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Gill wouldn't have been so public with it. Expectations would have been managed better.

You have an entire new team in place .. which is stupid to start with. You set high expectations like some rookie manager then you fail to achieve the mentioned targets/goals, it can only set the tone for the rest of then year.

Its an OG situation.

Not sure what you mean by that. Moyes has brought in some staff of his own - which is to expected. It rarely goes down differently in football. And then there's Woodward taking over for Gill, a decision made months before Fergie announced his retirement.

Perhaps Gill knew about Fergie's plans earlier than most (as you suggested in the other thread), that's possible - and perhaps the board could've persuaded him to take another year, to smoothen things further. But it's hardly criminal - Gill and Fergie are both board members and the new people have all been approved by the old, not to say hand picked by them. I really don't see anything very wrong with the transition thus far. The transfer business is what it is - the window hasn't closed and it's far too early to pass judgment on Woodward in that respect.
 
I find the judgement on the executive staff a bit off the mark. Irrespective of who we buy, our strength over the years has always been the manager. Its Moyes' ability to adapt to United and inspire the players that will make our break our season imo - even if we buy Ronaldo. Motivating the parts to play like a whole is up to the Manager.
 
The way we conducted our transfer strategy this year had been naive at best. We went for a Barcelona homegrown talent, at a club that is much more attractive than ours and offering them two bids which does not reflect the true worth of a world class midfielder at his prime. To put things in the right concept it would have been like Dortmund had placed a 20m bid on Scholes the day we signed JSV. We would have laughed at it.

I wonder if such blunder was made due to lack of experience from Woody side or else it was a PR exercise to show that United can still spend big on the market and will now have to settle for second best only because other clubs dont want to sell.
 
I think that the weirdest thing about the Fabregas bid isn't that we were in for him, its that the bid came days after they sold Thiago to Bayern. They might have had something to consider if it was before Thiago left.
 
I think that the weirdest thing about the Fabregas bid isn't that we were in for him, its that the bid came days after they sold Thiago to Bayern. They might have had something to consider if it was before Thiago left.

Who knows how long we were talking and what the situation was? He may have been second choice. We were linked to him and Thiago at the same time so we probably did speak to someone at least before it all kicked off.
 
Who knows how long we were talking and what the situation was? He may have been second choice. We were linked to him and Thiago at the same time so we probably did speak to someone at least before it all kicked off.

Yeah, it's hard to know how much (if at all) we were in for Thiago, when him and his Dad totally contradicted each other.
 
I think what's going to be annoying, aside from not signing Fab, is as soon as we hit any road block in the season or a poor patch, all we're gonna here is about Fabregas and how we didn't get him etc. In terms of the bidding, it is questionable why they made it public but then maybe they had good reason to think it was the best approach and things just didn't quite go to plan. It happens, I don't think Fabregas was a completely off the table transfer though, he's getting games but he isn't playing in his favoured position and when it comes to their best XI its questionable whether he'll be in it. However we might have been a bit naive in what we've been bidding but then you could say the same about Chelsea with Rooney.
 
The way we conducted our transfer strategy this year had been naive at best. We went for a Barcelona homegrown talent, at a club that is much more attractive than ours and offering them two bids which does not reflect the true worth of a world class midfielder at his prime. To put things in the right concept it would have been like Dortmund had placed a 20m bid on Scholes the day we signed JSV. We would have laughed at it.

I wonder if such blunder was made due to lack of experience from Woody side or else it was a PR exercise to show that United can still spend big on the market and will now have to settle for second best only because other clubs dont want to sell.


You need to look up "right concept" again.
 
Yeah, it's hard to know how much (if at all) we were in for Thiago, when him and his Dad totally contradicted each other.
As players and agents often do.

agent said we had talks. He said HE didn't have talks with us, of course he didn't, without barcas permission he wouldn't have been allowed to. That is what agents are for, they know start player wants, tans can't talk to agents to find out what player wants without breaking rules by talking to player.
Always the same when a player moves to a club, he says he never talked to any other club (although his agent obv did) thus endearing himself to new club/fans
 
Ed Woodward's tough summer in charge of Manchester United

The new man at the top at Old Trafford is struggling to adapt to the rough and tumble of the transfer market

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Guillermo Varela is Manchester United's only signing of the summer. Photograph: Daniel


Manchester United's vice-chairman, Ed Woodward, has proved himself adept at making major signings during his eight years at Old Trafford. From Mister Potato to Kansai Paint, the commercial strategy he devised has helped turn the world a shade of red. Perhaps more than any other individual bar Sir Alex Ferguson, the once reviled Glazers owe him a debt of gratitude for ensuring the wheels did not fall off their risky, highly leveraged wagon.
However, the 40-year-old, who came to football from investment banking, risks seeing his hard-won reputation as a tough negotiator and commercially savvy operator turn to dust in the space of a few short months having taken over from the former chief executive David Gill to assume responsibility for the football side of the club. The nadir came in mid-July when Woodward cancelled a scheduled media appearance and took a plane back from Australia, where United were playing the latest leg of an extended world tour designed to help keep the commercial wheels turning, to conduct some "major transfer business" only for nothing to transpire.
That was closely followed by the Cesc Fábregas press conference in which the midfielder stated he never had any intention of leaving the Camp Nou, giving the distinct impression that United had been strung along and encouraged to lodge two bids for a player who used their interest to improve his own position. Making the pursuit so public only exacerbated the embarrassment when it failed.
The transition from the calm opulence of United's well appointed Mayfair offices, the source of a network of sponsors that have been sliced and diced across the globe in a model that contributed to a 31% year-on-year increase in commercial revenues, to the rough and tumble of the top end of the transfer market has been a painful one.
The summer began with the names of Gareth Bale, Cristiano Ronaldo, Fábregas, Thiago Alcântara and Luka Modric ricocheting around the walls of Old Trafford. But when David Moyes's team run out at Wembley on Sunday to face Wigan Athletic in the Community Shield, the squad will be bolstered by just one new name: the 20-year-old Uruguayan full-back Guillermo Varela, who is expected to be sent out on loan this season. Even if Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines follow Moyes along the M62, it is unlikely to set many pulses racing among the global fanbase that has been so carefully cultivated in the Glazer era.
This was not just paper talk, of which there has been so much this summer given the unusual number of ongoing big name transfer sagas that threaten to make a mockery of Uefa president Michel Platini's drive to cool the game's overheated finances, but encouraged from within. The suggestion that the Moyes era would begin with a bang was actively encouraged by United, with the hierarchy making it known that they would not balk at paying £60m-plus for a player if they felt it was the right move.
After years of Ferguson having to operate within the financial constraints imposed by the Glazer business model, over the past two or three seasons the purse strings have been loosened as the commercial model pioneered by Woodward has paid off and the interest burden has eased.
But Moyes has gone from rubbing his hands at having the sort of leeway in the transfer market that he was forever denied at Goodison Park, where he had to scrimp and save to keep Everton competitive, to cutting an increasingly frustrated figure as target after target has slipped by. He is well aware that his squad is in need of reinforcement, particularly in midfield, and that he faces a battle to hang on to a disaffected Wayne Rooney.
Despite the hundreds of millions of euros and the reputations at stake, the thousands of words expended and the amount of heat generated, the exclusive end of the European transfer market is still something of a cottage industry. Personal relationships are all, bluffs and double bluffs abound and there is little honour among thieves. Driving the market are a handful of so-called "super-agents" who sometimes give the impression that they are moving players around Europe in a real-life game of Risk, plotting their careers one or two lucrative moves hence.
Those with longstanding experience of that world say Woodward is bound to have struggled without the close personal relationships with those handful of executives who run the biggest clubs in Europe that Gill had worked so hard to build up over the years. One well-connected insider, who estimated that players and their agents now held 98% of the power, said the No1 rule of the game was: "Know your enemy".
That Woodward's elevation to replace Gill happened at the same time as Moyes arrived from Everton to begin the uphill task of replacing Ferguson was initially hailed within Old Trafford as a positive move. It was felt the new broom would represent a break from the past and a fresh start, with the continued presence of their predecessors on the board providing a continuity that represented the best of both worlds.
Gill and Ferguson were not always successful in landing their targets, as the failed pursuit of Wesley Sneijder in 2010 showed. And Ferguson was not averse to the odd clanger, from Ralph Milne to Bébé. But the hits far outweighed the misses and their Robin van Persie coup last summer and the sheer volume of silverware they secured casts a long shadow for their successors.
Moyes might be forgiven for wondering whether it might not have made more sense to have a more staggered handover in the boardroom over the course of this crucial first summer. Those who know Woodward well say he is too canny and too smart not to work out how to navigate the European transfer market. But the fear of United fans, contemplating the resolution of the endless Rooney saga and noting the busy summer activity of their rivals across Europe, is that they will come too late to salvage a summer for an exposed new regime.
The final analysis will have to wait for the closure of the transfer window on 2 September and, beyond that, the final reckoning in May. But as has been endlessly pointed out, in the modern era Moyes is unlikely to be granted as much leeway as Ferguson was when he joined the club in 1986 to begin building his empire. Not least because satisfying the global commercial money-making machine Woodward has created, partly on the back of the club's rich history but partly on the promise they will continue to compete with the best of the best, requires continued success. From the factories of Chinese soft drinks giant Wahaha to the vineyards of Chilean wine producer Casillero del Diablo, the world is watching.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/09/edward-woodward-manchester-united
 
"The final analysis will have to wait for the closure of the transfer window.."
Really? Is that what we're judging the guy on?
 
We've got two rookies (neither Moyes nor Woody has got experience leading a top club) who will need time to learn the job. Unfortunately time is the last thing we've got. Rooney will have to be sold this season and unless we dont strengthen CM we're heading to a tough ride. We wasted too much time chasing unicorns (Fabregas)
 
If he is a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to signing players then he should at least be working on extending the contracts for Adnan and Nani.
 
I find it weird what the point in announcing that Woodward was rushing back from Australia to complete urgent transfer business was, when really it was just to make a bid that had no chance of being accepted. If we don't sign a proper midfielder this summer, then that will just be shocking. There isn't any excuse to not strengthen the midfield, which has become mediocre at best. We have a very good player in Carrick, and then 2 others who's level is probably more suited to mid table teams.
 
Ed Woodward's fast becoming the new Mike Phelan on the Caf. You might not understand what he does, but you feel very comfortable criticising him.

It's very difficult to be confident when he flew back from Australia weeks ago citing 'Urgent transfer business' and yet no transfers of any kind have occurred. Oh, but we have signed an African credit card company.

Bidding 25 million for Fabregas is today's market stinks.
 
It's effectively an enquiry. I really don't get why it's an issue.


Because it seems that we never really moved beyond that enquiry. By all accounts, we went up to 30m, which is a ridiculous ceiling to set. He was never going to be attainable at that price. Just my take, but I reckon we gave Barca the chance to reassure Fabregas, whereas had we been prepared to dig deeper earlier in the window, we'd have had a better chance.
 
It's effectively an enquiry. I really don't get why it's an issue.

If I were Barcelona, I'd think either we weren't serious or we were taking the piss. Even if you class that as an 'enquiry', to then bid just £30 million is just bizzare.
 
Because it seems that we never really moved beyond that enquiry. By all accounts, we went up to 30m, which is a ridiculous ceiling to set. He was never going to be attainable at that price. Just my take, but I reckon we gave Barca the chance to reassure Fabregas, whereas had we been prepared to dig deeper earlier in the window, we'd have had a better chance.

Exactly. He has left our transfer business far too late now whatever happens, considering our fixture list.
 
It's very difficult to be confident when he flew back from Australia weeks ago citing 'Urgent transfer business' and yet no transfers of any kind have occurred. Oh, but we have signed an African credit card company.

Bidding 25 million for Fabregas is today's market stinks.


Sometimes deals just don't happen. So what's the alternative? Somehow an idiot has been offered the top job at one of, it not, the biggest club in the world? I somehow doubt it.
 
I see no justification, based on what is known publicly at this very moment, for having made a bid of 25m for Fabregas.

However, Final Judgment waits for another day.
 
Sometimes deals just don't happen. So what's the alternative? Somehow an idiot has been offered the top job at one of, it not, the biggest club in the world? I somehow doubt it.

Who said he is an idiot? Like I said he's managed to sign an African credit card company. The noises from the club were that we were seriously going to make a statement of intent with our transfer business this summer. What sort of statement have we actually made so far? That yes, we are prepared to go I for the really top players, but only if we can get them on the cheap?

Considering our Pre-season form, how do you fancy us against Chelsea and City? Even Swansea for that matter?
 
Because it seems that we never really moved beyond that enquiry. By all accounts, we went up to 30m, which is a ridiculous ceiling to set. He was never going to be attainable at that price. Just my take, but I reckon we gave Barca the chance to reassure Fabregas, whereas had we been prepared to dig deeper earlier in the window, we'd have had a better chance.


Potentially. But I don't really see that as a ceiling, more that for some reason it was on for a while, which led us to play the bidding game, and then it was off, so we packed it in.

Sometimes supporters can be very confident that they know more than the guys in charge, and the reality is very rarely that simple. Unless Moyes is taking part in some Glazer smoke and mirrors game, which seems fairly unlikely, then Woodward must have been led to bid by some positive communication with somebody. Who that was, I guess we won't know. But there has to be more to this story than has been reported in the media.
 
Potentially. But I don't really see that as a ceiling, more that for some reason it was on for a while, which led us to play the bidding game, and then it was off, so we packed it in.

Sometimes supporters can be very confident that they know more than the guys in charge, and the reality is very rarely that simple. Unless Moyes is taking part in some Glazer smoke and mirrors game, which seems fairly unlikely, then Woodward must have been led to bid by some positive communication with somebody. Who that was, I guess we won't know. But there has to be more to this story than has been reported in the media.


I totally agree that we know naff all in comparison to the guys running the club. That said, plenty of good midfielders have been on the move in the last four years, and United have stood prone on the sidelines. Our inactivity is bordering on ridiculous.
 
I've no problem with deals collapsing; that happened plenty of times with Gill and Kenyon too.

My main issue has been the very public way we've put him out there. I don't know if it was Moyes' idea or not, but it wasn't very kind to Woody to tell the media he left Australia to try and sign Fabregas.
 
What I don't get is the £12m bid we put in for Baines. It's not been followed up, Evra hasn't left it was just completely random. We cant judge the guy until the end of the window but to say he's been mediocre is probably an understatement thus far. I don't know if all the leaks are down to him as well but all our business is being played out in the open, something I find strange especially when everything has been quite downbeat after SAF's retirement.
 
What I don't get is the £12m bid we put in for Baines. It's not been followed up, Evra hasn't left it was just completely random. We cant judge the guy until the end of the window but to say he's been mediocre is probably an understatement thus far.


Given that Evra's staying, and was never even linked away this summer, the Baines bid was a real waste of time.

As kps88 says, there's no shame in deals collapsing, but there's no evidence we've been trying to do a great deal beyond chase an unattainable player.
 
I totally agree that we know naff all in comparison to the guys running the club. That said, plenty of good midfielders have been on the move in the last four years, and United have stood prone on the sidelines. Our inactivity is bordering on ridiculous.


Yeah, it's not how I would have played the situation as manager. I've always assumed that it was because Ferguson was waiting for someone who he genuinely considered world-class, rather than lumping for Arteta or whoever as a stop-gap. But then it's hard to imagine that he ever believed Young was a potential world-beater, so that logic doesn't really work.
 
Given that Evra's staying, and was never even linked away this summer, the Baines bid was a real waste of time.

As kps88 says, there's no shame in deals collapsing, but there's no evidence we've been trying to do a great deal beyond chase an unattainable player.


Not so sure about that. Evra has been linked with Monaco, no?
 
Potentially. But I don't really see that as a ceiling, more that for some reason it was on for a while, which led us to play the bidding game, and then it was off, so we packed it in.

Sometimes supporters can be very confident that they know more than the guys in charge, and the reality is very rarely that simple. Unless Moyes is taking part in some Glazer smoke and mirrors game, which seems fairly unlikely, then Woodward must have been led to bid by some positive communication with somebody. Who that was, I guess we won't know. But there has to be more to this story than has been reported in the media.

It's not about knowing more than the guys in charge. It's about knowing that the start of the season is just around the corner. Knowing that our top man flew back from Oz in 'Urgent transfer business' weeks ago and has achieved a grand total of feck all. Knowing that after all the shouting and cock waving, we are likely to start the season with the same squad as last year, minus the greatest manager of all time, Paul Scholes and probably Wayne Rooney. Now, if this isn't a time to be 'concerned' about the upcoming season as a United supporter, I don't know what is. And the idea that we shouldn't worry because Manchester United are unlikely to have put an idiot in charge is frankly ridiculous. The world of business is littered with massively talented individuals who have failed spectacularly in new roles.
 
Yeah, it's not how I would have played the situation as manager. I've always assumed that it was because Ferguson was waiting for someone who he genuinely considered world-class, rather than lumping for Arteta or whoever as a stop-gap. But then it's hard to imagine that he ever believed Young was a potential world-beater, so that logic doesn't really work.


I think you're on to something - he said plenty of times that he wasn't just going to sign any old clogger and that they had to be of a certain standard. Fergie seemed to be happy to purchase mediocre players in other positions but had really exacting standards in midfield.
 
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