Eden Hazard to Real Madrid?

giorno said:
It's not but Flo decided the BBC is untouchable, and if that's the case we're probably looking at 3 more years of them. Might as well adapt


We suffer from the fact that unless Benzema is on song, the BBC contributes almost nothibg in every aspect of the game besides the goals. They don't even pass the ball to each other - reason why benzema is so important for zidane and ancelotti before him


Problem is how long the BBC will stick around. No point spending big sums for highly talented youngsters to leave them on the bench for the next 3 years. Kovacic has been with us for 2 seasons now. By the end of the next, he either takes the starting job away from one of modric or kroos, accepts to be a bench player, or leaves. Same thing happened to Isco and he's leaving this summer.


He doesn't control games and he doesn't decide the tempo on his own.
As for his numbers, we're not the right team for that. We don't move better than chelsea, he would not fit us as well as he fits chelsea. As for not being kicked, neymar's the most kicked player in europe. Dribbling is easier in England than Spain, the higher tempo means more transitions and more space, less times facing organized defenses putting two men on you

And if he's not as effective with his dribbling, hazard offers little else at an elite level

Btw, the cristiano ronaldo transfer really did a number on you united fans :lol:
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I only discuss the bolded part. I disagree. Some Spanish lower league can't defend for shite despite having good numbers in defensive position. I would argue the opposite that dribbling is harder in PL than La Liga with PL employed more athletic players in defense who never give up on chasing loss cause. There is more space to attack on counter but that comes with sacrifice supporting players = few attackers in a move. It's more to fitness demanding playing back & forth game this way for attackers in PL, especially when you have to do a job defensively. Spending too much time sprinting would tire you out sooner & make you less effective with dribbling

What happened with more kick in La Liga is refs at least understand the rule & not bookplayer for another's foul (Herrera second yellow incident). Cynical/ professional foul is part of the game, as tool to break up play/ disrupt opposition's rhythm. Ref in PL seems to lose control of the game more often than their La Liga peers.

Edit: Forgot until now, PL tend to let the game go on more with certain minor foul/ kicks, so I have my doubt that stats may not tell the whole story: Neymar may get kicked more but he can go in defensively mode more, fall to reduce impact while PL players can go overboard with their foul or dribbler tend not to be too ambitious with their dribbling
 
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Vato said:
Unbelievable how underrated Hazard is on here...

He's a magical player and would improve even further under Zidane, who he looks up to.

For me he is just below Messi/Cristiano next to players like Bale or Neymar.
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He's great player. Best dribbler in PL right now but he's not next to or on par with Bale and Neymar.
I even still rate Sanchez ahead of him since he's more consistent in his end product. And if I consider in the past four seasons, Aguero is still the best player in PL.

Hazard still couldn't achieve what both Bale and Neymar have done individually for their club. And they were being shadowed by Messi and Ronaldo in the team.

If you are going to make an excuse of Bale and Neymar are playing in a better team. You need to look at what Bale had done with his country and Spurs and also what Neymar had done with Brazil.

Hazard individually in his PL career still couldn't achieve what Bale did when he was at Spurs individually.
 
Theonas said:
His level of skill and ability to open up a defence as well as create chances is simply the highest currency in football, only surpassed by those who can do those things PLUS score goals.
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Good post, and there is only one that the bolded part applies to in today's football, which is Messi. Everyone else has considerably less impact in one or both categories.

That includes Neymar, whose goalscoring output has dropped to (quite exactly) Hazard level since he became the main instigator of Barca's attacks (according to Barca fans on here) instead of relying more on the team to put him in goalscoring positions. Ronaldo doesn't make meaningful contributions to the build up of attacks, he even makes it harder at times with subpar ball handling and erratic decisions. Robben is great at both (undervalued as a passer), but less of a playmaker than Hazard and less of a goalscorer than Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc. So there's always a give & take kind of balance between these two elements.

I think the golden rule here is that if you start attacks, you'll likely not be the one who finishes them. Except if you're Messi.
 
Synco said:
Good post, and there is only one that the bolded part applies to in today's football, which is Messi. Everyone else has considerably less impact in one or both categories.

That includes Neymar, whose goalscoring output has dropped to (quite exactly) Hazard level since he became the main instigator of Barca's attacks (according to Barca fans on here) instead of relying more on the team to put him in goalscoring positions. Ronaldo doesn't make meaningful contributions to the build up of attacks, he even makes it harder at times with subpar ball handling and erratic decisions. Robben is great at both (undervalued as a passer), but less of a playmaker than Hazard and less of a goalscorer than Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc. So there's always a give & take kind of balance between these two elements.

I think the golden rule here is that if you start attacks, you'll likely not be the one who finishes them. Except if you're Messi.
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This sums it up perfectly for me. I agree with everything here really. I think the post I was responding to was a bit harsh on Hazard or maybe overrated other players. As you rightly point out, Neymar does not score nearly as much as someone who should be considered with a clearly higher output than Hazard. It's not just goalscoring, he also can be very inconsistent and unable to influence games for long periods. Ronaldo, for me has been no better than someone like Zlatan or prime Van Persie for us over the past 3 or 4 years, great player obviously but nowhere near the one off talent he seems to enjoy. I know that this might sound insane to some but he really does not influence games nearly as much as the best players do. He does not open up a defence through dribbling or pace any more, relative of course to other top players or to himself from 2007-2012. This leaves us with Messi whose level is really skewing people's expectations. The little genius is simply ridiculous in what he can do, he doesn't even need a midfield anymore it seems to create for him.
 
Womp said:
That's what I've been trying to say all along. Also, I wasn't strictly talking about scoring, but regularly being involved in, through goals or assists. You could dribble the whole team, but if the final ball is lacking or it doesn't result in a goal, ultimately, it's pointless. Both Messi and Barcelona wouldn't have been so dominant over the past decade or so if it wasn't for Messi's goals. He'd still be an incredible player as you suggested yes, but as people have shown already, if he doesn't deliver, he is looked down on. This is illustrated by people's skewed opinions of him due to his shortcomings with Argentina. It's true it's not fair to compare Hazard to Messi etc, but that is the class of players we are talking about. Discussing whether or not he is one of the world's elite, would result in us comparing him to the World's other elite.

I'm actually a big fan of Hazard, was gutted when we didn't manage to get him but he is two levels below the best players imo. Messi in a league of his own and then a level below Cr7/Neymar etc, due to as you stated, their ability to do both. Players who have consistently won games on their own on multiple occasions.
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I see what you mean in that it's not strictly about goalscoring but then I think you are not giving Hazard enough credit in how much he is in fact involved in actions that lead to goals. He is more of a one man attack than Neymar or Bale are considering who their teammates are. We are talking about a player who plays in a team that dominates possession and territory considerably less than Barcelona and Real usually do. Their games are mostly decided by his accelerations or dribbling. The numbers are not as high, although Neymar and Bale are not exactly reaching amazing levels, but his influence is as big as anyone's now bar Messi when it comes to consistency at least.
 
Mike09 said:
Hazard individually in his PL career still couldn't achieve what Bale did when he was at Spurs individually.
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What did Bale achieve "individually" at Spurs that Hazard hasn't?

I've just checked and the only individual achievement Bales has (that Hazard does not) is Welsh Sports Personality of the year.
 
duffer said:
What did Bale achieve "individually" at Spurs that Hazard hasn't?

I've just checked and the only individual achievement Bales has (that Hazard does not) is Welsh Sports Personality of the year.
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This is what I was thinking. Hazard will soon have been the best player on 2 title winning sides. In Bale's breakout season he lead Spurs to a lofty 4th (or was it 5th, I can't remember).

Think people are still blinkered by Bale's flashy goals from outside of the box which were indeed spectacular. Hazard is a better all around player in my opinion.
 
duffer said:
What did Bale achieve "individually" at Spurs that Hazard hasn't?

I've just checked and the only individual achievement Bales has (that Hazard does not) is Welsh Sports Personality of the year.
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Do your history right mate. When Bale was 23 years old, he had already won PFA player of the year twice. Hazard only won it once when he was 24 and he's already 26 years old now.

Bale could scored 20+ premier league goals in one season without penalty which what Hazard couldn't do it so far even though he's the penalty taker. Hazard is more inconsistent in his end product.

I'm sure if you have the choices, you would rather have Bale's final season in PL 2012/2013 than Hazard in your team right now.
 
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Orc said:
This is what I was thinking. Hazard will soon have been the best player on 2 title winning sides. In Bale's breakout season he lead Spurs to a lofty 4th (or was it 5th, I can't remember).

Think people are still blinkered by Bale's flashy goals from outside of the box which were indeed spectacular. Hazard is a better all around player in my opinion.
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Winning titles are more a team's achievements than individual's achievements.
You think Spurs back then had better team than Chelsea or what Spurs has right now?

Bale had won PFA player of the year in two seasons when he was 23, I can't imagine how many PFA player of the year he could have won if he stayed in PL. He was able to carry his team alone and scored 20+ league goals. And Hazard only won one PFA player of the year and unable to score 20+ league goals in a season even with penalty.
 
Orc said:
This is what I was thinking. Hazard will soon have been the best player on 2 title winning sides. In Bale's breakout season he lead Spurs to a lofty 4th (or was it 5th, I can't remember).

Think people are still blinkered by Bale's flashy goals from outside of the box which were indeed spectacular. Hazard is a better all around player in my opinion.
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Bale is better.

He's been better and more consistent on the biggest stages. He also turns up for his country.
 
Mike09 said:
He's great player. Best dribbler in PL right now but he's not next to or on par with Bale and Neymar.
I even still rate Sanchez ahead of him since he's more consistent in his end product. And if I consider in the past four seasons, Aguero is still the best player in PL.

Hazard still couldn't achieve what both Bale and Neymar have done individually for their club. And they were being shadowed by Messi and Ronaldo in the team.

If you are going to make an excuse of Bale and Neymar are playing in a better team. You need to look at what Bale had done with his country and Spurs and also what Neymar had done with Brazil.

Hazard individually in his PL career still couldn't achieve what Bale did when he was at Spurs individually.
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There's still time for him. He's not 30. He could still match Bale although the latter is definitely ahead as of now. But I don't know why you keep bracketing Neymar and Bale together. There's no comparison between the two. Neymar is on a whole different level to Bale.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There's still time for him. He's not 30. He could still match Bale although the latter is definitely ahead as of now. But I don't know why you keep bracketing Neymar and Bale together. There's no comparison between the two. Neymar is on a whole different level to Bale.
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Agree with this
 
Does this mean if they go all out and spunk their budget on Hazard they might leave big Dave alone for another year?
 
lewwoo said:
Does this mean if they go all out and spunk their budget on Hazard they might leave big Dave alone for another year?
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No. They would take some sucker to the cleaner with James to raise the fund for Hazard. Not us please :nervous: Chelsea or Conte seems to rate Morata too, so for the budget matter, there is still possibility
 
If Real buys Hazard they can forget about winning the CL for a while. He barely stands out for Belgium and barely stood out for Chelsea in the CL, for some reason he just can't perform consistently outside of the PL.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
There's still time for him. He's not 30. He could still match Bale although the latter is definitely ahead as of now. But I don't know why you keep bracketing Neymar and Bale together. There's no comparison between the two. Neymar is on a whole different level to Bale.
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I think you are missing my point. I never said Hazard will never achieve it. I said he "still couldn't" or still yet.

Hazard's level is still below Bale and Neymar. He will be on the bench right now if he moves to Real or Barcelona.
 
Enjoy the circus this summer Chelsea fans.

Hazard will be asked about it soon and he'll reply with 'I am happy at Chelsea but nobody knows the future'.
 
He might do another Twitter post: "the team I have decided to join... is the current CL champions!"
 
Feels good to see real are after a non utd player this time.Hope they will sign courtois too.
 
Telegraph reporting hazard had told friends hes not leaving chelsea and is looking to sign an extension... we will see come summer, I think/hope he will stay.
 
I don't see it happening. We've got a lot of money from the Oscar deal, we are back to Champions League and I believe Hazard has three years on his deal. If Madrid needs him, they will have to pay ridiculous money approaching 150 Million or something in this market. I don't believe that is worth it for Real. The player is fairly happy and has no particular reason to force a move where we sell him for cheap. The one thing that might be tempting is that Real has a better team for champions league. But the way we've run away with the league this year, I believe there is more faith among players that we can compete in the big stage with some good additions. I can see Costa leaving for some crazy money. But I believe Eden will stay. I am not particularly worried at the moment.
 
izec said:
The classic has told friends report :D
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Agreed lol! But tbh i dont see the validity in the reports coming out saying madrid are going to go all out and he will be the new "galactico" either so we will see. For what its worth i think hes happy at chelsea and that it would take nothing less than madrids complete attention to the deal to get it done.
 
Mike09 said:
I think you are missing my point. I never said Hazard will never achieve it. I said he "still couldn't" or still yet.

Hazard's level is still below Bale and Neymar. He will be on the bench right now if he moves to Real or Barcelona.
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Agree that he's a level below as of now. It could change, though. That miserable year aside he's been brilliant for Chelsea on to two title winning occasions. And like I said, Bale is a level below Neymar as well and would be on the bench if he moved to Barcelona too.
 
Costa seems likes he's on his way to China. Losing Hazard would be huge loss for them but both are just snake in the grass players that play for themselves. Wouldn't mind Hazard joining Madrid but he'll just be a water boy over there.
 
Pipe dream. No chance it happens.

I'm not under the illusion that he'll never leave Chelsea or anything crazy like that but there's absolutely no chance he leaves this summer. Unless Madrid don't mind forking out 150m for him. He has 3 years on his deal and will likely sign a 1-2 year extension by the end of the season with increased wages.

Also, selling Hazard right now would be the first time in well over a decade we've sold a player we desperately wanted to keep. It's just not how we do business.

gorky_utd said:
Feels good to see real are after a non utd player this time.Hope they will sign courtois too.
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Courtois is most definitely not happening.

'I don't see myself at Real Madrid, I see myself at Chelsea, the club that six years ago saw me playing in Belgium and gave me the opportunity to sign for them.'

'I feel that I'm key to the team, I'm very happy at Chelsea, and I don't see myself anywhere else.'

'I see that there is a long-term project to win trophies, not just domestically but also in Europe. There is a lot of ambition to play in the Champions League next season,' he concluded.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...re-Chelsea-not-Real-Madrid.html#ixzz4cUCgm6M5
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Blue Barrett said:
Pipe dream. No chance it happens.

I'm not under the illusion that he'll never leave Chelsea or anything crazy like that but there's absolutely no chance he leaves this summer. Unless Madrid don't mind forking out 150m for him. He has 3 years on his deal and will likely sign a 1-2 year extension by the end of the season with increased wages.

Also, selling Hazard right now would be the first time in well over a decade we've sold a player we desperately wanted to keep. It's just not how we do business.



Courtois is most definitely not happening.
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Maybe you're new to Chelsea selling their stars to Spain, but being a United fan and speaking from experience, what players say means diddly squat, it's mostly PR, in case deals fall through, not to damage negotiating positions etc

Not saying either of them will leave, but what they say means nothing.
 
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Womp said:
Maybe you're new to Chelsea selling their stars to Spain, but being a United fan and speaking from experience, what players say means diddly squat, it's mostly PR, in case deals fall through, not to damage negotiating positions etc

Not saying either of them will leave, but what they say means nothing.
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That may be true for other players but not Courtois. He has a reputation for having a big mouth with no filter. He always says what's on his mind regardless of anything and has caught a lot of heat from the Chelsea fan base over the past 2 seasons because of that (generally, Belgian players tend to have big mouths compared to other European players - just look at De Bruyne and Lukaku as well - but that's another issue). This is actually the first time he has ever expressed such confidence in the team long term and willingness to stay. Courtois won't hesitate to say "I would love to play for another team" if he really felt that way.
 
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