He looks like a virgin.
Edward Woodward
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This is Woody we're talking about. There's no chance his flight has landed yet.
I bet he's gone next summer, I can't see this guy in the job for a long period at all. We need players, we have been more public than ever in this yet it's been the most bizarre summer ever. 25m for Fabregas.....28m for both Fellaini and Baines, is this guy for real? Looking in from the outside the guy seems fecking clueless, the fact he also looks like a rapist doesn't help his cause either.
We put a bid in for Baines about 7 weeks ago, it's obvious Moyes said he wanted him. Why did it take another 6 weeks to re-bid? not to mention its the same fee that was rejected first time. I actually think most of the summer has been a show and he planned on spending little to nothing all along.
We put a bid in for Baines about 7 weeks ago, it's obvious Moyes said he wanted him. Why did it take another 6 weeks to re-bid? not to mention its the same fee that was rejected first time. I actually think most of the summer has been a show and he planned on spending little to nothing all along.
Tbf he looks like a right wanker
One summer and people are looking for this guys head
One summer and people are looking for this guys head
One summer is all we have to strengthen the obvious deficiencies in our squad. Judging from our bidding habits it also seems he doesn't have the slightest clue, or is stuck in 2005.
One summer and people are looking for this guys head
Idiots.
The window hasn't ended and we can still easily end up with Fellaini and/or Baines. That would leave one Fabregas saga that people seem to think is a sackable offence despite the fact we don't know the full story. Moyes could also be partly responsible for not strengthening due to the fact he has so few targets.
One summer and people are looking for this guys head
Yeah, surely we should take his hands first?
There is something almost wooden about woody.
It hasn't been an impressive summer by anyone at United. Woodward hasn't handled the bidding and the transfer business side particularly well, but I don't think Moyes did a great job either at identifying targets. If the idea is/was to go for Fabregas, maybe Thiago and the only other option is Fellaini - for whom we don't bid until mid August - then it's not particularly clever. We should have had more options.
Both parties seem to have plenty to learn. I just hope this summer takes them a long enough way.
Both parties seem to have plenty to learn. I just hope this summer takes them a long enough way.
If Woodward's job is to get the deals done for the best price possible then him playing the long game could pay off on deadline day. I get the logic of it.
However, for the good of the team it's better to get transfers done earlier. So who's responsible for ensuring that happens? Is it Woodward, Moyes, the board of directors?
Hopefully after this window they all discuss together and conclude that in the future it would be beneficial to take a different approach.
However, for the good of the team it's better to get transfers done earlier. So who's responsible for ensuring that happens? Is it Woodward, Moyes, the board of directors?
Hopefully after this window they all discuss together and conclude that in the future it would be beneficial to take a different approach.
All this 'He looks like a rapist' shit is irrellevant, classless and uncalled for.
its an even worse form of the type of nonsense in here i tried to point out weeks ago. (which you replied to in a pretty classless and uncalled for way)..but i agree with you. shocking stuff really. some people here support the wrong team
How is signing players on deadline day the for the best price possible? The selling club holds all the cards as they'll know we'll be desperate enough to overpay or end up missing out on the players.
Because the selling club often is holding out for the best price just the same as the buying club is. Often the selling club wants to sell as they want to cash in on a want-away player whilst his value is at a peak.
I doubt they'll settle when it comes to their two most important players, one of which is their captain.
Sorry to be pedantic - but every club settles every time they sell a player. I doubt any club has ever received the initial amount that they proposed when selling a player.*
*probably slightly hyperbolic, but you get the point.
Has he landed in Germany yet....somebody should tell him the Dortmund game finished last night!
And you missed the point of the post. Why the hell would Everton accept a lower bid that they think they deserve when it comes to selling their top 2 players when they've nobody in their team who could adequately replace them? Without the 2 of them, they'll be lucky to finish in the top 10.
Going by your logic, we should accept Chelsea's bid for Rooney now since he wants out and we should cash out now since it's unlikely his value will rise further and Chelsea might even lower the bid when the deadline nears. Ridiculous, no?
I hate the fecker !
Ruining the entire summer with his incompetence
Ruining the entire summer with his incompetence
Thank god he wasn't handling the Van Persie transfer last season.
I don't get why you're trying to make an argument out this.
To clarify my point, as I think you misunderstand: Everton would accept a lower offer on transfer deadline day than they would accept tomorrow.
That is just so blindingly obvious I can't quite fathom how you can disagree with it, unless you misunderstand my point.
I dunno Deco, the man's got a point. I saw one rapist before and I swear he looked just like him.
I'm not trying to make an argument, I'm just stating the flaw in your logic that Everton would accept a lower bid than they would like just because the transfer window is closing and they'll sell their 2 most important players without getting in adequate replacements. They're much better off with Baines and Fellaini in their team than without them and 30m+ in the bank with no opportunity to bring in players till January.
How so?
Maybe we are also moving to a continental football structure with a director of football bollocks. Clearly, Ed Wood has the final say in at least the transfer prices, and added to the commercial side of the club, it's a lot of work. I h ope we don't, but Spurs have Baldini and he's clearly dedicated to transfers making a lot of moves, not worrying about Apollo and DHL
I was drunk and you were talking down to people. I don't like that at the best of times, but I will apologise for the content of my response.
Getting Fellaini or Baines isn't that praise worthy tbh. Getting them for £28m might have been an achievement, but eventually signing them for the asking price isn't challenging. The players would love to join us, and we already have their former manager. Also, no other big club is seemingly interested.
As for Fábregas, I think it is pure hypothesis that we don't know what happened. Some are assuming some sub plot, I don't see why it isnt as simple as us being interested and being knocked back. It's only some deciding they want to believe we don't know the truth.
Fellaini and Baines look to be the only players Moyes wants at this stage and would represent a decent summer if we were to get them in and keep everyone else, which is still very possible. The idea that the limited view we have of the Fabregas saga or the summer as a whole is enough to determine the man shouldn't be in the job is ridiculous.
I've no doubt things definitely could've been handled better but people are going way over the top with their conclusions on Woodward.
My best guess is it went something like this: With no experience in the transfer market, but a belief that he was the hotshot new kid on the block who could do better than his predecessors, Woodward made a simple calculation, 'A tough negotiator like myself should be able to complete this deal at a price less than Barcelona paid two years ago. After all the item is two years older and hasn't been a great success.'
So he opened with a low bid, and waited several weeks to hike the offer to £30m, which was the kind of money he expected to pay. He was then surprisingly knocked back - no interest. What to do? After a while it probably became apparent, even to him, that a much higher offer was needed. But to bid £40m, say, would constitute an admission, particularly to his employers, that he didn't know what he was doing in the first place. Too embarrassing. Let it drop.
So United paid the price of having a clueless tyro in charge of transfers, and the lack of a strong, settled manager who could kick him up the backside and tell him to sort things out.
All of which could be completely wrong, of course.
So he opened with a low bid, and waited several weeks to hike the offer to £30m, which was the kind of money he expected to pay. He was then surprisingly knocked back - no interest. What to do? After a while it probably became apparent, even to him, that a much higher offer was needed. But to bid £40m, say, would constitute an admission, particularly to his employers, that he didn't know what he was doing in the first place. Too embarrassing. Let it drop.
So United paid the price of having a clueless tyro in charge of transfers, and the lack of a strong, settled manager who could kick him up the backside and tell him to sort things out.
All of which could be completely wrong, of course.
What does Woodward know about transfer prices? When he's going to another club with the intent of signing a new player, it's not like haggling for a knocked off car battery at the local market. Shouldn't he have some idea of the asking price first otherwise he ends up bidding against himself? I know this is a very simple analogy but for feck's sake, there was no chance on earth that a team like Barca would give any thought to selling a top international player for that kind of money. Another thing that puzzles me: wouldn't Fabregas's agent have some idea of what the club would ask for him? If that gen was available to Woodward and he low-balled the price anyway, that shows you he's way out of his league.
Do you think Chelsea thought we'd accept 20m for Rooney?
Let's put it this way: If Chelsea knew how much United would accept for Rooney then bid way under, they're stupid.
Teams do that all the time; in Fabregas' case we were probably testing the water until Cesc put an end to the speculation just like Rooney hasn't - if Rooney was to come out and say he's happy then Chelsea would likely end their pursuit but for some reason Woodward is getting special treatment.
The worst thing about him is that he makes Gill look good.
I always thought Gill was shite in the market.
I always thought Gill was shite in the market.
Woodward's only getting flak on here because he's working for United and if he was testing the waters, it was a bloody strange way of doing it. He didn't dip his toe in, he just took the plunge and got scalded.
Rooney had 'declared' he wanted to leave, and hence by default would have taken on the appearance of being 'for sale'.
With Fabregas, the money was always going to be the main factor to alter a seemingly settled situation. Rooney's situation appeared fractured and potentially untenable before Chelsea got involved.
Similarly, we bid £12m for RVP last summer. He had already declared his intent to leave. If not, we'd have been very stupid to bid £12m or even £24m for the matter if it was simply on the basis he had just had a great season and we wanted him in our team.
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