Eden Hazard

Since October 20, Hazard has scored 3 league goals. That is 3 goals since matchday 9, this weekend will be matchday 25. I keep tabs because I have him in my fantasy team

Poor return for an attacker regardless of how many takeons and dribbles he get
 
Hazard doesn't run, he glides across the turf. Ball glued to his feet. It really is a beautiful sight to behold. But his end product is so disappointing. Just think he doesn't have a killer mentality.
 
kaiser1 said:
Since October 20, Hazard has scored 3 league goals. That is 3 goals since matchday 9, this weekend will be matchday 25. I keep tabs because I have him in my fantasy team

Poor return for an attacker regardless of how many takeons and dribbles he get
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Why do you still have in your fantasy team then?
 
kaiser1 said:
Since October 20, Hazard has scored 3 league goals. That is 3 goals since matchday 9, this weekend will be matchday 25. I keep tabs because I have him in my fantasy team

Poor return for an attacker regardless of how many takeons and dribbles he get
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But also noteworthy that he had 7 assists in that timeframe and scored two pretty important goals in the EFL Cup. Certainly a drop from the beginning of the season, but imo still a decent return for a playmaker who never was and never will be a main goalscorer. Especially since Chelsea plunged into a serious crisis during that period.
 
kaiser1 said:
Since October 20, Hazard has scored 3 league goals. That is 3 goals since matchday 9, this weekend will be matchday 25. I keep tabs because I have him in my fantasy team

Poor return for an attacker regardless of how many takeons and dribbles he get
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One of the reasons why I don't consider him to be among the very best, he is not ruthless enough in the final third and doesn't affect the result of football matches as much as the absolute best players do in his position. Fantastic quality on the ball and an unique ability to keep the ball under pressure and carry the ball forward, but his end product is too inconsistent for me.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Why do you still have in your fantasy team then?
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I missed part of the early season Hazard goal rush, got him after the Cardiff hat trick scored 2 and went on a long hiatus, I sold him later when Sarri started playing him up top, I believed he would score more and bought him. I am still hoping he will drop a hat trick soon
Synco said:
But also noteworthy that he had 7 assists in that timeframe and scored two pretty important goals in the EFL Cup. Certainly a drop from the beginning of the season, but imo still a decent return for a playmaker who never was and never will be a main goalscorer. Especially since Chelsea plunged into a serious crisis during that period.
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Do you think the Chelsea crisis might have to do with their marquee attacker not scoring enough, Chelsea is now 5th and barely ahead of Man Utd who had a diabolical start under Mourinho. with Hazard fully fit under an attacking coach

hellohello said:
One of the reasons why I don't consider him to be among the very best, he is not ruthless enough in the final third and doesn't affect the result of football matches as much as the absolute best players do in his position. Fantastic quality on the ball and an unique ability to keep the ball under pressure and carry the ball forward, but his end product is too inconsistent for me.
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Making a difference in the final 3rd is what differentiates elite attackers these days where most teams play 433 or a variation of it, All 3 attackers have to be scoring options. Being smart on the ball is more important than having silky dribbling skills, a player like D.Silva will make a difference with a quick turn and pass, Seemingly less talented players like Sterling Salah have learnt to reduce their ball keeping and improve positioning, shooting and decision making while Hazard is still trying to dribble a 4th defender.

I thought Hazard was making the turn under Sarri early season and becoming an attacking beast but ...
 
A great player, but he'll always be a tier below the likes of Neymar.

His mentality is too content.
 
kaiser1 said:
Do you think the Chelsea crisis might have to do with their marquee attacker not scoring enough, Chelsea is now 5th and barely ahead of Man Utd who had a diabolical start under Mourinho. with Hazard fully fit under an attacking coach
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Not really, he simply shouldn't be their projected marquee attacker in the first place. Every top team that calculates with Hazard as their main goalscorer has a problem, I'd say. His main strengths are different ones, and always have been.
kaiser1 said:
Making a difference in the final 3rd is what differentiates elite attackers these days where most teams play 433 or a variation of it, All 3 attackers have to be scoring options. Being smart on the ball is more important than having silky dribbling skills, a player like D.Silva will make a difference with a quick turn and pass, Seemingly less talented players like Sterling Salah have learnt to reduce their ball keeping and improve positioning, shooting and decision making while Hazard is still trying to dribble a 4th defender.
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Can't really align that with what I've seen. Hazard has made ample difference in the final third this season, and finally became a good scoring option. Chelsea's #1 option in fact, but as I said, that merely points to one of the major gaps in their squad. Remains to be seen if Higuain can be the answer.
kaiser1 said:
I thought Hazard was making the turn under Sarri early season and becoming an attacking beast but ...
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Hm, I see that as an unrealistic expectation to begin with (at least on the approx. level of the start of the season). Seasoned players rarely change that much. It's dependent on collective issues too - the team's whole offensive would have to run like an oiled machine, and Chelsea hasn't been on that level.
 
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The guy's a fecking sulk. Turns it off and on depending on his mood, nothing to do with inconsistency.

At his best he's devastating, but has he ever kept it up for a full season before he starts sulking again?

I'm glad we lost out with this guy in the end, except that post SAF, we would probably have sold him to RM for a huge fee.
 
Sassy Colin said:
The guy's a fecking sulk. Turns it off and on depending on his mood, nothing to do with inconsistency.

At his best he's devastating, but has he ever kept it up for a full season before he starts sulking again?

I'm glad we lost out with this guy in the end, except that post SAF, we would probably have sold him to RM for a huge fee.
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The last time I seen him motivated was the World Cup. Was unplayable because of his pure hunger to win.

Apart from the above he does turn off and on. Even in Chelseas title winning seasons he only put in a shift for half of each of those seasons.
 
kaiser1 said:
Since October 20, Hazard has scored 3 league goals. That is 3 goals since matchday 9, this weekend will be matchday 25. I keep tabs because I have him in my fantasy team

Poor return for an attacker regardless of how many takeons and dribbles he get
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One of those goals was also a penalty. Any other player would be slated for such a return but he dribbles and wins fouls so lets ignore it!

As for assists in this period that someone mentioned, I really detest people using assists to hype a player up, take the Man City game for example. Hazard gets two assists, one was a pass that was over hit for Pedro and Kante managed to get onto, second was a corner kick. Why do people rate assists so highly when they can be upped by set plays, simple 2 yard pass or a misplaced pass?

His performances have been poor often, that clown McManaman said he could play any position on the park, then come 30 minutes into the game said it's hard for Hazard because his back is to goal. WTF? Excuses are always used for his bad performances, strikers not good enough etc...

He's a very good footballer but is extremely overrated and only produces in purple spells, especially his world cup campaign. Until he produces it regularly in the CL and is more consistent he will always be over-hyped IMO.
 
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Sassy Colin said:
The guy's a fecking sulk. Turns it off and on depending on his mood, nothing to do with inconsistency.

At his best he's devastating, but has he ever kept it up for a full season before he starts sulking again?

I'm glad we lost out with this guy in the end, except that post SAF, we would probably have sold him to RM for a huge fee.
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I don't think he sulks. I just think he's happy to coast through games doing the minimum. Whether he's happy or not.
He just doesn't have the mentality of giving your best and wanting to improve.

I don't think Hazard of 2019 is much better than 2013 for example. He doesn't have drive.
 
Miss understood imo, in a team where he is the only creator and has been asked to play as a striker. Early in the season when they were not messing with his position and others were able to create he was on fire.

The minute Chelsea rely on him for both creativity and goals without others in the team contributing his form drops and does the whole team.

Ive watched a few games lately and its almost as if he has to do all the attacking by himself, looked better when Hudson Odoi was also on the pitch

Pogba had a similar issue at United under Jose, relied upon to do far too much, moved about then labelled as a problem
 
Cassidy said:
Miss understood imo, in a team where he is the only creator and has been asked to play as a striker. Early in the season when they were not messing with his position and others were able to create he was on fire.

The minute Chelsea rely on him for both creativity and goals without others in the team contributing his form drops and does the whole team.

Ive watched a few games lately and its almost as if he has to do all the attacking by himself, looked better when Hudson Odoi was also on the pitch

Pogba had a similar issue at United under Jose, relied upon to do far too much, moved about then labelled as a problem
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Like I said, a sulk.
 
Mark_Barca said:
One of those goals was also a penalty. Any other player would be slated for such a return but he dribbles and wins fouls so lets ignore it!

His performances have been poor often, that clown McManaman said he could play any position on the park, then come 30 minutes into the game said it's hard for Hazard because his back is to goal. WTF? Excuses are always used for his bad performances, strikers not good enough etc...

He's a very good footballer but is extremely overrated and only produces in purple spells, especially his world cup campaign. Until he produces it regularly in the CL and is more consistent he will always be over-hyped IMO.
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Talking about the CL, Hazard has 4 non penalty goals his entire CL career of 5 seasons. And the world cup, Hazard went through the quarter and semi final matches without a shot on target.

Adisa said:
I don't think he sulks. I just think he's happy to coast through games doing the minimum. Whether he's happy or not.
He just doesn't have the mentality of giving your best and wanting to improve.

I don't think Hazard of 2019 is much better than 2013 for example. He doesn't have drive.
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I will say Hazards idea of football is to first enjoy himself and the team needs are secondary. He wants to dribble around, take a lot of touches and forget about the aim of the attack which is to score. Like you and your friends will do in a 5 a side game just to nutmeg each other, pull some embarrassing moves just for fun. Modern football is about results, Check the difference between Ronaldo pre 2006 and post 2006.

Pre 2006, Ronaldo will dribble a defender with a stepover, wait for like 5 seconds for the player to recover so he can nutmeg him again, then flick the ball over his head. Post world cup 2006, he changed his mentality and realized the game is about goals. Hazard hasn't come to that realization that ball moves faster than man. a well-placed pass achieves more than dribbling over 25yards

Most coaches have tried to push Hazard into attacking positions to make him more of a goal threat and he has failed all of them. Recently he said

But the 28-year has frequently come under fire for his laid-back approach.
"I didn't just frustrate Conte," Hazard told France Football.
"In my career, I've frustrated all my coaches. And with Sarri, once again, I frustrate him. I frustrated Mourinho. And the next coach that I have, I'll frustrate him as well."

If your attacking plan revolves around Hazard, then you are screwed
 
Synco said:
Hm, I see that as an unrealistic expectation to begin with (at least on the approx. level of the start of the season). Seasoned players rarely change that much. It's dependent on collective issues too - the team's whole offensive would have to run like an oiled machine, and Chelsea hasn't been on that level.
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Aye. Over the last five years or so, he is the one top tier attacker whose end product has often been delivered despite the team he was in - as opposed to a reflection of that team's dominance over the rest of the league, with multiple options and high quality attacking football generating truckloads of space.
 
The more time goes on the more you see what a mistake it was going to Chelsea. He needed to go to a strong club where he would be challenged every week with management that would help him. Instead he's a big fish in a small pond where he can pretty much be their star without having to bother improving a single thing in his game. The player you see now isn't much different to the one that arrived in 2012.

He had the talent to be mentioned alongside the Suarez's, Neymars and Mbappes of the world, if not the Ronaldos and Messis.
 
Imagine him putting out his current season stats at United, we'd be unstoppable going forward and creating along side Pogba.

If he's available we should go for him, Madrid might need to spend in other positions. Put Martial as CF then.

Hazard-Martial-Sancho :drool:
 
Is he unable to cross a ball?
Genuine question, is he just not able to do t?
 
I would kill to have this guy play in a United shirt. He is incredible but you can see how he has overgrown Chelsea and he isn't arsed sometimes. In a bigger club like United he would be pure gold.
 
Once he leaves, it will be pretty hard to see Chelsea competing for anything for a long time.
 
el3mel said:
Once he leaves, it will be pretty hard to see Chelsea competing for anything for a long time.
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You never know. Their transfer business has been much worse than ours in the last three years. It's astonishing how bad it's been?
It goes under the Rader but they've blown nearly £400m. They might actually recruit well this summer. They're finished if they get a transfer ban though.
 
Adisa said:
You never know. Their transfer business has been much worse than ours in the last three years. It's astonishing how bad it's been?
It goes under the Rader but they've blown nearly £400m. They might actually recruit well this summer. They're finished if they get a transfer ban though.
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They might still get good player but it will be pretty hard to replace him. He seems to be carrying the whole team on hs own and whenver he has a day off they look clueless in the attack. Chelsea will never be the same force after he leaves imo.

Another thing is Chelsea isn't really a good destination for top players in their peak anymore. The rest of squad is average and they don't guarantee any big titles. Also Roman doesn't look interested much in the team as he was earlier.

Everything is pointing to Chelsea being about to enter a pretty tough period if Hazard finally decides to leave
 
Trizy said:
Imagine him putting out his current season stats at United, we'd be unstoppable going forward and creating along side Pogba.

If he's available we should go for him, Madrid might need to spend in other positions. Put Martial as CF then.

Hazard-Martial-Sancho :drool:
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Where's the most inform, bred and born Manc in that line up sorry? :wenger:
 
cyberman said:
Is he unable to cross a ball?
Genuine question, is he just not able to do t?
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I've never seen him cross a ball or at least I can remember. Only cut backs across goal I've seen from him. He loves linking up with attackers in small spaces.
 
Hope we're resting him on Thursday. Save some for Sunday please.
 
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