Downing to Liverpool?

M'n'M said:
Wasn't really a justification, more a comment. I would imagine them choosing Downing ahead of Young for player of the year gives a good indication that they rated him pretty highly.

Not that I give a feck as it's what he does in a Red shirt that's important.
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There's a lot of Liverpool fans with a hard-on over it. I'm seeing it everywhere, you're by no means the first.

I wouldn't be surprised if Liverpool fans somehow got involved in the voting - make sure Liverpool's transfer target beats United's in another team's POTY contest. Those are your kind of victories.
 
Mockney said:
Very funny, slightly desperate stat comparison on SSN just now....

"It's hard to tell who's got the best deal here, if we look at both Young & Downing's careers we see that...

Stewart Downing has made quite a few more appearances, but Ashley Young has more goals, more assists, more international goals, more international assits...erm, but Downing has a marginally better pass completion rate...So...erm...You know, hard to tell"
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Cross completion is where it's at Mockney.

If you can bounce a ball off Heskey's fat head you're a triffic player.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Well done miracle retard.

Is this your revenge for everyone saying you're a shit peterstorey wannabe?

Was it not you who went mental about mods editing your posts for amusement? The original Allforone. ;)
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Um, no I don't think it was me, actually. I was merely making the point that you appear to post more about other clubs than your own. ;)
 
alastair said:
Um, no I don't think it was me, actually. I was merely making the point that you appear to post more about other clubs than your own. ;)
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Don't criticise others for things you indulge in yourself. You look like a hypocritical miracle retard.

That's twice today a rival fan with 1000s of posts on a Man United forum has had a go about us talking about other teams.

You're in good company with njred.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Henderson, Adam, Downing, Carroll.. that's 80M for England B.
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I know it was a couple of summers ago but they also have Glenn Johnson for £18m pushing it close to a £100m, what a load of shite he is aswell.
 
I'm in a minority here, but I don't rate Young or Downing. I think Young is the better athlete, but neither has a football brain. IMVHO of course
 
Young's a useful player to have in the squad. He won't bridge the gap demonstrated in the CL final, but in terms of improving your team domestically, it's not a bad signing at all.

Downing was Villa's player of the year, and consequently they must have rated his performances, but you do get the impression that the reason for which they were more unwilling to lose Downing than Young(according to their forums) was probably because they were resigned to losing Young in the first place.

As far as I see it, there's not a lot of difference between them when you're watching Villa - the difference shall come next season, when Young will be shown as having the ability to step up, and Downing will still show his limitations, just with a different shirt on.
 
like Darren Bent said.. The best player he ever trained with was Luka Modric.. Ashley Young was the only other player that came close. Says it all.

Quote Bent: "I have always said the best player I have played with club-wise was Luka Modric at Tottenham but Ash can't be too far behind now, if not on a par with him."
 
Suedesi said:
I'm in a minority here, but I don't rate Young or Downing. I think Young is the better athlete, but neither has a football brain. IMVHO of course
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I'm with you, decent players but not top drawer. If I was offered a choice of Villa wingers I'd have taken Albrighton over those two.
 
Mainoldo said:
like Darren Bent said.. The best player he ever trained with was Luka Modric.. Ashley Young was the only other player that came close. Says it all.

Quote Bent: "I have always said the best player I have played with club-wise was Luka Modric at Tottenham but Ash can't be too far behind now, if not on a par with him."
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Bit harsh on Cattermole that.
 
Thing about Downing is we know he's not top level, good enough to establish himself as a key player in a top side, good enough to make a real impact on the European and International stage; Ashley Young has the potential to be. I don't agree at all that Downing's midtable level either mind, and he's not been one-dimensional for years now. In fact, I'd say Young's still more of a get to the byline and whip it in type wide player than Downing. Even thinking that I was surprised to see the stat that Young made more crosses per game than Downing last season despite playing a central role. Not that getting it in the box is a bad thing, our wide players do it more than most these days and it's something that we've based a lot of our success on under Sir Alex so quite why it'd be used to criticise Downing is beyond me...

I don't get some of the other criticisms of Downing either, one footed, one dimensional...as if there's one way to play as a winger (or an attacker), one set of attributes that will make you effective and if you fall short in any of these attributes they're not any good. We've seen how effective our very own one-footed, one-dimensional Ecuadorian can be. We've seen a ludicrously one-footed Argentine midget dribble and pass his way past everyone to the top of the football all-time greats. We're seeing another ludicrously one-footed Argentine do the same thing. Or what about Garrincha, a player who'd do the same move 5, 6, 7 times a game and yet defences just couldn't stop it, the same move that would lead to countless World Cup assists, the same move that would lead to 2 assists in a World Cup final and turn the game on its head. David Beckham? Stanley Matthews (?) even?

Downing might be one-footed (he's not) and he might be predictable (little bit) but that alone doesn't mean he can't cause plenty of problems for plenty of teams.

Still, £20m seems bizarre...but then so many fees just seem completely mental anyway.
 
redfan said:
Downing at OT would be a bench player at best, funny how Pool are the only club interested in who they buy, Liverpool will struggle this season to make European mini cup.
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Suarez was the other guy no one was interested in. At all. He was a left sided, attacking type player. In fact could have been a good buy for you now that we all know you were desperate to sign Young.

Suarez would have been a reasonable 'bench at best' type player for you I reckon.
 
Dumpstar said:
Suarez was the other guy no one was interested in. At all. He was a left sided, attacking type player. In fact could have been a good buy for you now that we all know you were desperate to sign Young.

Suarez would have been a reasonable 'bench at best' type player for you I reckon.
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Fair comment, we'd have had Suarez.

Quite obviously not interested in Adam, Downing or Henderson though, so I wouldn't be too pleased.
 
sometimes the sum is mightier than the parts

I think KD is building a solid, if unexciting first team. However, i'm not sure they have enough in the squad to make a substained run on the league title
 
golden_blunder said:
sometimes the sum is mightier than the parts

I think KD is building a solid, if unexciting first team. However, i'm not sure they have enough in the squad to make a substained run on the league title
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I am. They don't. Us, Chelski, Shitty and the Arse will all finish above them.
 
Brwned said:
I don't get some of the other criticisms of Downing either, one footed, one dimensional...as if there's one way to play as a winger (or an attacker), one set of attributes that will make you effective and if you fall short in any of these attributes they're not any good. We've seen how effective our very own one-footed, one-dimensional Ecuadorian can be.
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And? Valencia's in the same category as both Young and Downing - good PL players but not top quality. As you saw horribly exposed against Barca.
 
peterstorey said:
And? Valencia's in the same category as both Young and Downing - good PL players but not top quality. As you saw horribly exposed against Barca.
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You say that like it's a bad thing...

I don't think many people share your view that Valencia and Downing are at the same level, which is all I'm saying. If they did I don't think people would consider it a laughable transfer to bring him in, because the majority of us are very grateful for having Valencia and value-wise there's little difference. I think many still consider Downing a midtable player, far from good enough for a top team, as if he's still the same player he was when we were linked to him as a Giggs replacement.
 
Brwned said:
You say that like it's a bad thing...
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Well I think it is bad thing. You don't want to be signing 25 year olds who are not top drawer. As I said above I'd rather take Albrighton who has the potential to be a top banana.
 
peterstorey said:
Well I think it is bad thing. You don't want to be signing 25 year olds who are not top drawer. As I said above I'd rather take Albrighton who has the potential to be a top banana.
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Hmmm....I would like to know when Gervinho became world class?
 
Not really fussed on Albrighton from the little I've seen, technically better than your average Englishman (wingers especially) but not seen anything to suggest he's a cert for a top club.

You always need to supplement your top class players with reliable league players, preferably you do it from your youth teams and we often do but that can't always be the case and there've not been many wide players coming through for a while now. You lot do the same just go for the cheaper (and less reliable) European option. Getting all top-level or potentially top level players just isn't feasible with the squad sizes now.
 
RDCR07 said:
Hmmm....I would like to know when Gervinho became world class?
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He has the potential to be. We know that Downing and Young don't. To use a horse racing analogy they're 'exposed' - we know exactly what they can and can do. Albrighton is 'improving' he might end up being very good. (Come in Nearco).
 
peterstorey said:
He has the potential to be. We know that Downing and Young don't. To use a horse racing analogy they're 'exposed' - we know exactly what they can and can do. Albrighton is 'improving' he might end up being very good. (Come in Nearco).
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:lol: Yeah sure Gervinho has the potential to be world class. In that case we can say Anderson is also world class even though he is no where even close to being one.
 
RDCR07 said:
:lol: Yeah sure Gervinho has the potential to be world class. In that case we can say Anderson is also world class even though he is no where even close to being one.
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Well, we've seen Anderson play 73 premier league games in which he's looked good in about 2.
 
ricky-romeo said:
both against cesc i suppose....
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I remember a time people here were laughing at us having signed Lucas when your lot had signed Anderson (for triple the fee).

Yes I am rubbing that one in.
 
B9 said:
I remember a time people here were laughing at us having signed Lucas when your lot had signed Anderson (for triple the fee).

Yes I am rubbing that one in.
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I dont think that Lucas is really the example you should use to rub in. Anderson will become amazing, just needs to stay off the pies
 
B9 said:
I remember a time people here were laughing at us having signed Lucas when your lot had signed Anderson (for triple the fee).

Yes I am rubbing that one in.
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Yeah...you've sure had the last laugh with that one!
 
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