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If he was traveling back to tie up the Rooney deal why would we leak he wasn't?

The Rooney situation is hardly unbeknownst to the public to require us to be thrown off the scent.
 
adam118 said:
Won't be Rooney. Why rush to sell to a rival. If we sell Rooney it will be nearer the end of the window. Of course it could be a bad move and affect our season but to get the best price and make Chelsea have less time to get him fit for the start of the new season. Really we should give Chelsea hope till the end of the window and sell last minute to arsenal.
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Unless, the buying party has offered a player in exchange or a deal which is quite tempting for us.
 
pocco said:
Why? Our Chief Exec should be there for any deal, no matter how big or small.
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Why would he rush half away across the world to finalise the sale of a player, who by all accounts we don't actually want to sell?
 
adam118 said:
Won't be Rooney. Why rush to sell to a rival. If we sell Rooney it will be nearer the end of the window. Of course it could be a bad move and affect our season but to get the best price and make Chelsea have less time to get him fit for the start of the new season. Really we should give Chelsea hope till the end of the window and sell last minute to arsenal.
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Its a bit sickening that Rooney looks to be in great shape for pre-season, and all along he was probably only in that shape because he was looking to hit the ground running after his dickhead team engineered a transfer to Chelsea.

Look how many seasons he's come back to us a stone or more over-weight, with daily newspapers reporting him partying the whole summer, hanging out of take-aways at 2am smokin a fag etc..

There's no way The Equalizer has returned to complete a deal to send him to Chelsea & if he eventaully does leave - he must never go to them thats for sure, but where does he go?!
 
Stickles said:
If he was traveling back to tie up the Rooney deal why would we leak he wasn't?

The Rooney situation is hardly unbeknownst to the public to require us to be thrown off the scent.
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How do we know he's leaked anything. The media probably know feck all.

Besides, if we're trying to make Chelsea believe it would only take big money for us to talk, it wouldn't make sense to say we're bringing our Chief Exec back to do the deal. We have been saying Rooney isn't for sale, afterall.
 
Closing the Higuain to United deal.
 
pocco said:
How do we know he's leaked anything. The media probably know feck all.

Besides, if we're trying to make Chelsea believe it would only take big money for us to talk, it wouldn't make sense to say we're bringing our Chief Exec back to do the deal. We have been saying Rooney isn't for sale, afterall.
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The media knew he was on his way back. Unless you're here following a private telephone conversation with him?
 
Woodzy said:
Why would he rush half away across the world to finalise the sale of a player, who by all accounts we don't actually want to sell?
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It's already been said that it has nothing to do with Rooney but it would be a normal business practice to return and sign your name under the deal if you're a CEO when another club has tabled a good enough bid for one of your assets. I can't imagine that he wouldn't return to England to conclude a deal if Chelsea gave us £45m for Rooney.
 
pocco said:
Yes they knew he was coming back, but how do they knoq what he's comig back for? The 'not for Rooney' stuff xame out later on, so who told them?
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Who told them he was coming back at all.

We can't really need to play the whole 'how do we know anything' game every time something's leaked. If we went by only what we were told by official statements then none of us would have a clue that Rooney was 'angry and confused' but nobody is suggesting he isn't and the media just made it up.
 
pocco said:
Yes they knew he was coming back, but how do they know what he's coming back for? The 'not for Rooney' stuff xame out later on, so who told them?
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It was an SSN reporter actually at Old Trafford who seemed to first state that he'd "been informed" it was nothing to do with Rooney. I don't know who would him that, and it was a SSN reporter who'd also "been informed" that Moyes would be unveiling Thiago at a presser. So they are probably just guessing, stirring the pot, etc.
 
pocco said:
Yes they knew he was coming back, but how do they know what he's coming back for? The 'not for Rooney' stuff came out later on, so who told them?
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How do they know about the Baines bid, Fabregas bid, Rooney discontent, Chelsea bid, the fact that's he's leaving.... etc etc. Club seems to be leakier than an essex hookers nether regions recently.
 
Goooose said:
He doesn't have to. I'm assuming it's going to be a massive anti-climax.
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Technically no, and he indeed doesn't have to do stuff to please us on redcafe. It is getting to the point though where many (not me) are worried about potential incompetence on their part and surely they must be aware of it. And yes, it is important, the more they add fuel to the fire in that respect the bigger the meltdown when we lose a game or two.

EdWood and Moyes can't control whether we lose a few games but they can control how the Summer prior to that is handled, and they should be mindful not just of transfer business but the climate that starts building up.
 
Hal9000 said:
How do they know about the Baines bid, Fabregas bid, Rooney discontent, Chelsea bid, the fact that's he's leaving.... etc etc. Club seems to be leakier than an essex hookers nether regions recently.
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I think someone was joking when they said ti a few days back, but it increasingly looks like it may be a case of us leaking stories... to find the leak.

I used to do it in Brazil, very effective.
 
Eyepopper said:
Football is turning into farce.
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I was just thinking the same thing. Too much access for the media and to media. Its becoming like a page 3 celebrity thing where every movement is tracked. I won't be surprised if three years from now, people will be discussing the saloon that Wilshere goes to.
 
Interval Level said:
I said too much access. You'll know when the club declares it.
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So the only football news ever besides results will be officially drafted club statements? That'll be fun.

If you think about it quite a lot of the stuff we 'know' about the club and enjoy talking about and using it to form opinions on wider discussions about the club - much of it has never been confirmed in an official statement. Indeed the only thing we'd know going by official statements these last two years is who our new official DIY supplier was.
 
Eyepopper said:
Football is turning into farce.
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It always does the moment it leaves the training pitch or games. After that it is just media crap looking to sell papers or get website clicks, with every little detail being shoved down our throat in the hope we read it.
 
Stickles said:
So the only football news ever besides results will be officially drafted club statements? That'll be fun.

If you think about it quite a lot of the stuff we 'know' about the club and enjoy talking about and using it to form opinions on wider discussions about the club - much of it has never been confirmed in an official statement. Indeed the only thing we'd know going by official statements these last two years is who our new official DIY supplier was.
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Again. I said TOO MUCH ACCESS. Reporting on what your sources close to a player (probably the guys barber) and whether the CEO has left the building is shit journalism and encourages ridiculous discussions. Apart from that, you have press statements, press conferences, club statements, player interviews amongst a large plethora of things to report.
 
Hal9000 said:
How do they know about the Baines bid, Fabregas bid, Rooney discontent, Chelsea bid, the fact that's he's leaving.... etc etc. Club seems to be leakier than an essex hookers nether regions recently.
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Well, I don't know everything. But this is the second report saying the Chelsea 'cash plus player' bid did not come from us (Independent):

There was no United briefing in Sydney – on or off the record – to the effect that Chelsea players had been offered as part of a Rooney deal. A report to that effect was picked up by news outlets and gained momentum yesterday.
 
Interval Level said:
Again. I said TOO MUCH ACCESS. Reporting on what your sources close to a player (probably the guys barber) and whether the CEO has left the building is shit journalism and encourages ridiculous discussions. Apart from that, you have press statements, press conferences, club statements, player interviews amongst a large plethora of things to report.
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Journalism is about reporting stuff you find out as well as stuff you're told.
 
SSN were reporting big news from United's training ground this morning. Just went to a reporter reiterating yesterdays news, and mentioning the paper talk of Bale. So I guess it was a big news if you slept through all of Wednesday.
 
Stickles said:
Journalism is about reporting stuff you find out as well as stuff you're told.
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What's just blatantly making stuff up to sell papers or get traffic to your website about then? :confused:


Football survived quite happily, and healthily, before 24x7 entertainment news.

You say we wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the club without the press, the assumption you're making here is that you have some idea as to what's going on at the club because of the press.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
SSN were reporting big news from United's training ground this morning. Just went to a reporter reiterating yesterdays news, and mentioning the paper talk of Bale. So I guess it was a big news if you slept through all of Wednesday.
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I never get the point of the 'standing outside the ground' thing. The bloke stands there never moving looking direct into camera and the researches are the ones that get the information and relay it to him for him to relay to the studio. Be easier to cut out the middle man and just have the researchers feed whatever they get into the studio.

We're essentially watching someone being told something by someone and then relaying it to someone else as a way of relaying it indirectly to us.
 
Eyepopper said:
What's just blatantly making stuff up to sell papers or get traffic to your website :confused:


Football survived quite happily, and healthily, before 24x7 entertainment news.

You say we wouldn't have a clue what's going on in the club without the press, the assumption you're making here is that you have some idea as to what's going on at the club because of the press.
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Who said anything about blatantly making stuff up?

The criticism was that a reporter didn't keep it a secret that he was told the CEO was on his way back. Not 'making stuff up'.

The paranoia about the press is easily as absurd as some of the stuff that gets printed.
 
If the idea of having so much news about the clue true or otherwise bothers people why don't they just ignore it?
 
Think the journalists are prepared to say things that they wouldn't have with SAF in charge as they knew how he dealt with them. But under Moyes they are testing those boundaries and some fans are saying this would never been handled like this before. But the facts are no one knows who we are in for 100% and the journalists are all guessing until it becomes made known by us United or the selling club or players agent. So they are all fishing hoping they guess properly so they can claim the scoop IMHO!
 
Stickles said:
Who said anything about blatantly making stuff up?

The criticism was that a reporter didn't keep it a secret that he was told the CEO was on his way back. Not 'making stuff up'.

The paranoia about the press is easily as absurd as some of the stuff that gets printed.
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And that could've been easily made up. It encourages ridiculous speculation and made up news like he hasn't left for the Rooney transfer, hasn't gone to feed his cat. Its not paranoia. Its about the frivilous culture that is building within the game where every single move is reported and recorded and speculated on. And since people demand it, it is made up. Sites like Caughtoffside shouldn't exist but they do and make roaring revenues. You have to just see the insanity on this website to know its getting out of hand. When people sit 5 hours at work and keep F5ing one thread based on frivolous crap, you know there is something amiss.
 
Well it's not really is it?

The idea of the press is supposed to be to inform, with the rise of real time news and greater competition for advertising revenue that's taken a back seat to gossip & sensationalism.

What would you think, 75% of the rumours you see in the press have zero substance? Well then, apart from if you find the soap opera entertaining in itself, what's the point?

And that's leaving aside the wonderful blogging.

Woodward has got an early flight home, that's all we really know the rest is just media fuelled speculation designed to fill today's pages.
 
acnumber9 said:
If the idea of having so much news about the clue true or otherwise bothers people why don't they just ignore it?
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I do.

I made a comment in a thread saying footballs turning into farce that's about it.

I shan't be trying to work out what flight he's on or what time he lands, because quite honestly I couldn't give a shit.

One of the most annoying things about modern media is its actually impossible to have any indication of what is going on by purely reading the press, you used to be able to get a feel for the truth from forums (one of the main reasons I joined the caf) but they're now just full of people wildly speculating on speculation.
 
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