While this is very true, Arsenal obviously doesn't have the same transfer & wage budget as City and Utd. Havertz and Rice will be direct replacement for Xhaka and Partey, and both of them will compete with Jorginho, ESR, Vieira, Elneny for the starting spot in midfield.
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Their fans seem to hate each other but Arsenal and Chelsea seem the only two Premier League top clubs that engage in a lot of transfers between themselves.
Did honestly overlook these guys likely leaving.
Not overly familiar with Arsenal but weren’t the two mentioned played deeper. Expecting Havertz to be cover/rotated with Odegaard and Jesus aswell. And a better option than Nketiah & Maitland-Niles
tbf, Nketiah did do quite well when called upon.
unless Arteta goes full Pep, and hoping for rice to sit behind Odegaard, martinelli, Saka, Havertz and Jesus as per Rodri behind Haaland, KDB, Grealish, Gundogan and Silva.
Either way, I don’t understand some melting down over the 65 fee. Think it’s decent business. Better than paying 85 for Sancho at least
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Xhaka has been moved up as #8 last season. so it will be front five with Saka and Martinelli staying wide, Jesus as false 9, with both Havertz and Odegaard support him/interchanging with him. Rice will join with Zinchenko or sometimes with White in the midfield. so it is either a 2-3-5 or 3-2-5.
Don’t imagine he’d need much time to adapt as like someone from abroad. Obviously he’ll need to get to know the manager/new team mates and style of play. It will help having English players like Rashford and Shaw who will help him settle. But ye the quicker this gets done the better. Need some fresh players for pre season…
he’d have been better off leaving the league, don’t think it’ll work out for him in the Prem
Crazy money . Hes not worth that amount
You’d think we already have some kind of relationship with them after signing Mata from them. They’re trying to rinse us for a player that has 1 year on his contract yet they sell Kovacic who is probably a better midfielder to city for 30m.
Those people you had relationship with in Chelsea were all fired last season. Kovacic is 29, and Mount is only 24 with the English tax, so not quite the same.
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How? If we had him we'd be sending him out a loan and paying most of his wages.
Don't think he's worth the fee but I also wasn't sure about Odegaard and Ramsdale so what do I know. I can see why Arteta likes him but he hasn't looked like he's found his feet in the league.
Yeah he played a lot more minutes than any of the other forwards. Sterling's the only one who got even close and even he clocked ~650 mins less than Havertz. Every other attacking player Havertz outplayed by a factor of around 3 times the amount of minutes or more.
And even if he was statistically the 'best' of our attacking players last season that still doesn't mean he was even half decent. After all we finished 12th and our team scored a total of 38 goals across the full league season for fecks sake.
Like I've said a bunch of times on here I do think there's a talented player in there but he absolutely needs the team to be built around his best qualities for him to shine, so unless Arsenal have a clear plan on how to utilize him I wouldn't expect him to pull any trees there either. All this talk of him being a versatile player who can fill in at many positions sounds exactly the kind of idea that got us in the shit with Havertz in the first place.
This probably has been discussed but where are they intending to play him? They literally have 2 left footed playmakers that like to drift from right in Saka and Odegaard already. Weird..
Poch does not want to lose him. If Man Utd does not negotiate, the owners can say that they honored his request and Poch has a year to turn him around on leaving. Nobody is pushing him out the door.
I'm sure Arteta has a plan for him. One thing he has proven as that he can teach attacking systems with fluid movements where players all know their roles, and willing runners both with and without the ball, willing to run in behind as well.
I don't mean to have a go but I don't believe you could really say that about Chelsea for the full time Havertz has been there. The best coached Chelsea have been in his time was under Tuchel and it was a masterclass in solid defensive structure for a while, but not really in attacking.
For this reason I find it very difficult to judge Chelsea players of the past few years, especially attacking players. They've signed players that have excelled in previous teams and systems, like Cucurella, Sterling, Ziyech, Werner, Havertz etc, that have looked average at best in theirs.
Everyone always criticises the players, but the common theme is the environment they are playing in.
We can all laugh at Chelsea last year business or Arsenal over paying..
But the fact that we can’t get a decent 15m pound for Anthony Martial who in my view is not too far (poor) from Havertz really shows how piss poor we are in transfers (both in and out)
But the fact that we can’t get a decent 15m pound for Anthony Martial who in my view is not too far (poor) from Havertz really shows how piss poor we are in transfers (both in and out)
Chelsea are the masters of transfers
Yes the player who can only play 15 games a season.
Chelsea sold him so they can play mudrick up front
Box-to-box is not making a 100-metre Usain Bolt type sprint and then fizzling out for another 80 minutes. Watch Havertz make a few sharp runs and then fizzle out huffing and puffing with hands on the waist like a lame duck for most of the match. Good luck with box-to-box.
His best position is just behind the main striker, where he can do a few quick sprints and make an "occasional" incisive pass. He is absolutely not box-to-box material.
The market doesn't lie. No manager is interested in Martial. Not even on loan, not even Man Utd subsidize his wages.
The tweet says minimum is 11 million, the Chelsea wages was max 300k.
So as per the report the base wages is 210k, add all the bonus it will be over 300k.
True. Why would anyone want to sign a player who could get injured while sleeping
We have unqualified people at the club. Simple
Would need to improve a lot defensively to play that role. It’s one thing pressing as a forward and another playing the 8 role
Great bit of business for Chelsea.
Mount was a far better option for that role
Or Lukaku. Think poch will keep Lukaku.
Very poor player. Arteta will be in for a shock if he's the Xhaka replacement. Can't see him sending Jesus to the bench. He's neither build for the Premier League nor got the necessary skill for a top team. There will be no place to hide for him, too expensive. Could be the beginning of the end for Arteta.
I will welcome the return of Lord Lukaku to Premier League.
If he gets sold for £65 m, Osimhen for £100 m looks like a bargain.
Having watched him in Germany, i'm sure he hasn't shown his level at Chelsea. Also, he is not a striker. But i think its a risky signing by Arsenal, and i don't think he's the player they needed at 8. I thought they'd go for more of a sure thing, considering they want to challenge for the league.
Well poch likes a ST like that doesn’t he. Will save them a lot of money aswell unless they can find a quality ST for cheap.
Why on earth are they prepared to pay so much for this guy who's nothing special?
Havertz is awful. Arsenal would be crazy to spend that much on him.
He's not special but not a bad player either.
If Arteta managed to improve Xhaka, Odegaard and Jesus I don't see why he can't do that with Havertz. Wouldn't be surprised to actually work for them.
If Arteta managed to improve Xhaka, Odegaard and Jesus I don't see why he can't do that with Havertz. Wouldn't be surprised to actually work for them.
Where will he even play?
Also, I'm not sure there is any evidence to suggest Arteta has yet improved Jesus as a player (incidentally, that's who I'm assuming Havertz will have to compete with).