Tell us then, seeing as this transfer lark is a piece of piss, what he should be doing and currently isnt
Duncan Castles : Jose Mourinho on collision course with Ed Woodward over Manchester United transfers
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I don't know. But I trust Mourinho's grasp of the situaton more than anyone's on this forum. Pointing at our acquisitions last year doesn't demonstrate that Woodward is beyond reproach.
Exactly....unless he is squabbling over 2m or so, I dont blame Ed at all. 90m euros for Morata? 55m euros for Perisic? He has shown that the club is willing to spend big (100m euros on pogba). Jose needs to understand that the club will not pay ridiculous prices for his targets. No club would. If this upsets him, too bad. Find alternative gettable players.
It would just be plain stupid to think that the team we got on our hands at this moment would be able to compete properly in the PL without even mentioning the CL, just because they have had time to settle in.
I mean City finished above us and directly in to the CL, but Pep is doing a total revamp of the team, as he knows that the team he had last season was not even close to competing in the top of europe and would not win him the PL.
Chelsea who won the league so dominantly wants to make considerable upgrades in a few areas to compete in the top of europe and to compete in the PL once again.
Arsenal had a wake up call as they did not get into CL this year and seems to flexing muscles in the transfer market this summer with Lacazette, Mahrez and possibly more to come.
Liverpool seems to mean buisness as well as they want to keep competing for the top 4 in the PL and wants to advance in the CL. If Salah is acompanied by N. Keita and some proper defenders Liverpool would improve massively.
Everton also means buisness this summer and wants to mount a serious top 4 challenge with the names they have already brought in.
Where does this leave us? Would the likes of Morata, Perisic and Lindelöf take us all the way up there? Would you seriously believe we could compete with City and Chelsea for BPL next year? What should we be aiming for in CL with this squad? I really think this summer is huge for all the english top clubs and United would be stupid not to rearrange their transfer plans so that they match the ones from their rivals.
The Matic situation isn't in our control, Chelsea doesn't want to to let him go until they've signed Bakayoko. Madrid have seemingly frozen all their transfer until Ronaldo case doesn't get a conclusion.
Perisic is a case of us paying the money but would anyone be really happy if we sign for the amount Inter is asking.
First of all, it should have been clear to everyone (and it certainly was to the people doing transfers at your club) that the Griezmann transfer would be dependent on Atletico's transfer ban being revoked. So it's hard to understand why people are blindsided by its 'collapse' or regard this as some failure from the club.
It isn't. You would have got Griezmann if he had become available. He wanted to come by all accounts, Atletico would have sold, but then it wasn't possible since they can't get a replacement.
Also, frankly I can understand that 70m € for Morata and 50m € for Perisic are tough to swallow for the ones who are supposed to spend this kind of crazy amounts. It's understandable you'd want to negotiate hard to bring those prices down.
Wouldn't simply paying such sums for such players (very good but not elite) reinforce the notion that Utd with Woodward can be taken advantage of since they throw around with stupid money?
Generally, I don't think we have any clue about the actual state, details, intricacies, complications, or progress of such high profile transfers, and the info we get from journalists or commenters at this point is just not good enough to draw conclusions.
Particularly Castles is a hack who propagates a certain, mostly emotional instead of factual, agenda connected with Mourinho's image, whether he's fed stuff or he makes it up all on his own.
Yes signing one of the best players from Juve and Dortmund requires less nous than signing a backup striker from Madrid and soon to be back up DM from Chelsea. Well done.
Surely Woodward would know by now if Duncan Castles is indeed Mourinho's unofficial spokesperson, which would make such a story more concerning.
Transfer prices are only going to rise. I think we just need to bite the bullet and pay big for 3 or 4 young players this year and let them mature into a top team. Then ride out the bubble until we can start being a bit more discerning in our negotiations in the future.
It was the last year of Mkitaryan's contract and we made a ridiculously big offer for Pogba that Juve could hardly turn down. Gil Gunderson could have pulled both of those off.
And these leaks of Jose unhappy just drives the price up
Buying the Kiwi Messi.
As of two days ago we were in exactly the same situation as last year. A relatively unknown quantity signed for centre back and prolonged transfer sagas and lots of moaning surrounding Zlatan and Mkhitaryan with people believing we had no hope in hell of signing Pogba.
True. I'm not discounting that we'll eventually the sign the players we need. But I do contend that it wasn't a series of masterstrokes on Woodward's part last Summer. As such, I don't have blind faith in him, and trust Mourinho's concerns far more (assuming the reports are accurate).
The market lacks serious quality atm. Fabinho and Mendy are available but for some reason we don't seem to be interested. I would rather spend money on these two then 90m on 29 year olds
I've lazily skimmed the article but did Castles even suggest Matic was a real target for us?
an awful lot is speculation. We don't really know what is happening behind the scenes.
Mourinho knows who he wants and must have back up plans too.
We will be fine come season start.
So in the space of a little over a month we've gone from being on the verge of signing one of the top attacking talents in world football (Griezmann), having Ibra almost certain to come back in January to propel us to eternal glory, with a host of other top talents baying to play for the club, to working our way fruitlessly through Jose's A,B and C list of transfer options. Then there was nothing much to mention as Morata and Matic rumours stagnated amongst the tabloid back pages, and now we're at a point where it looks like Jose could fall out of favour with the club, as Ed decides to jolly it up down-under following a sport that has literally nothing to do with us whatsoever. Either we're in free fall and on the verge of having the "give it Giggs-eh til the end of the season" crowd chirping up or, you know, no-one really know what's going on.
Of course its speculation but when Bouhafsi links us with Mendy, di marzio links us with Fabinho, entire english media links us with Matic and italian media with Perisic, it gives a fair bit of idea regarding our targets. The latter two are costly short term fixes and we should steer clear but I believe we will end up with them.
While I usually side with the manager (especially someone like Mourinho) when it comes to signing players, this is a very tricky situation for Woodward. Buying players like Pogba who are/will be world class for record fees is one thing. However spending almost 100m on Matic and Perisic (who are neither very good nor have age on their side to improve) is not advisable. Mainly because this would set a bad precedent for all our future transfers. Every single club would demand insane fees, even for average players because they know we will end up paying those fees. It will be interesting to see how Woodward handles this, because either way he ends up losing, unless we go for other players.
Clear as mud as to who our targets are.
There was a poster who jokingly said our success last window was down to Raiola and not Woodward.
Makes you think despite how ludicrous it sounds.
Will be interesting to see how this window pans out in the end. Still worry it'll be a disaster for some reason.
Makes you think despite how ludicrous it sounds.
Will be interesting to see how this window pans out in the end. Still worry it'll be a disaster for some reason.
Agree on this really. Not just splashing on players for the sake of it, but paying big for what we need at the top level. Once we have a decent team we might not get rinsed quite as much because there won't be the hint of desperation.
Seems a bit harsh on Woodward. I mean, he did get him exactly who he wanted last season including a world record signing who pretty much every club was at least somewhat interested in.
If winning trophies earns managers a bit of breathing room, signing Pogba should probably earn Woodward some.
If winning trophies earns managers a bit of breathing room, signing Pogba should probably earn Woodward some.
I'd be fine with transfers like this. Find 4-5 players with potential, and give Mourinho 2-3 years to mold them into a formidable unit. Prefer that over chasing the latest flavor of the month. Will the fans have patience for such an approach though?
The signings for the U21 are maybe already showing his knowledge.
Most of that was Mourinho's collusion with Raiola.
Mourinho must have been pleased that he got Mkhitaryan in July so that he could play him in November.
He actually started the first friendly.
I'm beginning to worry that it seems we won't be letting any players go either. Some of our players need to leave
Brought him here without champions league football. But apparantely any chump could have done it
You have to laugh at an article saying United are struggling to secure very specific transfer targets being interrupted every few sentences with clickbait links swearing that they're seconds away from signing Neymar, Lukaku and Rodriguez.
Agreed 100%.
I would be more worried if all the other clubs were making signings. But I am still worried.
If City suddenly get their defence sorted (or God forbid Sanchez) and Chelsea get the likes of Alex Sandro then I will start to worry.
We are not even linked with the calibre of player I would expect of this club. Papers are there for click bait now and when they can't even link us with Sanchez, half of Monaco squad or Dembelé you do start to wonder what is going on, are we penny pinching again?
If City suddenly get their defence sorted (or God forbid Sanchez) and Chelsea get the likes of Alex Sandro then I will start to worry.
We are not even linked with the calibre of player I would expect of this club. Papers are there for click bait now and when they can't even link us with Sanchez, half of Monaco squad or Dembelé you do start to wonder what is going on, are we penny pinching again?
Yup. You also know that if Fergie was still here we'd be going all in for Sanchez. Mourinho's relationship with Wenger all but ruling that out as a potential move.
I am very unclear on your levels of worry!
I love this article and I'm almost certain this is coming from our manager. I think Mourinho is spot on. He's a ruthless winner and he did this at Chelsea. I'm not saying we haven't got enough time to get players in but Mourinho in his 2nd season at Chelsea went and bought Matic, Fabregas, Costa and Andre Shurrle and won the league. If for example we weren't getting results last season Mourinho would get the blame. Ed is not a negotiator. He's a world class marketing executive and bloody good one at that but I think we need a director of football. David Gill was shrewd and he just knew how to get the deal done. More often than not we were closing deals before other clubs got involved. I.e. Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani signings come to mind.
Mourinho I feel knows what he wants and that fills me with confidence. He has every right to push for these deals to be done. Getting players in early is vitally important as players need time to settle. I'll be happy to add Morata, Matic & Perisic to our team as let's face it all would improve what we currently have. Morata to replace Zlatan up top. Perisic to offer guile and and directness on that wing and Matic to free up Pogba.
I don't want to many signings. I want those 3 mentioned above. Don't forget we have amazing players in Mata and Micky T. Get those players in ASAP. Please
Mourinho I feel knows what he wants and that fills me with confidence. He has every right to push for these deals to be done. Getting players in early is vitally important as players need time to settle. I'll be happy to add Morata, Matic & Perisic to our team as let's face it all would improve what we currently have. Morata to replace Zlatan up top. Perisic to offer guile and and directness on that wing and Matic to free up Pogba.
I don't want to many signings. I want those 3 mentioned above. Don't forget we have amazing players in Mata and Micky T. Get those players in ASAP. Please