I am very unclear on your levels of worry!
The manager has no right to put our business out in the press. That is unacceptable. If he has a problem, go and give Woodward a blast - behind closed doors.I love this article and I'm almost certain this is coming from our manager. I think Mourinho is spot on. He's a ruthless winner and he did this at Chelsea. I'm not saying we haven't got enough time to get players in but Mourinho in his 2nd season at Chelsea went and bought Matic, Fabregas, Costa and Andre Shurrle and won the league. If for example we weren't getting results last season Mourinho would get the blame. Ed is not a negotiator. He's a world class marketing executive and bloody good one at that but I think we need a director of football. David Gill was shrewd and he just knew how to get the deal done. More often than not we were closing deals before other clubs got involved. I.e. Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani signings come to mind.
Mourinho I feel knows what he wants and that fills me with confidence. He has every right to push for these deals to be done. Getting players in early is vitally important as players need time to settle. I'll be happy to add Morata, Matic & Perisic to our team as let's face it all would improve what we currently have. Morata to replace Zlatan up top. Perisic to offer guile and and directness on that wing and Matic to free up Pogba.
I don't want to many signings. I want those 3 mentioned above. Don't forget we have amazing players in Mata and Micky T. Get those players in ASAP. Please
Our manager is not interested in doing that. He wants work horses - that's what gets him excited/Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
Haha ok, I admit it I am really worried. Put it this way:
I don't want Perisic: he costs too much for his quality, he's 29, he's a journeyman footballer that's has never really done much.
I don't want Matic: see the first two points for Perisic.
I don't want Morata: His goalscoring record is rubbish for his price. Lacazette is going to Arsenal for less than £50m. He has scored over 20 goals in 4 straight seasons. I would rather go for him.
Any player I seem to want is linked with our rivals.
That last line is from before the Europa League final. It's not like he has said it in the last couple of days.A lot of criticism on Ed in this article. Last line is really worrying if true.
Wish we'd stop imposing impossible expectations on Rashford and Martial, especially when it comes to flippantly comparing them with two of the best young performers (in tangible terms) of the last 2 decades. Rooney was a Ballon D'Or Top 10 player at age 19, and Ronaldo averaged Ballon D'Or 17th in 2005 and 2006 apart from featuring in the UEFA Team of the Year at age 19 - neither Rashford nor Martial are close to that level, and our season could well crash and burn with them up top given how inconsistent their decision-making is - which is entirely understandable given the progression of their careers to date. Not to mention, we don't have bedrock players like Giggs, Rio, Neville, close to peak Scholes to anchor the entire team in the absence of more experienced players in key positions. We definitely need the reinforcements - even though they don't seem appealing at face value, as long as they fit Mourinho's vision - he's a master of extracting the maximum out of relatively un-fancied teams provided they follow his tactical plan.Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney.
Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
I think there's a good point within here that a lot don't agree with/miss out on. For all the talk about potential signings, there's a lot here at Mourinho's disposal that realistically he should be doing better with. That's not to say I agree with the idea of not signing anybody, I just don't feel we're in such dire need to overhaul, or anything.Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
I think there's a good point within here that a lot don't agree with/miss out on. For all the talk about potential signings, there's a lot here at Mourinho's disposal that realistically he should be doing better with. That's not to say I agree with the idea of not signing anybody, I just don't feel we're in such dire need to overhaul, or anything.
I think there's a good point within here that a lot don't agree with/miss out on. For all the talk about potential signings, there's a lot here at Mourinho's disposal that realistically he should be doing better with. That's not to say I agree with the idea of not signing anybody, I just don't feel we're in such dire need to overhaul, or anything.
i agree, Pochettino would have this lot playing far better simply through coaching, although it has to be noted that his methods have yet to yield any trophies. Mourinho has only one way of doing things im afraid, and that's his own way. Why would he change a proven and repeatable formula that has brought him success in every league he has coached in?
He will buy what he thinks he needs to get the job done, irrespective of the talent already within the squad. I expect CF to be his top priority because it always has been, and we haven't currently got one who fits his bill. No way Rashford or Martial will be first choice CF this season, again irrespective of talent, simply too inconsistent and too inexperienced to be reliable enough over a full season, and i would have to agree with him on that.
He better not depend on Rooney or he'll learn the hard way like LVG, and be sacked unceremoniously as Rooney will well and truly give us nothing.I agree, PPL keep moaning about our lack of width, for me its not the width we missing, its more of we not using the pitch enough and Mourinho's tactics. The fact he cannot get much out of herrera, pogba, mkhi, martial, mata and rashford I would raise my eyebrow. What we have been lacking is our style of play, we don't play with tempo or stretch the play. And the fact he thinks spending 50 million on a 29 year old is good business shows how deluded mourinho is, if its true. Of course we will need more firepower, and DM. I am all for strengthening our wide positions if the options are there, at the moment there does not seem to be nothing out there, and our scouting is not doing a good job. The worry is who we have signed on a new contract, and keeping the passengers who should be out the door. Worst case scenario, rooney remains a big part of our season which at this rate I can see happening, since he will want experience upfront to replace zlaten
He better not depend on Rooney on he'll learn the hard way like LVG and sacked unceremoniously as Rooney will well and truly give us nothing.
Agreed with what you said re his coaching methods - impossible that all those attacking players were all shit at the same time. He needs to add some attacking coaches to his backroom staff, but of course he won't do it. I can see us still struggling next season even if we were buying Ronaldo imho.
It doesn't make sense for Mourinho to be doing this - I imagine the source is somebody like De Brun who is fishing in much the same way Castle is. Why would Mourinho put pressure on Woodward through an average sports journalist like Castle so early in the transfer window? He'd just check in with Woodward directly.
Jose just letting everyone know that his list was in early, so if the squad's pre season preparation is being affected he could have done no more. Plus getting players in early is vital to mourinho's pre season prep so he will be becoming increasingly frustrated at this hold up in his plans. Which is obviously far more important to jose than it is to Woody, cos if it all goes tits up next season, Woody won't be the one getting sacked will he?
Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
I am a bit worried, and I believe fans will start getting agitated if we continue in the same vein. He needs to evolve for his own good. Football has changed and he just seems to believe that his way is the only way. Yes, he's been successful with this method, but continued success means evolving all the time.I agree, and the pattern of who he wants should worry everyone, a wide player is not the problem its his tactics of not even using the OT pitch which fergie took full advantage of, when we lose a goal we are lost. Where has the martial magic gone? that we saw from him in year one. Not once under Mourinho have we seen that edge of martial, and lets not forget not once did we score a goal away from home against any of the top sides, what does that say to me? he has this team working so hard not to concede a goal, its almost like attack is not a priority they don't have the energy to hurt sides, in his first year of chelsea he stumbled across robben and duff on the wings which helped him from his 1-0 days. Think many are so obsessed with tracking back, the edge of hurting sides is not there. The engine room and fullbacks are supposed to take care of that problem, under mourinho its over kill
Jose just letting everyone know that his list was in early, so if the squad's pre season preparation is being affected he could have done no more. Plus getting players in early is vital to mourinho's pre season prep so he will be becoming increasingly frustrated at this hold up in his plans. Which is obviously far more important to jose than it is to Woody, cos if it all goes tits up next season, Woody won't be the one getting sacked will he?
Chelsea won the league with transitioning system... Their attacking pattern is not that openly offensive. Among the English teams, us & Chelsea were the teams that actually achieved something.I am a bit worried, and I believe fans will start getting agitated if we continue in the same vein. He needs to evolve for his own good. Football has changed and he just seems to believe that his way is the only way. Yes, he's been successful with this method, but continued success means evolving all the time.
The other top teams imo have a more clearly defined offensive system, and I just can't see us winning the league playing the way he wants. Plus the players he supposedly wants, except for Morata in my opinion, are mostly work horses. We need creativity and dynamism, and I just can't see him getting in those kinds of players.
We'll see what happens I suppose...
I am a bit worried, and I believe fans will start getting agitated if we continue in the same vein. He needs to evolve for his own good. Football has changed and he just seems to believe that his way is the only way. Yes, he's been successful with this method, but continued success means evolving all the time.
The other top teams imo have a more clearly defined offensive system, and I just can't see us winning the league playing the way he wants. Plus the players he supposedly wants, except for Morata in my opinion, are mostly work horses. We need creativity and dynamism, and I just can't see him getting in those kinds of players.
We'll see what happens I suppose...
Eh... no thanks. We would struggle to get 30 league goals.Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise.
Chelsea at least has some sort of offensive system, we had none. All I'm saying is, if it's the same thing next season, and in light of the players the other top teams are aiming for, I'm not confident that this method of Mourinho's will work. Yes, I'll be delighted to be proved wrong, but I'm not confident at all.Chelsea won the league with transitioning system... Their attacking pattern is not that openly offensive. Among the English teams, us & Chelsea were the teams that actually achieved something.
Unfortunately there's nothing any of us can do about it. Just hope for the best.I agree, there is an evolution and Jose is not doing it, prove us wrong. Fergie's golden era 1991-2008 you saw that evolution of how his great sides changed, obvious 2009-13 fergie went very safety first in how signings and our basic 442 style of play, but even 2009-13 we played with positivity even though there was a regression about our squad quality. I can guarantee you come summer 2018 having a year of perisic we will be wanting yet another winger because perisic is not a player that will upgrade us, ed we be saying, wait wait wait just a minute Jose I just spent 60 million on this guy, and wages and you want another one. If that kind of money is being spent we expect quiet a few years of service, and I just don't see how 60 million plus on perisic is a long term investment. I don't see us winning a title under Mourinho esp the road we going down, in the players hes signed on a contract, the players who sees has a big part of our plans, already what worried me was his some how huge motivation he had for ramming down both lingard and fellaini down our throats has key players of the starting 11 at times. What makes a club smart, stop targeting clubs players who are our competition, pogba was an acception leave the table while their up and become smart players, why have scouts? if this is our targets. Even real madrid seem to be smarter than us, and we have seen our fans call them a circus when they have been more settled than us lol. We have been the circus without the success apart from this year, while they have been the circus with the success. Look at their frontline slash midfield since 2014, modric, kroos, ronaldo, bale and benzema, that seems a team slash club with a direction and a settled way of playing
Unfortunately there's nothing any of us can do about it. Just hope for the best.
Also hope Ed comes to his senses and gets in a DOF. He needs someone with the right experience and knowledge to protect the interests of the club, and to act as a buffer between him and Jose. There should be some distance there imo, especially if it turns out Jose is using the media to have a moan.
What is this "some sort"? Can you elaborate? I can do it myself but I prefer you do. We do have our own offensive system. It doesn't work due to certain flaw in our players. One of which, you have another poster agreeing with you & being so sure that a certain target we're trying to sign ain't the answer to the problem.Chelsea at least has some sort of offensive system, we had none. All I'm saying is, if it's the same thing next season, and in light of the players the other top teams are aiming for, I'm not confident that this method of Mourinho's will work. Yes, I'll be delighted to be proved wrong, but I'm not confident at all.
How do you figure that out? Each one could easily get 15 each. Martial has done it before.Eh... no thanks. We would struggle to get 30 league goals.
Its more of the club is willing to spend big when they see it has worth it, if Jose thinks spending 100 plus million on 2 players approaching 30 is wise, Mourinho better look in the mirror, because the club does not have a bottomless pit. So we spend this money, Mourinho will expect yes another 200 million please next year. No one can possibly say with a straight face 60 million for a 28 going on 29 is a good idea that is chaotic spending, pogba is an investment, what is perisic? Yes 23 million would be fair, not 50 60 million. And if he cannot get the best out of mkhi and martial, then we have a problem. Would you go shopping and pay top dollar for food that expires in a few days time? that is the sense I get from the club
I agree, long as Jose is given another season to assess the situation. It would be unfair to give him a young squad with no improvements and judge him harshly if the results don't come.Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
He will rock the boat as soon as he deems it needs rocking, it's his head on the block remember. Personally i think he is rocking it more for Morata. A CF is always his top priority. His plans must be being disrupted until we get one. We are on tour soon and this may be Jose's way of letting the public know who is to blame if Morata isn't on it.Thats a fair point and something I can imagine Mourinho subtly raising at the end of the window or if we start the season poorly - IF the window doesn't go to plan.
BUT we are just a few days into the window. Mourinho isn't a fool to rock the boat this early. The whole thing smells of fan hysteria. The kind of conjecture a fan would raise.
I was really optimistic about our summer recruit after we won the Europa.
I thought we would definitely get Griezmann and at least one other world class attacker.
I could not be more pessimistic about the players we are going to sign this summer. It's going to be massively disappointing.
Oh, how I missed those “blessing in disguise”!Am I the only one that wouldn't mind us not signing anyone?
We won the Europa and League Cup with what we had. We lost Zlatan sure but there's every chance he might be signed up again when he recovers.
Rashford and Martial can get their chance up top which could be a blessing in disguise. A long time ago, everyone was mad that we sold Van Nistelrooy and only had Ronaldo and Rooney. That summer, Carrick was our only signing. And look how that worked out.
It's not all bad. Some of these players we're linked with, I personally have no interest in seeing at United. Fabinho is probably the only one I'd want out of the main three (Morata, Perisic, Fabinho)
I don't think Perisic would be a 50 million improvement on what we have already... as for Morata, that price makes Pogba look like a bargain. We should develop Martial and Rashford instead of getting our trousers pulled down on a bench warmer who's absense won't even hurt Madrid.
Wow, thanks. Finally, some sense.Mourinho has been brought in to do a job and he is doing it the only way he knows how. I remember the outcry when he spent 30m on milito who was around 30, and similar on Lucio who was even older. He bought Eto'o too. I don't remember too many moaning about it when Inter won the treble that same year. Many on here were wanking themselves stupid over his genius, as his tactical masterclass humbled the seemingly unbeatable Barcelona!
Yet ironically, it now appears such genius was far more commendable and far better appreciated when someone else was paying for it.
Bottom line is you don't win titles buying under developed players for their resale value. You win titles with established experienced players due to their reliability and their experience. In the past 5 years how many teams have won the PL title or the CL with a young developing team? Spurs are a young developing team, how many trophies or titles have they won so far? Arsenal last won the title in 2005 with an experienced team, how have they done since placing emphasis on youth development?
All this talk about value for this, and is it worth the other, yet it still guarantees nothing. The value comes from what you win on the pitch. Think of the young players we have bought for development and resale value: nani, anderson, jones smalling, Da silvas, henrique, forlan, varela, bebe, etc, the list is huge. None have worked out as planned, and i doubt we would make any worthwhile profit from resale. We bought Depay as an investment, to develop him as a star of the future. how did that work out? Where was the value there? A complete and utter waste of time and effort for everyone involved. That is the nature of the risk you take when you are buying a possibility and not a finished article. Is that any less of a risk than buying as close to a guarantee as you can get as Jose prefers to do?
How about RVP for an example. Flew in the face of everything SAF had been advocating for the few years previous. An injury prone 28yrold for 25m who we sell 2 seasons later for a quarter of what we paid. Yet did that seemingly illogical investment represent value for this club, or not? The value was in what we did on the pitch, what we won. Buying what the team needed - and for no other consideration- gave SAf the chance to walk off into the sunset as a PL winner.
Now try and stick a feckin value on that!
Mourinho doesn't give a toss about resale value or waiting 2 seasons for developing youngsters. Winning brings in more revenue from publicity, sponsorship and marketing opportunities for a club like Utd, than reselling players or developing youth ever will. I'm fairly certain the board would have been fully aware of those potential opportunities before they hired him too.
