Yeah, Yeah..... and Real will still make it to at least the quarter-finals of the Champions League.
Ed Woodward 2019 - Until all Arctic ice melts edition
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Yeah, Yeah..... and Real will still make it to at least the quarter-finals of the Champions League.
Seriously people need to get a grip . We have spent 700 million in 6 years .
That's far than any other club bar City . Liverpool haven't come close to that yet people still can't see that .
There's no percentages here just hard cash . We haven't spent 15% of 700 million or 50% of it we have spent 700 million and we can't make the top 4 .
Our wages are the highest in the land and that's nothing to do with turnover . We don't pay our players 50% of their wages we pay them 100%
Klopp and Pochettino would kill to be backed by their CEO the way our managers have.
Have you any idea of how stupid it is to say we dont spend money when the truth is outsife city we spend more than anyone
Plus City are that even spending much more than us despite their owners .
There's lots of things you can point the finger at the Glazier for but spending money on Transfers and salaries is not one of them
700 million is 700 million on no scale is it less than that . That money went on players they were asked to buy it's not down to them those players didn't deliver . It's down to the managers who asked for them .
That's far than any other club bar City . Liverpool haven't come close to that yet people still can't see that .
There's no percentages here just hard cash . We haven't spent 15% of 700 million or 50% of it we have spent 700 million and we can't make the top 4 .
Our wages are the highest in the land and that's nothing to do with turnover . We don't pay our players 50% of their wages we pay them 100%
Klopp and Pochettino would kill to be backed by their CEO the way our managers have.
Have you any idea of how stupid it is to say we dont spend money when the truth is outsife city we spend more than anyone
Plus City are that even spending much more than us despite their owners .
There's lots of things you can point the finger at the Glazier for but spending money on Transfers and salaries is not one of them
700 million is 700 million on no scale is it less than that . That money went on players they were asked to buy it's not down to them those players didn't deliver . It's down to the managers who asked for them .
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We'll see.
I'd be confident he's out of a job by Christmas.
They have to hit the ground running, supporters will boo Hazard after a game or two max. Most the rest are young lads that are untested at this level of expectation.
They need time to settle and adapt which is not something Real afford staff.
Its a myth that those where high earners. Fellaini was under the six months during his new contract. Both Valencia and Herrera were not. Fella wasnt either before Mourinho insisted on keeping him at that cost.
The contract renewals made since then and the AWB and James purchases more than makes up for that wage-bill wise.
Again if you want facts about what we have invested since 14/15 in total just google it. Its not that complicated,.
Stop making sense.
Weird take.
So if Real end up struggling this year, you take comfort from that? Lets laugh at a club who are showing ambition to get back to their best, lets laugh at at club thats won 3 CL's in a row. While we play in the Europa League and watch Man City and Liverpool slug it out for the league.
Oh well, the ex managers made mistakes singing many expensive dross. Now the club should minimise spending even though we are in dire state and appointed new manager for major rebuild.
TOP Red!
Real has practically invested nothing for a club of their size for a couple of years now. They were due a large transfer window. They will amortise the contracts for their new players over five years and will be fine.
We have been investing a lot year by year and are still amortising the transfer fees for players like Pogba and Lukaku. That plus our gigantic wage bill is why we cant act as Real this window.
That the money we have spent has not been used effectiively enough is another issue.
Yes because if someone sells you ten duds then asks you to pay twice the worth of another one you would just pay up wouldn't you ?
Behave yourself we will still spend before the window is out and we have a good team with some very promising younger players coming through .
Add to that a manager who unlike Jose actually wants to be here and is positive about us and how he wants to play and yes I'm excited by our prospects
Woodward has done an appalling job this summer,absolutely terrible.
Lets see if he can pull something out of the bag with less than 2 weeks to go.
Going into the season with what we have now and i think we will finish between 6th and 10th.
Lets see if he can pull something out of the bag with less than 2 weeks to go.
Going into the season with what we have now and i think we will finish between 6th and 10th.
It's a very strange logic. Instead of looking at the incompetency of our top management to establish a structure in the football club, we are supposed to minimise spending and put our trust in a rookie manager and academy players. Tell that logic to any other big club. I wish football is so simple.
Top Top red.
Why take joy from Madrid trying and potentially failing to get back to their best while we are in the Europa League and will again have to watch the league title go to either Man City or Liverpool?
I was not taking joy from anyone. I was making an objective statement/argument as to why Real can act in a way that most other clubs cant this summer. I should have added the Ronaldo transfer and how it freed up their wage bill.
And I am not giving up the title to the Abu Dhabi FC or the scousers before a football has even been kicked this season. No real United supporter should IMO:
I meant Keefy, not you.
And sorry to break it to you but we are not finishing above Man City or Liverpool this season.
I say we are until we are not. We will see I guess.
Fair play to you but I'm personally preparing for a battle with Arsenal & Chelsea for 4th.
The 700 millions may seem a lot. But we had years and years of underinvestment under Fergie, which wasn't a problem back then as he was a genius, but it hunted us after his reign.
The 700 millions also can't hide the fact our last window was shite and this one is as well so far.
Through out this thread and the idiotic Glazer out thread, Real Madrid have been the go to template of how we should be doing things. It's routinely been used as a stick to beat the club with for about 2 months now.
Fact is as I've pointed out multiple times to the folks who can't accept facts is that Real have woefully under invested in their team now for 3-4 seasons. We have out spent Real in 3 of the last 5 transfer windows, but folks ignore this.
We've spent more on Pogba and Fred then they spent on players between 2015 - 2018. Ignored.
Funny you mention "ambition" also, cause that was another word thrown around and our supporters on here and the glazer out thread cite their transfer splurge this summer as evidence of "ambition".
Did we therefore not show ambition between 2013 to this summer? When we routinely smashed all kinds of transfer records? Did we not show ambition by doubling our wage bill (just about) by 46% for Jose between 2016-18?
But Jose wasn't backed right?
They piss n moan about last summer but ignore the numbers behind the Sanchez transfer which has set the club back at least £150m between his wages, agent fees, sign on fee and the rest. But wonder why funds weren't so freely available 5 months later to him?
The narrative spun by the negative Glazer out sort supporting our club is contradictory, unfounded and matter of fact untrue.
We may spent a vast figure but it has got wasted. I think Woody wasted so much money that he is reluctant to spend much this window. That is why a think we should have brought in the DoF/technical director earlier and I don't think we would be in the mess we are in now.
If we had a DoF he could work with Ole to identify the areas in the team that need improving, then decide the profile of players we need, then choose to purchase the players that fit these profiles. Then all Woody would have to do is purchase these players and work on negotiating their contracts, so he can then focus on the commercial aspect which he is good at.
I think Woody has so much confidence in his own football knowledge that he is unwilling to take advice from people who have far greater knowledge about football than him, like Ole.
Regarding the amount of money we pay in wages I would expect results which reflect this massive outlay which is not happening.
One of our problems is the amount that we pay in wages as we pay wages that other teams wouldn't pay and then if they are unsuccessful we will find it hard to sell because the other teams won't pay them what we will.
Thats great mate. You spend the season celebrating Madrid losing.
This needs at least half the stadium to be empty.. I doubt this will happen. Alot of fans on here are still behind Ed not realising the squad has not been good enough, fake promises and all.
Ole wouldn't care what has been spent, If he is not backed then you cannot say all managers have been backed.
we had one of the lowest in 2017/18, but Spurs were the lowest iirc
What makes you so certain will sign anymore players before the end of the window?
You are trying to prove that posters using Madrid's recent spending to highlight our failures is pointless? I see that. My point was, feck Madrid. We're still shit regardless. We're still in the Europa League and we will again have to watch Liverpool or Man City win the league this coming season.
I'd like to see the club run better than it has been, to fulfill its potential. Surely you agree?
Yes, we have spent £700m, but that doesn't mean we spent it well.
It's what you do with it, and what we did with it seems to have not worked out very well.
It's what you do with it, and what we did with it seems to have not worked out very well.
Yes true but how's that's Ed's fault or even the Glaziers .
They bought who the managers wanted and as you say it didn't work out very well .
Therefore how can you blame them for not wanting to pay over the odds again unless they are sure it's going to pay off ?
Exactly, we've spent an incredible amounts of money between 2013-17 but those funds were mis-managed. Who's going to take accountability for that? Scouting structure is still the same, Woodward and Judge and rest of the gang is still running the business. The only fall guy for those funds seems to always be the manager. Why are we still persisting with such an archaic setup? Why not have a specific team who's in-charge of transfers and management of the squad so this process can be more efficient?
@lsd We spent a lot of money for 5 years. Fact of the matter is after a 2nd placed finished under Mourinho, funds have dried up. We only spent £64 million last summer, did nothing in January. In current window we've spent only £63 million. Given the dire state of our squad, that's simply not enough. Glazers have to either pump the money back into the squad or hire competent people so their funds are not wasted. At the moment, they are doing neither.
Nope, it was the anti glazer kind using it as a stick to beat our club as proof that we were failing.
As in, Look at how professional Madrid are spending loads. Sure we don't spend (wrong), they get transfers done quickly (fat lot of good its done them) and we are amateur in comparison. It's idiotic to use.
Madrid compete in a 2 horse race league and have finished 3rd twice the last 2 seasons.
We compete in a far more competitive league than they ever will.
City will no doubt win the league again but I've a sneaking suspicion Liverpool will drop off considerably this year.
Woody needs to grow some balls realise he he made mistakes and wasted millions and that he needs help. I think he has been bit too many times that's why he hasn't been prepared to spend the necessary funds in the last 2 windows, that is why we should have had A DoF in years ago.
If this season doesn't go well he is going to make Ole the scapegoat which isn't fair. I agree with the part in bold but I don't think that Woody is willing to listen to the opinions of people who know a lot about football as he values his own opinion so high despite the sh!te we are in.
Except they haven't really been buying who the manager wants. Right back to Moyes and LVG.
Jose and Ole both want CBs and nothing has come of that. Both were told Jones and Smalling were good enough.
As for paying over the odds? Just look at Fellini. Woodward let his release clause expire and ended up paying more for him on deadline day. He flew home from Australia on 'Emergency transfer business' at the start of our 2013 tour in the middle of July and by the day before the window closed.... nothing.
Has he gotten some managers targets? Yes, but he has made many mistakes and over-ruled managers.
How long did Woodward spend in talks for AWB and Dan James? Yet in the end, weeks after talks started for both. Gave exactly what the clubs said they wanted... on day 1.
Woodward spends to long in talks, and that has knock on effects the rest of the window on his 'one at a time' policy.
Regarding your first point in bold I think it better to get payers brought in as soon as possible, so they have more time to get used to the managers methods and gel with them.
Regarding the second point in bold we are not even competing which I feel we would be if we hadn't wasted millions these last few years.
The big in bold isn't true at all, do you realize the numbers behind the Sanchez transfer? It's easily costing the club £150m over the duration of Sanchez contract.
A large portion of those funds were paid up front as per our financial reports proved.
This is why the "Jose wasn't backed last summer" argument is rubbish!
Ideally but it rarely happens, most clubs get them around mid to late July or most even early August.
We've a history of leaving deals til late and I don't mean just under the Glazers / Woodward.
May as well of given Gill the nickname Deadline day Dave. Folks are forgetting Rooney, Berba, RVP, Tevez and even Ronaldo were all signed very late in the window or deadline day.
I thought it at the time, it was going to feck us over in the future. What a stupid mistake paying such ludicrous wages as any player we sign who thinks they are are on his level or better are going to want at least the same amount of wages and they know Woody is stupid enough to pay themThe big in bold isn't true at all, do you realize the numbers behind the Sanchez transfer? It's easily costing the club £150m over the duration of Sanchez contract.
A large portion of those funds were paid up front as per our financial reports proved.
This is why the "Jose wasn't backed last summer" argument is rubbish!
Just because we leave deals until the end of the window still doesn't make it right and I have always felt that way.
You can't say this team is a 700m team though.
It includes the likes of Di Maria, Schneiderlin etc, who are long gone.
How much has our actual current squad cost? That's a more interesting figure. Probably still about 350-400m, but it's more relevant, as we have them in the building still!
What's this '£30m transfer fee' that doesn't exist?The big in bold isn't true at all, do you realize the numbers behind the Sanchez transfer? It's easily costing the club £150m over the duration of Sanchez contract.
A large portion of those funds were paid up front as per our financial reports proved.
This is why the "Jose wasn't backed last summer" argument is rubbish!
I thought it at the time, it was going to feck us over in the future. What a stupid mistake paying such ludicrous wages as any player we sign who thinks they are are on his level or better are going to want at least the same amount of wages and they know Woody is stupid enough to pay them
But if Woodward hadn't signed Sanchez, then he is blamed for not supporting the manager.
When he signs the player he is also blamed.
Which is what I've said throughout this thread and fecking daft of our supporters.
Rewind back to just before signing Sanchez, he was easily top 3 forwards / attackers in the league still. Kane and Aguero were the only to ahead of him in Dec 2017.
There was no transfer fee involved but because of that then he could demand massive wages and obviously because of his performances up to that point.
If he had delivered and not been routinely injured since the signing none of us would care what he earns.
On a side note, I've only recently read his had a single month off to recover in 5 years. He's gone from premier league to champions league to international duty and everything in between non stop. I'm not overly surprised the injuries are catching up with him now, especially considering how much he works per game.