Eden Hazard to Real Madrid?

[carvajal]

If we sign him hopefully he will prove me wrong, but Madrid are not Chelsea. Here comes to compete against Messi and Neymar, and the stats of goals and assists do not lie.
You can put more videos if you want but I still think the same.His evolution has not been as great as expected.
He's a great player but I wonder if he would match Bale's numbers.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Well, I suppose it's a matter of taste. Although I think that Alli is quite underrated.
Last year Hazard scored 7 goals and gave 6 assists. Ali 10 and 11.
This year the numbers are similar although slightly better for Alli.
7 goals and 6 assists are very poor numbers for someone who would cost 100 million and would be 27 years old in his first season in Madrid.
That's why I would rather invest in someone much younger

If you base player assessments solely on youtube videos and goal/assist totals then you have a very rudimentary understanding of the game.

 

[carvajal]

If you base player assessments solely on youtube videos and goal/assist totals then you have a very rudimentary understanding of the game.

Actually I don´t watch too much Premier, so I need videos to refresh the idea about certain players.
I loved what I've seen from Alli (with England) and saw a lot of potential, but logically it's just an opinion, a sensation, which is corroborated in statistics.
Everything in football is based on stats.
I love the technical and showy players, but for that we already have Isco or Asensio. If we pay 100 million I want good numbers.
Besides his sloth during the past season gives me distrust.
In any case surely I am a minority within madridistas.

 

[Hemil]

If you base player assessments solely on youtube videos and goal/assist totals then you have a very rudimentary understanding of the game.

He is right though. Hazard will be rated on the basis of goals/assists he scores in Spain comparing him to Messi and Neymar or Bale. That's what 90mn should get. Madrid wont buy Hazard for his playmaker abilities like he does here at Chelsea.

 

[Chaky_Best]

Hope so.

He's not a phenomenon like Ronaldo or Bale so he won't be their level and would be a 'fail' at Madrid. And in another hand he'll leave Chelsea without their best player and having few players able to replace him in this system.

Unless Chelsea splash 120m£ on Griezmann, or buy a top CF or even replace Hazard buy a 70m£ Marco Reus, or even Sanchez leaving the Gunners for them I don't see them being alive without Hazard.

Hope so !!!!

 

[giorno]

Actually I don´t watch too much Premier, so I need videos to refresh the idea about certain players.
I loved what I've seen from Alli (with England) and saw a lot of potential, but logically it's just an opinion, a sensation, which is corroborated in statistics.
Everything in football is based on stats.
I love the technical and showy players, but for that we already have Isco or Asensio. If we pay 100 million I want good numbers.
Besides his sloth during the past season gives me distrust.
In any case surely I am a minority within madridistas.

If marca's poll is anything to go by(it's really bot but whatever), you're in the majority. Btw, for what it's worth, i mostly agree with you on this. Don't much care about stats, just think he's not worth the kind money it would take to sign, and especially not for us. Not the right player, and he's no neymar, he's not a trascendent player. If we're the break the bank for an attacking player, it has to be dybala, unless mbappe/dembele are moving this summer(in that case we should go for them, think they'll be better than hazard and dybala in a couple years)

 

[giorno]

He is right though. Hazard will be rated on the basis of goals/assists he scores in Spain comparing him to Messi and Neymar or Bale. That's what 90mn should get. Madrid wont buy Hazard for his playmaker abilities like he does here at Chelsea.

Thing is, he's not a once-a-generation playmaker either. He's not Zidane, he's not Messi, he's not even Neymar, Ribery, Xavi or Pirlo. And i wouldn't spend more than £90M on Xavi or Pirlo anyways. Maybe on 2013 Ribery, if he gives me 7-8 seasons...Hazard's yet ro reach that level, and there's no guarantee he ever will. He's 26 and basically hasn't improved in the last 3 years

 

[LuisNaniencia]

If we sign him hopefully he will prove me wrong, but Madrid are not Chelsea. Here comes to compete against Messi and Neymar, and the stats of goals and assists do not lie.
You can put more videos if you want but I still think the same.His evolution has not been as great as expected.
He's a great player but I wonder if he would match Bale's numbers.

He's the sort of player that when he tries, Chelsea win the league. When he doesn't they finish mid table. That's how good he is.

 

[Womp]

He's the sort of player that when he tries, Chelsea win the league. When he doesn't they finish mid table. That's how good he is.

Yet there would be at least 5 players off the top of my head as good as or far superior to him in the La Liga. You're obviously disregarding everything they have said, no-one is discounting how good of a playmaker he is, simply that for the money it'd cost, you'd expect him to compete with Spain's best. That being a problem in itself, as currently he just doesn't influence games (from a statistical perspective) enough. Madrid already have playmakers, Isco etc.

One of the world's best dribblers, great at getting others involved but he hasn't really gone to another level since joining Chelsea, which I expected him to. Then again, maybe joining a better team in Madrid who play a counter-attacking style will get more out of him. I've always said if he could be more lethal, he would be one of the world's best, but currently I still feel he's a level or two below.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Yet there would be at least 5 players off the top of my head as good as or far superior to him in the La Liga. You're obviously disregarding everything they have said, no-one is discounting how good of a playmaker he is, simply that for the money it'd cost, you'd expect him to compete with Spain's best. That being a problem in itself, as currently he just doesn't influence games (from a statistical perspective) enough. Madrid already have playmakers, Isco etc.

One of the world's best dribblers, great at getting others involved but he hasn't really gone to another level since joining Chelsea, which I expected him to. Then again, maybe joining a better team in Madrid who play a counter-attacking style will get more out of him. I've always said if he could be more lethal, he would be one of the world's best, but currently I still feel he's a level or two below.

How on Earth is that disregarding everything they've said? It's just my 2 cents on how good he is.

 

[Synco]

I love the technical and showy players, but for that we already have Isco or Asensio. If we pay 100 million I want good numbers.

In that case, Hazard would be the wrong choice. He's closer to Asensio (but much, much better and more versatile of course) than to any of the goalscoring freaks in La Liga.

It's complicated. Under certain circumstances he'd be exactly what Real needs, the missing link for a more structured and creative offensive game based on constant interplay. But these circumstances aren't there atm, and I'm sceptical if a fitting spot can be created for him under B(B?)C/Zidane/Perez conditions.

Worst case would be that his creative potential would be underused (similar to Benzema's) and people would be dissatisfied for him not producing goalscoring stats like Neymar or Ronaldo.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Zidane averaged about 6-10 goals per season but obviously his influence on the game went much deeper than some of his stats would attest, Hazard is similar in the fact that the opposition has to account for his presence on the field at all times, every team currently before a Chelsea game has to gameplan Hazard specifically to stop him as he's just that good.
I don't know why Madrid fans wouldn't want him? he'd add attacking dynamisim, speed, dribbling and just another huge, huge scary presence for the opposition to worry about.
It would be death by a thousand cuts.

 

[prtk0811]

I wanna see English clubs now put up a real fight in european competitons so i would like Him to stay at Chelsea

 

[cyberman]

But he's playing in Spain, of course he'll get great number then everybody will tell us how much he's improved etc etc..

 

[VorZakone]

When Real gets Hazard they can forget about winning the CL for a while. Hazard isn't as good in Europe as he is in the PL.

 

[giorno]

Zidane averaged about 6-10 goals per season but obviously his influence on the game went much deeper than some of his stats would attest, Hazard is similar in the fact that the opposition has to account for his presence on the field at all times, every team currently before a Chelsea game has to gameplan Hazard specifically to stop him as he's just that good.
I don't know why Madrid fans wouldn't want him? he'd add attacking dynamisim, speed, dribbling and just another huge, huge scary presence for the opposition to worry about.
It would be death by a thousand cuts.

He's nowhere near Zidane. He doesn't dominate game like Zidane did, he doesn't have the same consistency throughout the game, and he doesn't have the same ability to control games. Hazard is a direct player, his dribbling is the one thing that makes him world class. Everything else is good, but not truly oustanding.

All in all, he's not worth more than £90M and esoecially he shouldn't be worth that much for real madrid. We're not exactly a bad team in desperate need of change. Hazard should only be an option if we've decided to move on from the BBC in the first place, and we'd have to re-build around him, because the player he is right now is not good enough to be our star player and our current team wouldn't maximize his skillset

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Hazard should only be an option if we've decided to move on from the BBC in the first place

I can imagine that once you've had the BBC everything else would pale in comparison.

 

[prtk0811]

He's nowhere near Zidane. He doesn't dominate game like Zidane did, he doesn't have the same consistency throughout the game, and he doesn't have the same ability to control games. Hazard is a direct player, his dribbling is the one thing that makes him world class. Everything else is good, but not truly oustanding.

All in all, he's not worth more than £90M and esoecially he shouldn't be worth that much for real madrid. We're not exactly a bad team in desperate need of change. Hazard should only be an option if we've decided to move on from the BBC in the first place, and we'd have to re-build around him, because the player he is right now is not good enough to be our star player and our current team wouldn't maximize his skillset

Nither was James Rodriguez Worth the money, Perez is Perez.

 

[giorno]

Nither was James Rodriguez Worth the money, Perez is Perez.

James cost €80M. I'd take hazard in a heartbeat at that price if we're moving on from the BBC.

James also was great playing as an offensive box-to-box for us under Ancelotti. More of a game-winner than hazard, too.

 

[BennyBlanco]

He's nowhere near Zidane. He doesn't dominate game like Zidane did, he doesn't have the same consistency throughout the game, and he doesn't have the same ability to control games. Hazard is a direct player, his dribbling is the one thing that makes him world class. Everything else is good, but not truly oustanding.

All in all, he's not worth more than £90M and esoecially he shouldn't be worth that much for real madrid. We're not exactly a bad team in desperate need of change. Hazard should only be an option if we've decided to move on from the BBC in the first place, and we'd have to re-build around him, because the player he is right now is not good enough to be our star player and our current team wouldn't maximize his skillset

Err I didnt say he was as good as Zidane, I wrote you can't conclude his presence on the pitch based on stat numbers... in the same way as ZZ, jesus christ but thanks for explaining to me why Zidane was an all time great though, really.

 

[Shark]

Why does every half decent player get compared to Zidane one here?

 

[giorno]

Err I didnt say he was as good as Zidane, I wrote you can't conclude his presence on the pitch based on stat numbers... in the same way as ZZ, jesus christ but thanks for explaining to me why Zidane was an all time great though, really.

No, i agree with you about the stats, i was just mentioning that he's still not the same type of player as Zidane, and not good enough for that kind of money anyways, at least right now

 

[The Outsider]

I don't think Hazard will go, I suspect he realises it is better to be a big fish in a little pond rather than small fish in large pond.
Also I think the pressure of living in Madrid would take it's toll.

 

[BlueCelery]

But he's playing in Spain, of course he'll get great number then everybody will tell us how much he's improved etc etc..

It's like Modric who suddenly became the best midfielder in the World after he moved to Madrid after being underrated for years at Tottenham. Easiest league to play in.

 

[Javi]

James cost €80M. I'd take hazard in a heartbeat at that price if we're moving on from the BBC.

James also was great playing as an offensive box-to-box for us under Ancelotti. More of a game-winner than hazard, too.

There is no other way than moving on from BBC, if Hazard joins. Moving on from BBC means that one of the three must go. Ideally Madrid can get rid of Ronaldo, but I don't see that happening, so realistically it would be Benzema. The whole thing could work out, but atm seems really unlikely. The next Galactico is rather a midfield player like Verratti, Pogba or someone like Saul Niguez - that's not saying they're possible though.

 

[BennyBlanco]

No, i agree with you about the stats, i was just mentioning that he's still not the same type of player as Zidane, and not good enough for that kind of money anyways, at least right now

Ya, I also should have written my original post a bit more clearly, I apologise. Moving on..

I don't think Hazard will go, I suspect he realises it is better to be a big fish in a little pond rather than small fish in large pond.
Also I think the pressure of living in Madrid would take it's toll.

Is that what you think will happen or what you hope will happen? I don't know whats in Hazards mind, as a Chelsea fan you'd likely know more of his persona, but from a neutral standpoint.. History has shown us that the allure of Madrid can be difficult to resist, if they throw enough money at Chelsea and it's put in his hands to decide, one may suspect he'd be off.

 

[Skills]

I can imagine that once you've had the BBC everything else would pale in comparison.

 

[The Outsider]

@BennyBlanco Yes I wouldn't put money on it.
An afterthought concerns the challenges, he would probably be more protected on the pitch in La Liga.

 

[BlueCelery]

Ahhh, Callejon, Pedro, Sanchez, Ozil etc could succeed at Madrid/Barca but Hazard on the other hand would fail because he doesn't score 40 goals a season.

Hazard is a player that transcends numbers like @LuisNaniencia implied & that's why we've won 2 of the last 3 titles when he's up for it.

I can't believe people actually rate players based on stats & youtube videos instead of watching games to see their influence. What a time to be alive.

 

[The Outsider]

I can't believe people actually rate players based on stats & youtube videos instead of watching games to see their influence. What a time to be alive.

Agree, you need to see the bigger picture Hazard is normally setting up the likes of Costa or Pedro as much trying to get on the scoresheet himself. Yet he does possess the ability to go past 2 or 3 players himself when the occasion demands it.

 

[salford_]

wont happen this summer. Not a chance IMO unless they offer 100m or something mental. Conte and Hazard seem to have a very good relationship

As much chance of happening as the story Abramovich has agreed a deal with Barca for Neymar, but Conte has said no.

 

[salford_]

Double post

But i think Madrid would have to offer Morata, or James, Isco etc plus a big fee to stand a chance.

 

[carvajal]

If marca's poll is anything to go by(it's really bot but whatever), you're in the majority. Btw, for what it's worth, i mostly agree with you on this. Don't much care about stats, just think he's not worth the kind money it would take to sign, and especially not for us. Not the right player, and he's no neymar, he's not a trascendent player. If we're the break the bank for an attacking player, it has to be dybala, unless mbappe/dembele are moving this summer(in that case we should go for them, think they'll be better than hazard and dybala in a couple years)

We will see.I think Dybala can become something else but there are a lot of noise with Mbappe and the "he is born to play in Madrid".
It's good to see that I am not the only mad thinking that he misses something

In that case, Hazard would be the wrong choice. He's closer to Asensio (but much, much better and more versatile of course) than to any of the goalscoring freaks in La Liga.

It's complicated. Under certain circumstances he'd be exactly what Real needs, the missing link for a more structured and creative offensive game based on constant interplay. But these circumstances aren't there atm, and I'm sceptical if a fitting spot can be created for him under B(B?)C/Zidane/Perez conditions.

Worst case would be that his creative potential would be underused (similar to Benzema's) and people would be dissatisfied for him not producing goalscoring stats like Neymar or Ronaldo.

Yesterday Florentino in an interview(in which he also talked about Mbappe) said that Benzema can stay all his career in Madrid, the best #9 in the world...Blabla.Assuming that Cristiano won't leave this summer the only option It would be selling Karim.
He has too much cache to be in the bench fighting for minutes.
About Hazard,I wonder if Zidane has some master plan to get something else from him and because of that his insistence.

 

[Zoo]

Hopefully they get Hazard. Then James and Morata will be sold with Ronaldo used more as a CF.

 

[Successful]

Or maybe Ronnie will play up top instead of Benzema?

Hazard Ronaldo Bale

I think this is something that's necessary for Real Madrid. Every top club need to have 3 of the best strikers/10's in the world to keep up with each other. Barcelona set the standard with their Neymar, Messi, Suarez thing.

 

[cyberman]

It's like Modric who suddenly became the best midfielder in the World after he moved to Madrid after being underrated for years at Tottenham. Easiest league to play in.

Hazard and Courtois / DDG could sign for Madrid and we'll then be told that world class player don't play in England despite EPL players making up 5 of their starting 11, the spine of the club currently dominating Europe.

 

[King.of.Red]

hopefully it wont happen. although I hate him because he is chelsea player, at least it's a joy for me watching him play in EPL.

 

[MUFC OK]

Will stay one more season, go for CL then leave for RM imo

 

[D2Z]

I had a preconceived idea of his style after a few games with Chelsea, so a few days ago when the rumors started again, I saw a few videos from youtube to get a general idea.
I know that is not the best way to value a player but I wasn´t impressed. Basically always makes the same play, run with the ball dribbling two or three rivals and then pass it.I think he lacks goal. Very good player, but I do not think it's worth 90 or 100 million. I can´t see him becoming a super scorer. I prefer Dybala, Alli, or even risk for Mbappe or Dembele.

Wobble your head mate.

 

[giorno]

Agree, you need to see the bigger picture Hazard is normally setting up the likes of Costa or Pedro as much trying to get on the scoresheet himself. Yet he does possess the ability to go past 2 or 3 players himself when the occasion demands it.

He doesn't set them up as much as he rips defenses apart with his dribbling. With our players and playing style, i'm not sure he'd be as effective for us

We will see.I think Dybala can become something else but there are a lot of noise with Mbappe and the "he is born to play in Madrid".
It's good to see that I am not the only mad thinking that he misses something

I agree about Dybala. Most of all, Dybala plays with a lot of energy and contributes a lot on defence, especially when pressing, much more than Hazard. He'd be a better fit for us. He also is 3 years younger and has greater margin for growth. He'll be clearly better than hazard in 2-3 years maximum

As for Mbappé, depends. Honestly, i'd rather he stays at monaco another season, but if we have to go for him now, i'd be fine with it. Just as long as we structure the deal like the martial one. Paying upwards of £80/90M without addons would be a bit mad right now. Same deal for dembele, although in his case i'm 100% sold. Will be one of the 5 best players in the world by the age of 21/22

If you do sign Hazard, i hope Zizou doesn't see him as a midfielder, i think that would be a trainwreck