Weren't in a strong negotiation position? He had a release clause ffs and he could've had a full pre season with us and everything.
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Weren't in a strong negotiation position? He had a release clause ffs and he could've had a full pre season with us and everything.
I'm not sure how you can be so certain of that, but it helps reinforce your anger so I bet that helps.
Had we not payed the extra few million when we realised it was Fellaini or nothing then we'd have people complaining about that!
Thought so.
Maybe this is what Moyes mean't when he said it's not been easy trying to sign players...
Glazer/Ed would never screw up a deal just so they could cap the spending, they know that they need to spend money, if they fail they to do so then it will effect us in pitch and that can't happen if they want to carry signing mega sponsorship deals.
No, but it would explain agreeing a price in principle, only to turn up and ask for money off hoping the brinksmanship would force a reduced price. Its a classic negotiating tactic used by bankers across the world.
Maybe its Ed Wood who is making it hard to sign players .... I really hope we dont have a power battle going on between our two most important members of staff, last thing we need after SAF is a coup for power at the top of the club.
Maybe, but that particular "skill" doesn't appear to be transferable to the world of football, and certainly not in today's market. The cnut may have been a big noise at JP Morgan and he might be good at hooking sponsors, but he's no football man, that's for sure.
On the face of it, it seems we overpaid for Fellaini but it depends on the details of the deal - a release clause would entail stumping up £24m upfront, if you agree to pay over a few years then you will be happy to pay a bit more
If we have paid £27.5m upfront then yes we fecked up!
If we have paid £27.5m upfront then yes we fecked up!
and people are worried that FFP would mean United would buy all the players while every other club rots. Not while a Glazer is still in charge will we spend more than the minimum required- unless there is a specific reason to.If they didn't want to splash out they wouldn't have travelled to Spain, I am hoping the club haven't entered talks for a player they had no intention of signing as its unfair on the selling club and the player.
I'm not defending these tactics at all!
I really hope our club is not heading in this direction because it like the banker wankers do business in the city. But I suspect it might be, given Ed Wood's background.
Even if you say that once it became obvious that those tragets were not attainable, we should have moved on and attained fellaini earlier. The transfer window has been a fiasco and dont know why others are trying to paint it otherwise. Our manager acknowledged that the midfield needed some new blood in it, our manager is known to be a workaholic and was informed well in advance that he was taking over at united. The manager also comes from the same league so its not like he would require a lot of information about united and their tactics,etc. Why then did we sign our only major signing a few hours before the deadline, while overpaying for him in the process. How does this represent good,sensible business is beyond me.
I'll make the daring prediction that we're not going to spend big money on anybody before the end of the window.
Foolish, foolish, Will.We spent £27.5m on Marouane Fellaini!
Earlier but after the end of July would've still meant a higher price for him.
It's has been a bit of a shambles (mainly the Herrera issue) but it's also being blown out of proportion.
That went well.
Very good point. We always like to do deals based on appearances and success.
What a fecking moron. Get rid of him
Football exists in its own universe as we all know well. United doesn't belong to that group ( I forget the name) that brings together clubs, agents, and players in some sort of transfer networking system. We have a banker, bean-counter, call him what you will, who is finding out just how ruthless and cutthroat the world of football transfers can be. Moyes is in the same boat as I can't recall him ever being involved in a major transfer during his time at Everton, bar perhaps Rooney's where he got a taste of how nasty things can get.
Its a shame the greatest club in the world could only sign a player on the final day of the transfer. We are now following in the footsteps of Arsenal.
This Fellaini deal should have been wrapped up as soon as Moyes joined. Now we over paid by 4 mil. Woodward is an absolute cnut and has made Utd a laughingstock.
Have we all been again mislead about Harrera since Woddy has done the same with Cesc, Ozil, Thiago, Modric etc?
Woodward is a cnut!
This Fellaini deal should have been wrapped up as soon as Moyes joined. Now we over paid by 4 mil. Woodward is an absolute cnut and has made Utd a laughingstock.
Have we all been again mislead about Harrera since Woddy has done the same with Cesc, Ozil, Thiago, Modric etc?
Woodward is a cnut!
Is he doing exactly what the Glazers want?
No one can be this shit on purpose and have a top job, surely?
No one can be this shit on purpose and have a top job, surely?
United, and most English clubs, don't pay transfer fees over time the way Spanish teams do. It's more common to have add-ons that make up a smaller part of the fee, but United certainly aren't paying £9m a year over 3 years to get to the fee.
I am pretty appalled with how we have done things this ssummer but I'm not putting it all on Woodward. Surely a club our size has more than the one newbie working on transfers and a set strategy in place from the top. My issue is with how we have publicly persisted with Fabregas without bothering to put other deals in place. This left us trying allsorts on deadline day and not reaching a deal for Herrera. Really amateurish. I hope questions are being asked and lessons are learnt for January and beyond.
With regards to Fellaini, there must have been more to it. Either we didn't want to pay a large fee in full so couldn't go with the release clauses, or in Fellaini's case Moyes was not allowed to use the release clause by agreement when he left the club.
With regards to Fellaini, there must have been more to it. Either we didn't want to pay a large fee in full so couldn't go with the release clauses, or in Fellaini's case Moyes was not allowed to use the release clause by agreement when he left the club.
Woody adds a new meaning to 'penny-wise, pound foolish' with this Felliani deal.
United almost always don't pay in full, whether it be add ons or whatever else. That's Roods point.
If you pay a release clause you have to lump it on. This is possibly why we couldn't agree Herrera and waited on Fellaini. It would suggest we are operating under constraints mind.
I have a feeling if you would sit him in a poker game with Levy and give each GBP 10k Woody would have lost everything but his underpants within 10 minutes.
United almost certainly paid it all up front though. Everton had all the leverage and we needed the signing. Why would they accept add-ons when they knew they could get it in full now? As the window went on, and we failed to sign anyone else, Everton's hand got stronger and stronger.
Why have we almost certainly paid it all upfront? Very much doubt it. Providing they got enough for their business the better deal overall is the more expensive one.
Fixed.
Of course they do - it is absolutely standard practise. That is why release clause deals are rare because you have to pay it all upfront.
In fact Dave Whelan was on TV earlier today saying that Everton wanted to pay for McCarthy over 4 years and that was unacceptable - if we were paying for Fellaini upfront then why do Everton need to pay over 4 years?
Probably not very productive of me, but:
Sack Woodward!
Sack Woodward!
Will his name fit on the fergie out banner?
I am actually impressed by Woodward's level of incompetence. Surely he's doing it on purpose and having a laugh. If someone told you a week ago today's events, in a million years you would not believe it.
I'd have asked for the link to the RAWK thread where it was all devised, possibly in the form of a poem.
WOODWARD!!!
I imagine he's as annoyed as anyone at how this summer has gone, after all it's his team and his reputation as the manager that will suffer for our lack of activity and poor dealings. Doubt he'll express it publicly mind..
From RAWK:
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I know Ed Woodward v well and he will do a great job..ironically he is a Liverpool fan
Reading through some of the early posts in this thread, this would actually explain a lot.
At the end of the day, I guess all we can say is his performance is exactly what you would expect of an investment banker tasked with being the chief executive of one of the top football clubs in the world with little to no experience in player acquisition.
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