We aren't. One of the biggest but definitely not according to club valuations or history.
Ed Woodward 2019 - Until all Arctic ice melts edition
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We aren't. One of the biggest but definitely not according to club valuations or history.
Its a wonder the Glazers don't appoint some of the resident Caf members to the job as CEO, given how easy it is to get the deals over the line
How silly is this post at this point in time? Are you saying fans should not express opinions or voice their discontent with an incompetent management?
Self immolations? I like that. Opportunity for a new sponsorship? Zippo lighters? BP?
There is no major rebuilding whatsoever. Its all Woodworth PR stunt.
I don't understand what's the point of appointing Ole when you don't back him in the market. A squad needing a major rebuild signing only 2 players and none of them are world class, really?
Ed did the same last season giving Jose contract extension without backing him in the market. It's really baffling.
I don't understand what's the point of appointing Ole when you don't back him in the market. A squad needing a major rebuild signing only 2 players and none of them are world class, really?
Ed did the same last season giving Jose contract extension without backing him in the market. It's really baffling.
I’m saying fans criticising Woodward without having an understanding of what’s going on behind the scenes and making wild assumptions sound stupid.
I’m also saying doing a transfer deal is probably a little bit more tricky than people realise.
Well the cynic would say he’s so desperate for the job, he’s not going to make demands, happy to use what he has and blood youngsters and therefore is the ‘cheap’ option. His personality seems like he’d be easy to work with and the club might think he can be controlled, certainly easier than LVG and Mourinho.
Plus his status means he’ll be afforded more time before he’s turned on if/when it all goes tits up.
People are actually criticising him because hes reluctant to overpay for players . He is the CEO of one of the biggest franchises in the world. A franchise that he has done so much to turn into the 3 billion company it us today . Yet people expect him to pay over the odds for players not worth the price .
Atletico Madrid have supposedly done 20 transfers in/out this window. we spent around a month haggling for a crystal palace fullback to end up paying what they wanted anyway.
Yea I understand it's not as easy as ABC but a club who is really intent on returning to the echelon should have done more than just AWB and DJ at this point in the transfer window. Last year for instance; we added just Fred and Dalot instead of pushing City for the title considering we finished 2nd. I know I don't like everything about Real Madrid but that's an example of how a top club who have the footballing interests at the forefront of their institution rebuild.
I understand fans will never know all that go on behind the scenes but you really can't blame those who are fidgety at this stage because similar to last year, the signs are ominous as we speak concerning us having a successful window.
While this is true, Atleti are worse off now than they were last season. Negotiations are very different when a team doesn't want to sell. Not defending Ed by any means but it's not always a straight forward comparison.
Exactly.
People think because Ed isn’t necessarily a “football person” he doesn’t know how to run the club and/or do what’s best for the business.
Ridiculous.
sorry mate doesn't wash with me. They had since xmas to plan for this window and back the manager (which is what Ed publicly said they would be doing) in a clear window with no world cup/euro excuses to hide behind. That's without the Ed email leaks to staff (
) about the pains of an inflated market.Weve brought in ONE player that improves us, (minus a weaker midfield) its truly pathetic. They want to lowball their targets but expect to sell lukaku for £80m. if people think this is acceptable for a club our stature, then yes the Glazers and his right hand man have played an absolute blinder on you
This is the correct answer, Ole is in his dream job. He got it despite having zero credentials for it, why would he rock the boat?
There will have to be an epic meltdown (surpassing last season) which results in Ole getting the boot for match-going fans to ask for accountability from higher ups. Until, we have someone who can take the blame (apart from manager) this circus will continue.
I don't consider this a successful transfer at the moment by any means. Besides Felix who they paid a release clause for, what player brought in by Ateltico would you consider a top target or even a hard transfer to complete? Real Madrid have been unable to buy Pogba, a player they supposedly planned for, because United do not want to sell. AWB and Maguire come from clubs who are not in need of selling, which will always make negotiations more difficult. It's not low-balling, it's negotiating. Are United suppose to pay whatever the asking price for a player is? And on the flip side, take whatever offer a buying team offers? Now this should have been anticipated and if we don't have a contingency plan in place than Ed and the rest are as clueless as some believe.sorry mate doesn't wash with me. They had since xmas to plan for this window and back the manager (which is what Ed publicly said they would be doing) in a clear window with no world cup/euro excuses to hide behind. That's without the Ed email leaks to staff (
Weve brought in ONE player that improves us, (minus a weaker midfield) its truly pathetic. They want to lowball their targets but expect to sell lukaku for £80m. if people think this is acceptable for a club our stature, then yes the Glazers and his right hand man have played an absolute blinder on you
Good post. I agree with all of it. The point in bold is particularly concerning. Woody talking a load of crap again. When I heard they were planning for this window months ago, I thought that Woody had actually changed and was willing to listen to someone with football knowledge: Ole. I predicted big things for this transfer window but feel very badly let down by Woody and hope he does something special in the next 2 weeks, which I seriously doubt he is going to do. I realise we are in a rebuild which is going to take more than one window but the rate we are moving at we are going to fall further behind our rivals.sorry mate doesn't wash with me. They had since xmas to plan for this window and back the manager (which is what Ed publicly said they would be doing) in a clear window with no world cup/euro excuses to hide behind. That's without the Ed email leaks to staff (
Weve brought in ONE player that improves us, (minus a weaker midfield) its truly pathetic. They want to lowball their targets but expect to sell lukaku for £80m. if people think this is acceptable for a club our stature, then yes the Glazers and his right hand man have played an absolute blinder on you
What else have they done this window?
You're obviously not getting the point I'm trying to make. Leicester and Palace benefit more a successful PL campaign than they would from selling players. That's not the case with the teams that Real Madrid made deals with. Credit to Real for getting these deals done quickly. If our strategy was to buy players from other PL teams - which seems to be the case - then this was always going to be a window with long drawn out negotiations. Savic and Bruno, if we are truly interested, would be much easier targets, than say Longstaff and Maguire. When you consider that Leicester want a fee similar to what Chelsea received for Hazard, that shows you their willingness to sell. You can prepare as much as you want, but when the other team does not want to sell, then it really doesn't matter.
Hazard - Chlesea had no choice but to sell.
Jovic - Frankfurt (Selling club)
Militao - Porto (Selling club)
Mendy - Lyon (Selling club)
All the abuse he will get if we don't sign any more players before the window closes is completely deserved.
if that was the case, then they would have known full well they would be digging deep for that. Bruno has been hanging on us all summer, to the point where he has said in the last few days I want to play in England and this might be my last game here. why havnt we bid if its so easy to do?. He will cost around 70m while longstaff will cost half that, which the cynic will say that's how the board are looking at things
You are confusing me with some other poster. I would never use the words "net spend" except ridiculing it for not being relevant in any sense whatsoever.
So the investment made in the club by it's owners is irrelevant?
We have not had an "investment" in the club for 30something years. Do you think Cubic put money into United?
So yeah, irrelevant.
And even if you could put money into the club directly; FFP limits it to 30m a year. Which buys you Maguires left leg or something.
Just Google reality before you post. That would make the Caf a better place.
Ed not backing his managers despite outspending any other club , and shelling out money for 6 centre backs currently at the club yet being asked to spend 80 million on another one .
I dont think Ed is the incompetent one as regards our team
Maybe because some of those other clubs they have delegates the role of recruitment and negotiation to someone more qualified, something Woody refuses to do
Which clubs have we outspent? Fulham spent more than us last year and were relegated. We have only spent more than 130m once. Look at how much city spend. Look at how much Liverpool spend. These are the teams we must match.
420 million in the past five years more than twice every other premiership club bar City .
Liverpool have spent 114 million in that time
Net spend
Since Sir Alex left we have spent over 680 million not counting this window
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Atleast they spent on quality. And they didn't allow an already bulging wage bill to go out of bounds by signing a declining player in Sanchez.
And if the managers are incompetent, who takes the responsibility? Who appointed them in first place?
Just because he has spent 700m absolute dross, doesn't absolve him of any blame.
It does when the thread is about blaming him for not spending money and backing his manager as he obviously does and he's not to blame for who we buy or how they perform
I am sorry but he clearly hasn't backed 2 different managers in two seasons now.
As the guy who rules all at the club, who is responsible for hiring the managers, signing the players, (and not signing the players), then yes he is to blame.
If he won't remove himself from a role he is clearly not cut out for then he should be removed, but it seems he is totally untouchable for non footballing reasons.
He didn't choose Moyes and most people were behind LVG , Jose and Ole when they were made manager .
You will be blaming him for the weather next
What are you talking about? We all know why he's in the job he is, and it has nothing to do with him been qualified for it, as has been proven in no uncertain terms.
It honestly baffles me that he still has support, but I guess the briefings, shifting the blame, etc, really works for him.
Yeah, I make it:
Gill: Smalling, Jones
Woodward: Rojo, Lindelof, Bailey
Academy: Tuanzebe
Is it my shite English or is there an implication in his statement that Woodward brought in 6 CBs though?
Not your English, I was backing up your claim.
He bought 3 and gave the others new contracts at the managers request he didn't do off his own back.
People keep saying he doesn't spend money or back his managers
700 million and the highest wage bill proves that wrong.
Repeat of last summer. This guy is a fricking moron and is destroying the club.
We are far away actually. United fans overestimate the club it is painful
Him and the Glazers are. Ole is bound to fail and it will just moving on like that