of the fans of the series don't want transparent storylines because there are 100 other games that can do that. The obtuse nature is a selling point. Once they go down the road of cut scenes and in depth storylines and being told to go to X place to complete a side quest you are starting to lose the feel of the games IMO.
I think they'd rather see attention given to technical matters like the awful netcode that's actually got worse over time.
Yeh I do understand that but no games would bring together story and combat into such a cohesive package. At the moment all they really have is a tech demo for good combat, interesting enemies and strong RPG elements. Now clearly that can still be a fun game in its own right, but I can’t help feeling they just lack something which makes me personally struggle to keep playing. Will see. I haven’t completed both and currently I’m enjoying Elden ring but haven’t been able to play this recently much.
Don't be afraid to use a guide. I enjoy going into these games blind but there comes a point where you just have to check them.
To equip a weapon, start, equipment, and then you'll see the writing at the top "Right hand armament 1, Right hand armament 2, Right hand armament 3" click on these boxes and it'll take you to your inventory where you can equip weapons. You can cycle between which ones you're holding with the d-pad.
I've probably not explained that very well. There'll be a couple youtube videos which can make things easier at the start.
I think you're both right. I like the show don't tell approach to storytelling that the souls game employ, and piecing together the story while playing through environment and items is something I'm really onboard with. Having said that, due to the nature of the open world I think they could have done more with this aspect. The world is beautifully realised and I would have liked them to commit a little more to the narrative, even if they retained the opaque nature.
I just spent an hour in Gatefront Ruins basically going from grace to kill the same enemies, collect runes, die in a place close to grace so I can pick them up immediately so I levelled up to 15. It seems a little more manageable now. I have zero idea where to go but I guess I will just keep running around like a nutter.
Still no idea how to craft.
Still no idea how to craft.
I think what they could look at is some of the NPCs and how we interact with them. Maybe flesh them out, and make them a little more easy to deal with without having to consult a guide. I think the open world format has really emphasised that weakness of the game in that it is so easy to miss them. It always has been but in Elden Ring the story arcs become very broken up, if they even get found.
Personally I really, really dislike the use of guides in a first playthrough because it completely ruins the immersion and I feel like what is the point in me playing it according to somebody else's experience. But it is not great to feel you're simply missing stuff so clearly there is some conflicting design there.
Seems I need crafting kit that the weird guy at the start had. Had no idea. Will go back there.
Annoyed to be working from the office today because commuting will be cutting into Elden Ring time
Nice feature added that tracks where some NPCs are on the map
I mean, you can have the opinion that the game isn't for you or that you like another game better, but this is an extremely reductive way of describing what is one of the best open-world games that has been released in recent memory
He is way over simplifying the game but seriously how fecking difficult would it be for them to put in some sort of notebook or quest guide? Even a really basic one. I shouldn’t have to play it with a document open on my other screen to type in every interaction I’ve had and where they tell me to go ffs
I got it late last night. Woke up this morning with an hour to play before work. Patch installed when I switched on. Mimic tear was a bit crap when I tried it even at +5. Now I know why
He is way over simplifying the game but seriously how fecking difficult would it be for them to put in some sort of notebook or quest guide? Even a really basic one. I shouldn’t have to play it with a document open on my other screen to type in every interaction I’ve had and where they tell me to go ffs
You can now put a little named marker on the map when you meet an NPC. What more do you want!
In all seriousness, there's always little quality of life improvements they can do, I would agree. Like all From games, this ain't perfect and I would never say it is. It's the reductive comment I had a problem with.
And yeah, I also have a note document open on my computer keeping track of all the quests I got going on! I must admit, it's almost part of the fun.
Typical. I've been reading how awesome this thing is, and I finally unlocked the area where you get it last night, and now they do this!
Ah well. Someone else on here said it was still worth getting. So I'll still get it later.
Each to their own. It’s a great game but when you go open world you need to do a bit of balancing that they didn’t need to with the more linear aspect of the other games. The fact that you can go 20 hours between quest lines in the game means it’s so easy to just completely forget about a character or what not or what you were doing. Also characters just randomly move anyway so the markers don’t exactly help much.
horizon is a shitty example cause it drip feeds you everything and blocks loads off until you unlock gear which an open world shouldn’t do, and also, the story is a bit dull.
something like The Witcher 3 though, imagine that with the combat of a Souls game, sweet baby Jesus
Each to their own. It’s a great game but when you go open world you need to do a bit of balancing that they didn’t need to with the more linear aspect of the other games. The fact that you can go 20 hours between quest lines in the game means it’s so easy to just completely forget about a character or what not or what you were doing. Also characters just randomly move anyway so the markers don’t exactly help much.
horizon is a shitty example cause it drip feeds you everything and blocks loads off until you unlock gear which an open world shouldn’t do, and also, the story is a bit dull.
something like The Witcher 3 though, imagine that with the combat of a Souls game, sweet baby Jesus
I really dislike the Witcher so couldn't think of anything worse!
Although saying that, one of the worst aspects of that game is the combat. So perhaps having the combat of the From games would elevate that game to a masterpiece. But there again, there's a lot of other stuff I dislike about it. So maybe not!
But yeah, I wouldn't be against some quality go life improvements being implemented into Elden Ring. Obviously, there's a balance to be had, because I don't want it turning into every other open-world game that exists. That's what makes this one so special, IMO.