I’d like to see that too, I think he’s got the tools similar to a young carrick
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Same here. I always thought he played that role well for us, he certainly never looked out of place IMO.
Maybe he ran out of gas in a few games sure, but that was hardly surprising given his lack of minutes and game time.
I really don't know why United seem to prefer powerful runners over ball players.
Especially now we are playing 4-3-3 ourselves, it's a shame he never got a look in.
this never happens. Players who were deemed not good enough scarcely go on to prove us wrong, despite fans begging for this outcome. Lukaku, Memphis are some of the recent ones who everyone cried about and Martial will go the same way. People were lamenting Vangle selling Chicarito etc. Smalling is another. They never prove that we would be better with them in the slightest and Donny certainly will not as he cannot hack it. the biggest passenger
This is a performance thread not a thread to slag someone off
Chicharito did well at Madrid and good at Leverkusen I believe?
Smalling is the same player he was here. A good dominant defender who's a bit braindead.
I keep coming back to it though, when has DVB ever been given a proper chance to prove himself? He's never had 2 games in a row for the club ffs.
Maybe he is just absolutely dogshit in training and is always lagging behind, but we will soon find out hopefully.
All this talk of him not being fit for the premier league? if he plays well at Everton we will have egg on our faces.
Don't see that at all. Dele will play wide or behind the striker and neither of those positions is ideal for DVB. Donny is more box to box and likes to make the late runs into the box which is not Dele's game at all.
Ideally I would have liked to have seen DeJong-Donny with someone like Rice behind with ETH coaching
Both Donny's and Dele's best features of them at their best was their 3rd man runs into the box essentially. Past that, neither offered anything more than "average at best" in any category IMO. So I'm not sure if it'll really work.
If things go like we hope this summer, it could be something similar.Ideally I would have liked to have seen DeJong-Donny with someone like Rice behind with ETH coaching
Anyway, as we've seen with recent events, you can never plan too far ahead on paper.
Gentlemen, you need to relax, I love VDB and finally we get to see him play, was just pointing out the fact that both managers made us feel that VDB is not good enough, so let's see how it will pave out! Relax...
Good luck Donny. Looking forward to seeing how you perform in the EPL getting a run of games. Even more important I hope you find your smile and enjoy yourself.
I'm a bit concerned about Alli also going to Everton. If he recovers some of his early Spurs form I can easily see VDB going back to bench there as well.
Was about to say the same. Not sure what Lampards plan is but seems strange to get both Alli and VdB.
Yeah they basically play the same role and you’d think they will be going for 451/433. Maybe Alli gets shifted out wide but sounds silly spending £40m on him to do that. He will most likely be given a central role in the team for that kind of fee.
VDB may play behind him but that is not the best use of his abilities. I thought we were finally going to see him play as no. 10 and recoup some value but it seems that it may not be the case.
Why do you want to see him as a 10? He is not a 10 in the way United plays, he is completely different than Bruno and in no way an alternative for him. He is a 10 when you have a deeplying playmaker behind him, whilst not having to be a playmaker/creative mind himself.
Im very confident Frank Lampard will play him in a role that suits him, Alli or no Alli.
I reckon he'll put VDB in the Lampard role.
Neil Custis had a tweet up saying ‘By the way Everton fans, Donny van de Beek isn’t that good’ or something very close to that.
I was about to post it here but fatty pussed out and deleted it in the last few minutes when all his hack media mates objected to him saying it.
I hope we don’t end up rueing this move. Would reflect badly on Solskjaer particularly who at the very least okayed the £40m to buy him and then barely used him.
I was about to post it here but fatty pussed out and deleted it in the last few minutes when all his hack media mates objected to him saying it.
I hope we don’t end up rueing this move. Would reflect badly on Solskjaer particularly who at the very least okayed the £40m to buy him and then barely used him.
I’m just looking forward to actually seeing this guy play.
It would reflect far more badly if Donny actually performs. Failed transfers are normal, but if it turns out he didn't play DVB because McFred are his favorites, then that is criminal and would have cost us far more than 40 million. Let's just wait and see.
Yeah it sounds like Lampard will have DVB in a different role to what he has played at United and what he will probably have Allie playing for Everton. hopefully the loan works out. either way, it should actually show what he can do and hopefully put to bed this nonsense about him not being "big" enough for the Prem.
Interesting that Lampard personally phoned him and convinced him to join.
You'd think Lampard knows a thing or 2 about midfield. Perhaps DVB isn't such a bad player after all?
You'd think Lampard knows a thing or 2 about midfield. Perhaps DVB isn't such a bad player after all?
Alli is good but there's something going on on with him behind the scenes. Maybe Mourinho was right, maybe he lacks the application to move to the next level and now finds himself stuck and unwanted by three consecutive managers at Spurs. VDB can go toe to toe with him in a fight for minutes
Totally unprofessional from him. I'm outraged!
Another manager who says he is a 6 or 8 yet basically never played him there, despite Fred and McT serving up absolute dogshit most weeks. Makes it more baffling. You’ll have some on here claim he’s only a 10 though
Can ali and VDB not play together in a 4-3-3 with a defensive mid just behind? Something similar to how city play.
We don't have a pivot midfielder that comfortable sitting in front of the back. Either Rodri ball winner, nor deep play maker like Jorginho.
VdB even as a 6 or 8 likes to push forward. He's more suitable for midfield 3 which we can't really do without a pivot player and having to accommodate Bruno. It's not suitable for a double pivot as McFred despite these 2 having problem of their own.
In another word, despite comfortable moving around in different role, VdB is a system dependent player, and we yet to build a system to utilize him.
Yeah, I find that very hard to believe, being that he was the fittest player for Ajax and used to run tons. We just prefer powerful runners over intelligent players that pass and move. Probably one of the reasons Sancho hasn't hit the ground running. Had he been a typical winger I'm sure he would have thrived. Were Sancho and Grealish to swap, I'm sure they'd have both racked up the numbers by now. I really hope we move towards more of a ball-controlling team and less of a high-paced counter one like we have been. Games are won in the midfield and countering can only get you so far, especially when teams sit back and defend and play you at your own game.
It already reflects very badly on Solskjaer. You don't buy a player for 40m and then don't give them a chance. Especially when the players he's sitting on the bench for are playing like complete trash. And doubly so, when his performances when he actually plays aren't that bad. Sure, he's had some more anonymous games, but that's nothing compared to the shit served up at times by McTominay and Fred. And those guys were playing week in, week out. What can you expect from someone that plays a few minutes a month and when he does play he plays with the reserves? Absolutely unfathomable what Ole did to Donny. He had games where he was MOTM for christ's sake or totally changed the game like against Watford. He didn't even play 2 games in a row. It's just mystifying. When he played with Matic he played well and we looked the most solid. Yet he never tried him with Fred or McTominay. Ole really let himself down on this one. Plan A or nothing. Trusted whether you're playing shit or not. Garbage man-management.
I think you are onto something crucial in the last part there. I like Donny, and don’t think he’s done badly in his last outings for us. He’s got a good all over skill set that should make him handy in many positions for a medium class team, yet his areas of expertise are too narrow for him to fit a lot of teams at an exceptionally high level.
Donny being a Carrick? Well, he has to pass a lot better than he can now to be one.
The range of Carrick's passing and weighing on them is out of Donny's reach.
The range of Carrick's passing and weighing on them is out of Donny's reach.
Donny's passing was sublime in that West Ham game. Not sure how good his passing is on average, he seems decent, but he's barely played, so I can hardly say one way or another if he will be another Carrick. Even if he is half the player Carrick was, he'd be good enough as a starter.
He also appears to have zero of the defensive nous Carrick had.
Think its a dud comparison.
Pretty good actually. But he prefers short passes over long passes. And unlike The United here claims, he can actually weigh his passes really well as seen in the compilation i included(although this is more a compilation of his more "creative" passes, not his passing in general)
Of course you can say he won't if you ever saw Carrick played. Remember I was talking about the range that is required to play from very deep.
I am just commenting on some posters saying he could be another Carrick by playing in no .6 role or something.
McFred is better, simple as that.
Don't know how many managers it'll take before it finally clicks with some here.
Comparing him to Carrick is absurd.
The idea of Donny as a viable option for United as a central midfielder - nevermind a defensive midfielder of some kind - is almost exclusively based on the premise that "he can't possibly be worse than McFred". It has very little to do with his actual strengths/traits as a player.
The idea of Donny as a viable option for United as a central midfielder - nevermind a defensive midfielder of some kind - is almost exclusively based on the premise that "he can't possibly be worse than McFred". It has very little to do with his actual strengths/traits as a player.
That's kind of the sad truth isn't it- they offer more physicality and defensive solidity. As more of an attacking midfielder he has to compete with Bruno and Pogba. It's like where do you play this guy? And why the feck was he even bought in the first place?
I hope he does well and proves everyone wrong but i've seen this happen with our fanbase over the years where a player is heralded as a saviour but it's the manager that just can't see it. We've had "free Shinji Kagawa", why doesn't Jose play Mkhitaryan or Andreas Peireira, and now DVB. In hindsight the managers might have been correct on all of those calls.
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