You do wonder how people think the process works? Certainly they are not naïve enough to think that managers just suddenly decide on a whim who they want and change that the next day, then decide on someone else a week later all while having minimal contact with the person at the club who does the negotiations?
Duncan Castles : Jose Mourinho on collision course with Ed Woodward over Manchester United transfers
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You do wonder how people think the process works? Certainly they are not naïve enough to think that managers just suddenly decide on a whim who they want and change that the next day, then decide on someone else a week later all while having minimal contact with the person at the club who does the negotiations?
Nevermind.
'Hey Ed, it's Maureen here, just get me anything you like really, those players better be good though, see you.'
It's actually mind-fecking-boggling that some people would try to spin the A, B, C list stuff against Mourinho. Guy's preparing his shit for the case that we don't make the CL because quite obviously things change should that happen, gives Woodward the list long before the window opens and the season ends and some somehow come to a conclusion that it's some sort of an audacity.
You said Conte isn't pitching in the market about his targets not secured and when we told you that exactly what happened all journalists reported that he's willing to leave and very angry of Chelsea not doing anything in the market and he's about to crash with Roman on transfers, your replay was he didn't leave ?!
So you're willing to not believe all reports about Conte but will happily believe the same reports from the same journalists about Jose because you just hate the man, precious really.
Good job.
Conte has not b!tched about his players to the press, neither has he mentioned that he has passed his wanted list to the CEO. Get back to me when he does quit Chelsea because of lack of signings.
So then there is no added pressure because the process is working exactly how it is supposed to work. Remember YOU claimed it was Jose who added pressure by simply stating the process was working as you now agree it is supposed to work. And that was hardly running to the press behind anyone's back, he said it during an interview.
You seem to have a narrative in mind about Jose and are unwilling to actually engage any thought before throwing your toys out of the pram. Grow up already.
That's not the point, you claimed Conte and Pepe haven't used the media to b!tch and push there agenda. When Conte actually has. He or his people used the media to basically say... "if you don't want me to leave, then sign some players"...
This isn't going to end well.
Is it time to replace Woody with a DOF?
Is it time to replace Woody with a DOF?
"its only the end of june", "its only the beginning of july", "the transfer window starts in july", "transfer dealings are incredibly complex and require years of work"
get it together Ed
get it together Ed
Jose neither, he just said he gave his list to Ed and he has till 31 Aug to get him the players, is this b!tching lol ?
I do have a narrative in mind with Jose. I simply do not like him. As for handing in the list and mentioning that to the press, how many other managers have done that? Surely all of them have a list that they gave to their chairman or whoever is handling the transfers. How many of them mentioned that in the press? That was Mourinho placing the pressure Woodward ahead of the transfer window.
Maureen needs to get an effin grip, Ed's got this.
*Saw this leak coming, as many of us did to be fair.
*Saw this leak coming, as many of us did to be fair.
You really are behaving like an idiot now. You are having goes at Jose for the same reports in the press that the same sources were reporting the same thing about Conte and guess what Jose has not quit United. You have admitted that the process at United is working how it is supposed to regarding Jose giving Ed the list, so since everyone knows that is how it is supposed to work, why does it bother you that much that it got mentioned in the press that the process is working exactly how it is supposed to work to NO ONE's surprise.
You really ought to take a break, give your brain a chance to catch up with your fingers.
If this is on Jose's instructions to put out such a piece then this is a big problem. The below para applies to Jose if there is any truth to the info that Jose was behind this leak.
Ed is not the issue. When there were leaks in the media at Madrid, Jose lost his head and now he has the audacity to go against Ed. If he has an issue with the transfers, it should have been kept internal rather than putting a piece in the media. Such shameful tactics. If he wanted to show that he was in the clear and Ed was delaying the transfers, he should have himself come out and given an update rather than using a useless journalist to do his bidding. Had to happen someday with Jose at United.
Ed is not the issue. When there were leaks in the media at Madrid, Jose lost his head and now he has the audacity to go against Ed. If he has an issue with the transfers, it should have been kept internal rather than putting a piece in the media. Such shameful tactics. If he wanted to show that he was in the clear and Ed was delaying the transfers, he should have himself come out and given an update rather than using a useless journalist to do his bidding. Had to happen someday with Jose at United.
That's why I'm saying, come back to me when Conte leaves over player signings.
I bet every single manager has handed in his list and the fact that Jose mentioned it means nothing unless you are looking for reasons to whine about him like a little child.
I doubt very much Ed reading that in the paper changed at all how he views what his job is, unless he is a moron who had no clue.
See, something like that would get me a warning. I will leave you to live in your blissful ignorance.
The thing is, it's not a leak. It started with deBrun making it up over the weekend and then some other journos hopped on board. There was a similar made up story about Jose last summer, already linked in this thread. And Conte had a similar story about him just a week or so ago.
Come back to us when Jose leaves then.
If this is true he might down tools before the season starts,he is still grieving for his father and might just say feck this.
Woodward successes:
1) Pogba from Juventus (everyone wanted him)
2) Mikhi from Dortmund (tough club to deal with unless your Bayern)
3) Martial from Monaco (in a few days got it done as far as LVG account goes)
4) Herrera from Bilbao (notoriously difficult club to deal with)
5) Di Maria from Real Madrid (absolute pricks)
Woodword Failures:
1) Fellaini (probably down to dithering Moyes that we got him for more than buyout clause)
2) Fabio Coentrao (you can't let dithering Moyes leave it that late)
3) Kroos, Ronaldo, Bale (these are fantasy targets)
4) Griezmann (Atletico Transfer Ban)
5) Fabregas (should have gotten this one over, probably didn't want to play under Moyes)
6) Pedro (chose Chelsea, can't do much about that)
I don't think Woodward is the issue here. Inter want to bleed us dry for Perisic and Woodward rightly doesn't want to over spend on a winger that only Mourinho will consider useful and the next manager will discard if Mourinho doesn't work out. Chelsea don't want to sell Matic until they can get their midfield sorted (nothing Woodward can do about that). Morata is moving along as far as the report says.
What do you expect Woodward to do with the targets that Mourinho has identified (if we believe the press)?
Mourinho has a history of using the media for his b!tching. He has done that at every club he has been at.
I dont understand Mourinho & Castle ' strategy here . Shifting blame early ?
From Glazers' eyes paying 100m for Perisic & Matic is idiotic. Those names aint exactly marketable and they'd worth 5 m each in 2 years. And why must it be them? Where're the alts ? We're paying premium for squad players. Glazers would fire Mourinho 5 times before they fire Ed.
Both parties at fault here but I'm with Ed on this one. We definitely need a DoF though
From Glazers' eyes paying 100m for Perisic & Matic is idiotic. Those names aint exactly marketable and they'd worth 5 m each in 2 years. And why must it be them? Where're the alts ? We're paying premium for squad players. Glazers would fire Mourinho 5 times before they fire Ed.
Both parties at fault here but I'm with Ed on this one. We definitely need a DoF though
Jose. Answered a reporters question after the Europa victory. He was hardly to know some of his targets would be difficult. Hardly Ed's fault.
Who knows if some of the targets have not been secured?Just waiting for them to finish their holidays so they can be presented to the media.
Who knows if some of the targets have not been secured?Just waiting for them to finish their holidays so they can be presented to the media.
With all due respect but every serious club in the world has financial constraints and will show concerns if the manager go OTT. Look around you. Ancelotti had already said that he won't be spending silly money on Sanchez. Conte was forced to resign at Juventus because the club refused to go toe to toe against Chelsea for Cuadrado. Even SAF had to work with constraints and we're talking here about a proven winner who kept winning throughout his entire career not someone who lost his job at Chelsea and whose former 2 clubs are better off without him.
Now lets focus on Mou's career at United shall we? Mou spent 157m last year which is a club record. Sure he added 4 decent players to the team but he hardly filled our cabinet with trophies either. Cynics might say that 157m for the league cup and its European equivalent is quite a steep price to pay. However, the club is happy with Mou reaching the minimum requirements (ie CL qualification) and had already shown eagerness to back him up. In matter of fact we've already signed Lindelof.
Having said that its one thing backing the manager off and its another throwing money in the bin. 50m for a 28 year old whose hardly world class is crazy same as spending 40m for a player Chelsea will sell if they bring in an upgrade. United's dynasty was built around careful spending not on buying 28 year olds for crazy money.
Now if Mou feels such constraints are a bit too much then he can always resign. I will be very surprised if he ends up with a club who'll give him as much e-way and money to spend as we do. Moratti was a Mou softie but if the latter spent 157m to bring 2 plastic cups then rest assured that he would crucify him.
And Conte whom you said never talk about his clubs transfers or attack them before and "come only when he leaves Chelsea", left Juventus already during the preseason because they didn't bring him the players he wants.
Learn to read. I did not mention anywhere that Mourinho has threatened to leave. I hope Woody makes a stand against any drama that Mourinho tries to create.
Some of you guys need to have a word with yourselves. If transfers don't work out we still support the team. Transfers, or lack of them are not the end of the club.
Some of us have been saying this for ages...... need some control here. Ed is not qualified in this respect. Sure he can do a straight forward negotiation, but he's at he mercy of the manager. There should be someone there with greater knowledge who can communicate properly with the manager on his 'targets' on whatever. Not tell the manager what to do, but negotiate with him so that decisions taken are in both the interests of the club and team.
Conte went to manage the national team. You mentioned that he has threatened to quit Chelsea over signings, I believe that to be untrue. So that is why I mentioned you can bring this back up when he does leave because of a signing.
Sadly it feels more and more like you are wasting your breath.
I'm beginning to loathe an increasing part of our support.
What's him leaving for a national team means anything ?
He left Juve because they didn't get him what they want. It's very known story and ask any Juve fan about it and will say the same.I told you're not believing the stories about Conte but willing to believe any scrap written about Jose going to crash with Ed for only one reason which is your hate to him.
You either believe both or deny both, as they both came from Castles.You're proved wrong in your claim from the start that Conte didn't b!tch about the transfers, just move on.
What's him leaving for a national team means anything ?
I told you're not believing the stories about Conte but willing to believe any scrap written about Jose going to crash with Ed for only one reason which is your hate to him.
You're proved wrong in your claim from the start that Conte didn't b!tch about the transfers, just move on.
Again, for the last time, come back to me with this when Conte leaves Chelsea over lack of signings. You brought this up about him threatening to leave Chelsea, so I am telling to you to come back once he is gone. Don't give that shite about him leaving Juventus for the national team because of lack of signings.
Just like you brought up all your nonsense talking about Jose b!itching in the media about the transfers and using the press for his agenda based on the same reports done by the same journalists but sure you want to believe what you want
And Conte left Juve for the national team only ?
Anyone who knows this story knows exactly why he left and all die hard Juve fans know this very clear but I'm sure you weren't following them at this time and making assumptions of your mind. Think this is enough as anyone will see clearly who has the logic in this discussion.
Woodward has backed every single one of his managers in the transfer market, even the dithering idiot Moyes. The lack of signings in the first summer transfer window was maybe down to his own inexperience, but mostly down to Moyes being a dithering idiot. Since that summer, he has backed his managers with top class signings, but they are the ones who have been letting him down without mounting a serious title challenge. There is only so much he can do if a club is not willing to sell their players, or they are asking a ridiculous amount. Everyone would be up for Woody's blood if he he paid 50-60 million for Perisic, or 100 million for Morata.
4 x in 2 posts is excessive @el3mel
in 2 posts is excessive @el3melJose putting pressure on Ed lol I'm fed up all this transfer window on the cafe. I'm telling you it gets worse every passing year. Let's judge Ed and Jose after the window closes. Ed obviously trying his best but he has two masters to make happy and then the other problem of negotiations with the selling club. I'd say stay patient.
Like I always say, it's just Internet warriors. The matchgoing fans, thankfully, are not this bad.
How do you think we had done if we had not bought those 4 "decent" players? Last summer was the first in a long time we bought well and players worthy of being United players. Of course Mourinho would like for his signings to be done before the pre season tour and that´s understandable. The fact of the matter is that we are lacking a lot of quality in the squad that needs to be fixed if we are going to be able to compete for the title and do well in the CL. Is it so unrealistic to expect a club of United´s stature and financial strength to be able to get the best players? Of course we are bringing through young players and that´s very important but we have to add really top players also to take us forward. I think United can not afford to stand still so hopefully there will be something happening soon.