Or not doing his job in this case.
Edward Woodward
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No I'm not his boss but I am reviewing his performance and he's done shit.
It's clear to me our manager wanted a few signings, particularly midfielders and he's not been backed by Woodward who is in charge of signing players. The way we've conducted business, leaving everything until the last second and ending up having to pay more, has been amateurish. Missing out on players by not paying the expected fees isn't a great way to back your manager.
If you think he's done well, you're in the minority. I expect him to get lambasted by fans and the media.
Are we sure? I wouldn't rule anything out.
Moyes' team selection vs Liverpool was shit, but Woodward deserves every criticism coming his way.
Exactly. Man in 'doing his job and people don't like it' shocker. Not arsed either way who what or how well he has done. He's being paid by the club to do his job and if he's done it and they're happy no amount of whinging from this embarrassing thread will change that.
Anyway - carry on the moaning.
Anyway - carry on the moaning.
The word on the Herrera deal is that said we would meet the buyout clause, then sent some lawyers over to La Liga and tried to get them to lower the amount. If this is true, its a very low move. Very unprofessional. If its true, this man must go. The Glazers must also accept some responsibility.
What could possibly be a reasonable explanation for spending 4 million pounds more for Fellaini then what we could have done anytime before August, hassle free?That's not a small amount of money by any means. Even right at the start, we let the Thiago stuff run like crazy and make it seem like we'll sign him only for nothing to happen. The Fabregas stuff was pointless and shouldn't have been made public like it was. David Gill and Sir Alex would really never have let this happened, or anything to this extent. You simply can't do what this inept feck has done this summer at a club like United and get away with it.
Is it more likely that we would overpay unnecessarily or that there's something about that release clause we don't know about? There could have been any number of conditions attached to that release clause; we might have had to pay it all up front, we might have had to include a sell on clause. It seems more likely to me that we don't have the full picture.
Jesus wept.
He paid £27.5m for a player with a £23m release clause.
Unless figures are being misreported or it wasn't him responsible, he pretty much has to be sacked.
Find me a job where you can flush £4m of your employers money down the toilet when they trust you to look after it, and not find yourself unemployed as a result. You would be lucky in some cases to walk away wth your freedom/life.
So United can't pay that much up front??? We insisted Real paid Ronaldo's fee all upfront and you think it's possible that we would stall over something vaguely similar fpr Fellaini??? Also, the concept of a sell-on clause, while possible, is frankly laughable.
This cnut must be a bitter. It's the only possible explanation.
It's rawkish to express a view that it's ridiculous that our CEO decided to spend £4m extra on Fellaini for no logical reason.In the nicest way possible nobody really knows except the club and the execs. If he's done wrong the club will deal with it.
Fergie signed (veto'd/signed) some dross over the years amounting to probably more than that. Shit happens.
I just find it an odd thing for fans being fed by the media with no actual idea what goes on to get wound up about.
Anyway, I am out - like I said. Good place for you all to have a collective moan and I am selfish in trying to obstruct that. Carry on.
I still can't believe after all the supposed hard-balling with Fabregas and Herrera that we've gone and spent almost £30m in whatever form on Fellaini. I mean, I'm obviously glad we've got some sort of cover for Carrick, but it really cannot be put into words just what a massive a bunch of retards we must've had at the helm this summer. Assuming the reporting has been accurate, of course.
Ed is one of those people who really isnt suited to football management.
I said it was possible. I just find it hilarious that anyone would contemplate paying over £27.5m in the future for Fellaini.
After today, I don't have a single doubt that 'top reds' are worse than transfer muppets who want us to sign a hundred players for each season.
If someone still think that the club today (and in the entire summer) did a good job than I am speechless. I guess that even if we get relegated, the top reds will say that we are doing a wonderful job.
And your last line is spot on.
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That's not how a sell on clause has to work. It can be a % of the sale price as opposed to a % of the profit.
That's not how a sell on clause has to work. It can be a % of the sale price as opposed to a % of the profit.
Really? So why did Moyes want two CMs. We wanted both.
Our plan was to bid less that the release clause. Tell Everton nobody valued him at that price, so go lower. That's worked out great.
Agreed. And if that was requested by Everton, I would politely point out the amount we are going to pay and to suggest to Kenwright to go feck himself on a West End stage.
Woodward's former employer, JP Morgan, didn't mind too much when Jamie Dimon watched 6-10 billion go down the drain. I guess it's part of the corporate culture that Woodward thinks will be ok at United.
It's inexcusable to have overpaid when we were always after him. He thought he could get him cheaper than the clause, most likely because he's a moron, and failed miserably. Once the release clause ended, the power goes into Everton's hands more and more until deadline day when they know United need to sign him and can drive up the price. His handling of Fabregas was also amateurish. Offering £25m for one of the top midfielders in the world after the team had just sold their back-up? How does he think that works? He and Moyes come out with the same "club will spend big if necessary" line from every summer and then lowball everything only to overspend. The Herrera deal could have been completed with that £4.5m... Hell, if we'd started negotiations two weeks ago for Herrera, we could have gotten the deal done with time to spare instead of waiting to the last hour.
If the figures are accurate he or whoever was responsible should be sacked, it's as simple as...No football club on earth can afford to be making cock ups like that. Very few businesses can...and even those that can would stll sack someone for being that stupid. Only the banks wouldn't, and the result of that was the financial destruction of the entire world.
We've overpaid on players with Fergie, but never, to my knowledge, when we could have got them for £4m+ less using a legally binding agreement.
The Herrera thing is a lot more hearsay so I'm reserved on that for now, but if what has gone on there is what's being reported then a) the Fabregas bid was never a genuine one...you don't offer £40m for one player then suddenly can't afford £10m less for his direct alternative, and b) jesus fecking christ.
You can't argue with this. He needs to be sacked.
I'm a bit worried how this will reflect on Moyes now. The next time he speaks to the press, he's going to be asked questions about the transfers and Woodward's name is going to pop up and I'm guessing Moyes is going to defend him which will not go down well with a lot of fans.
Top reds have absolutely always been much worse, in my opinion anyway.
You're dreaming if you think he's going anywhere.
It would've been the wrong move for us to sign him earlier if we were still hoping for a Fabregas or Modric to come in, it would be a waste of money and unfair on Fellaini because he would've been bought only to have been replaced before he even kicks a ball. When the other midfield targets fell through, we had to pay more than we initially would've for Fellaini. Not ideal but not catastrophic or difficult to understand by any stretch of the imagination, yet I'm not surprised that the usual suspects are having a good old moan and reverting to hyperbole.
The only thing it can make this day worse is if Fellaini is on 100-150k/week.
Fergie would have ripped him a new one. What an incompetent fool.
Oh god, I hadn't even thought about the wages.
He won't get fired but there will be some sort of reshuffle with the staff, that's if he's the one at fault.
What you fail to understand is that Felaini was never an alternative for Thiago/ Fabregas/Modric. He was meant to be back up for Carrick. We could have him June the 2nd for 4 mil less than we end up paying. Great deal.
Woodward has an esteemed and presitigious elite banking bankground, the sort where you get financially rewarded for fecking other people over.
In the first page editorial of this seasons Red Issue (unofficial fans magazine), they stated that they thought Woodward was a 'Glazer appointment' and so the owners now finally have their own chosen henchmen at every key position within the club.
This transfer window, especially the last minute Herrera debacle, it all makes more sense to me if I think about it with this perspective. Just who do we have in charge at the club right now and with what agenda?!
In the first page editorial of this seasons Red Issue (unofficial fans magazine), they stated that they thought Woodward was a 'Glazer appointment' and so the owners now finally have their own chosen henchmen at every key position within the club.
This transfer window, especially the last minute Herrera debacle, it all makes more sense to me if I think about it with this perspective. Just who do we have in charge at the club right now and with what agenda?!
Isn't Fergie on the board now? I can imagine Moyes may have a word about how Ed's gone about the transfers and how it's harmed the club's standing. The board will surely consider moving him away from football negotiations.
Woodward's first season and he's managed to sign a player the manager wanted, we overpaid but we weren't in a strong negotiation position. 'Tis a learning curve for Woodward and Moyes.
Neither one of us is privy to that information, so let's not speculate. I'm pretty sure we made our last bid for Fabregas after the end of July though...
I'll speculate that Woodward is an odious twat.
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