Barring the odd gossip column, I don't get the impression there were any proper links away from the club.
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Barring the odd gossip column, I don't get the impression there were any proper links away from the club.
He is waiting for deadline day.
Whilst you've expressed it in very strong terms, your sentiments are how I feel.
I said it earlier in the summer - the handover that Pep got at Bayern is ideally what Moyes would've got. Moyes squad is talented, but quite imbalanced and with a few chronic issues.
This is only wild speculation but I wonder are media outlets much less afraid of releasing information - speculative or otherwise - when it's not Fergie managing us? The press were always very wary of getting on his bad side.
I never said that we shouldn't worry, or that we shouldn't be concerned. For what it's worth (which is nothing), I'm also worried.
I just think that in this instance a few people have been too quick to write Woodward and/or Moyes off as idiots. It doesn't look great, for sure, but on balance it's more likely that this was a logical move that ended in failure (since I don't believe we'd employ someone incapable), as opposed to a clueless, flailing, beginning-to-end clusterfeck.
Opening bid, man - opening. Does Chelsea's opening bid for Rooney - which was never going to be accepted - make them look like rank amateurs?
There are some sides to the Fabregas business which are hard to understand, certainly - but we don't have the facts, do we? That will necessarily make it...you know, a bit unclear.
Yep, very possible. Mind you, Moyes having a free talking lunch with a bunch of them couldn't have helped.
No one forced Moyes to confirm Woody was negotiating for Fabregas. What makes it even more bizzare is his "I don't talk about other club's players" stance he had for years at Everton. I think it's safe to say the club would have handled the matter a lot differently if they could go back in time.
No, they probably won't.
But, this is the thing, as I see it: If there's no indication whatsoever that a world class player is available, meaning that the logical starting point is the old "every player has a price" assumption, which again means that said world class player - who is a local lad at that, the prodigal son recently returned - won't be gettable for anything less than silly money...if all this is the case, who on earth puts in a 25M bid for that player?
You simply don't, do you? Meaning that there were indications - meaning we did know something which the fans aren't privy to. That has to be the explanation, for my money.
I have it on good authority EdWood is preparing a bid for Modric, we want him 100% and will start the bidding at £4m
Rooney wants to leave + he's on a 2 year contract. Fabregas wants to remain at Barca and still have a fairly long contract with them. The situation is different
You can compare Rooney's situation with RVP not Fab
Not an idiot, but an inexperienced individual, who adopted standard negotiating methods - start low, play it long - in the non-standard context of football transfers. Someone, new to his job, who, perhaps, placed too high a priority on reassuring his bosses that he was a safe custodian of their money, and not enough on securing a desperately needed player, even if we had to pay a bit over the odds. After all, the Glazers understand money, but know little about football.
The idea that we bid low to unsettle Fabregas is tosh. He's a hometown boy who, just two years before, fought to secure a move back home. No way he was ever going to force his way out of Barcelona.
To get Fab we had to make Barca an offer they couldn't refuse. Fabregas might then have graciously consented to move on. Bids of £25m and £30m made no sense in that reality.
If we make a proper offer, it may still not be too late. But letting the business drag on until Fabregas is back at Barca, and has to make a public pledge of loyalty to the club, obviously doesn't help.
he's very very gay...
35 pages on this guy? I am assuming that the majority of it is moaning about his lack of suitability for the job, despite the fact that no one has a clue as to what he has actually been doing.
Yes, well - that's what it looks like. But if everything is exactly what it looks like it makes no sense whatsoever that we're in for this player. And we are. So I conclude that everything is not what it seems, and that Fabregas is (or at least was, when we went in for him) a plausible target.
If Maureen had taken United's statements at face value, he wouldn't have bothered to put in a bid - because Rooney is not for sale, that's the official line.
that this thread is still open and generating so much talk is a further discredit during this forums summer of shame. the lack of quality and meaningful discussion on the football side of things has reached absolutely staggering levels but to have about 30 pages discussing how a man is a performing in a role that most of you haven't the slightest idea it entails is incredible.
Idiots everywhere. go on reply with something predictably unfunny or self righteous, knowing you've been talking shite about things you don't understand. As if we were in some sort of dreamland with Gill who many people disliked and botched about our dealings for the last 5 years. reactionary idiots.
Idiots everywhere. go on reply with something predictably unfunny or self righteous, knowing you've been talking shite about things you don't understand. As if we were in some sort of dreamland with Gill who many people disliked and botched about our dealings for the last 5 years. reactionary idiots.
No matter if it's Gill, or Woody... Fabregas would still stay in his home club and Thiago would be still convinced by his father in football, Pep.
feck right off you bellend. So we are not allowed to question what's going on in the club we fund because we've never been at director level in a major business? It's you who has gone all self righteous here, and making yourself look a cnut in the process. We are entitled to whatever views we want. And when our club is about to go into a new season with a weaker squad than last season,and a lesser manager, despite promises of untold millions and transfers that have not materialised, then we are allowed to be concerned. So pull your head out if your arse you condescending pretentious prick.
Why not judge him (and Moyes) at the end of the window.
Somebody is touchy.
proved me correct better than anything I could have come up with. the underlined bit of course being the self righteousness I predicted and the rest being the substandard quality of contributions. seriously is there no moderation?On an actual sensible note, which may seem like a different language to you, posters SHOULD discuss the person in this role. That is, if they have a clue whats actually going on and it isn't just a hissy fit because we haven't spent 60 million. Or tracking his bloody flight home. there was no such hyperactive analysis of gill and his movements and analysing his previous career, ts flavour of the month because so many seem intent on finding something to be wrong at the core of the club before a ball is kicked, primarily because a big transfer didn't go our way and some results in games generally used for fitness. I also laugh at your "promises of untold millions" that is genuinely a cringe worthy line assuming you are an adult. If anything I mentioned makes you think I was having a go at anything you specifically said in this thread, then I probably was. If you contributed sensible posts, from a different planet to that drivel I quoted, I probably wasn't. Now go have a little breather.
I agree with your call for calm, but surely no man should be judged after two months in a job of this scale. if you mean judge the performance in this years window then apologies.
The latter. Judging his purchases (or lack of) with 3 weeks of the window remaining doesn't make any sense to me.
Smacks of a lack of patience.
I had a nap and had some clarity -- all this lack of transfer activities and the worst pre-season results was all part of a grand scheme thats being playing out by Woodie and Moyes.
They are trying to give the impression that we are weaker & confused to the competition; and setting low expectations for the supporters... only to march onto to the championship come March.
Set low expectations only to over-achieve.
Oh so clever of them.
They are trying to give the impression that we are weaker & confused to the competition; and setting low expectations for the supporters... only to march onto to the championship come March.
Set low expectations only to over-achieve.
Oh so clever of them.
Rooney didn't come out and pledged his loyalty to us didn't he? And with just 2 years contract left the ball is in his court. Things are much more different for the fab guy. He doesn't want to come (he said so himself), Barca doesn't want to sell and they are not forced to sell as the guy has a fairly long contract with them.
It's all got strangely quiet on the transfer front for us. We haven't heard from this fellow for awhile too. Hopefully things are happening quietly behind the scenes.
Expect everything, even nothing at times but in the end, it may be always something.
Im 100% sure we will sign players this summer but If we can't get the quality that Moyes thinks will improve us. I'd be happier to go with what we have. Currently we have lost Scholes (won't impact us) we have bought 2 young lads Zaha and right back plus AJ is looking very promising. If we lose Rooney so be it Danny and Hernandez will get more game time and Kagawa will play more in his preferred position we have an embarrassment of riches. Yes midfield needs added to but we are not falling apart. Plus expect even more this year from DDG Rafa Smalling Jones Cleverley Wellbeck 6 of the most promising youngsters in the premiership! Why people are trying to judge the manager and the CEO now is absurd imho!
And Galatasary today.
He's alive!
Thats one impressive forehead
My God, everyone there looks wrong. It's like a still from Star Trek.
He closes the transfer war chest
And says that we gave it our best
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And says that we gave it our best
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He looks like a glorified taxi driver.
I blame the board for the lack of transfer activity. If you look at City, they learnt their lessons last season and bought very early, with the players travelling on their pre-season tour.
It's tough for United to conduct anything early when Moyes and Woodie being in their respective positions only since July.
Should not have happened.
It's tough for United to conduct anything early when Moyes and Woodie being in their respective positions only since July.
Should not have happened.
It's not ideal, but then how could losing the greatest manager of all time be ideal - not least when he stepped down suddenly? What else could we do, realistically? Have Gill go out and buy a couple of players before he officially resigned? It would hardly have been feasible unless he'd had a good chance to discuss matters thoroughly with Moyes, who obviously needed time to assess the squad in its entirety before deciding on what - and who - he would like to add.
I can see this happening to him during every transfer meeting/negotiations he has with other clubs
Fabregas didn't come out and pledge his loyalty until very recently. We had been in for him for weeks - launching several bids for him - before he did that. There has been plenty to suggest that he wasn't sure of his future at the club, which is one of the possible reasons behind us being in for him.
It's a bit besides the point: The reason I mentioned Rooney in the first place was to suggest that an opening bid is just that: You have to start somewhere and plenty of times you start so low that you know full well the seller isn't going to bite. It doesn't make the bid pointless (it serves a purpose, as a starting point), nor does it indicate the buyer is an amateur. That was the whole point of dragging Rooney into it.
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