Really scraping the barrel with some of those stats. Most flick ons? Most lay offs?
Even the most goals is only 9.
You mean most flick ons isn't the key stat you look for in a player?
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You mean most flick ons isn't the key stat you look for in a player?
In the end all three parties (Chelsea, Arsenal, Havertz) involved are happy. What not to like? It seems like even Man Utd fans are happy with Arsenal spending big on him.Really scraping the barrel with some of those stats. Most flick ons? Most lay offs?
Even the most goals is only 9.
Seems to me he is essentially a psuedo-CF and may be able to play the CF role and link up / play our wingers and midfield runners in, like Jesus does (though Jesus is a great dribbler).
However he also likes to occupy the spaces that Odegaard thrives in.
It will be interesting to see where he ends up playing. Clearly Arteta has a clear vision as to how he will be used (according to the news breakers anyway - apparently he was sold on the move after speaking with Arteta, which seems to be a theme with our signings). I guess we are at least looking at a skilful, talented and versatile player, so there are attributes to work with.
Yea, nothing wrong with that if all 3 parties are for it. It's just the justification of using those stats probably shows that even your lot are struggling to find a positive.
Arse and Chelsea have some kind of love-in going on. They’re frequently exchanging players, going back to the days of Gallas and Ashley Cole.
Arsenal really have given Chelsea a get-out-of-jail card by overpaying for Havertz.
Arsenal really have given Chelsea a get-out-of-jail card by overpaying for Havertz.
I am very positive for the transfer. 60m for a german international is a very good deal. He is still young and his skill can play Arteta's football.
He's really shite, but ok, glad you're happy pal.
You mean most flick ons isn't the key stat you look for in a player?
If a player doesn't have "most sideways glances" then I'm not interested
as i said, even Man Utd fans are happy. Everybody is happy. We are all good. Cheers!
Underwhelming way to spend 60 million. He's still young so could turn it around mind.
I like that it will improve our squad depth. We are building a strong squad if these four proposed transfers go through.
And I guess we have to assume that Arteta has a plan/vision for him, though we may not see it yet (it can't just be rolling the dice on talent and using him as a plug-and-play backup for multiple positions.
I just hope it doesn't impact other potential moves we are looking to make.
And I guess we have to assume that Arteta has a plan/vision for him, though we may not see it yet (it can't just be rolling the dice on talent and using him as a plug-and-play backup for multiple positions.
I just hope it doesn't impact other potential moves we are looking to make.
Yeah I'm a bit puzzled about this as well.
The only way I could see him being a starter is if you guys play a 4-3-3 with Rice as the midfield anchor, Havertz-Ødegaard as double 8s in front of him and Martinelli-Jesus-Saka as the front three, so basically just replacing Partey and Xhaka from last season's starting XI with Rice and Havertz. But Havertz is a very different type of player compared to Xhaka (much, much softer) so Arteta would need to make some big changes to his game plan if he wants to make that change.
Forgot most goals by a player wearing number 29.Really scraping the barrel with some of those stats. Most flick ons? Most lay offs?
Even the most goals is only 9.
And athleticism. He's a bit of a monster.
And best Chelsea player named Kai Havertz
I’d say he functions as a very capable backup for Jesus, might even end replacing him outright as the striker if he outperforms him which I wouldn’t say is beyond him. He could also function as emergency cover for Saka, if needed, though I don’t think he’s particularly good out wide.
Ultimately think I think Arteta sees him as an 8 and if you get Lavia too I think he’ll rotate that midfield around depending on the opponent.
He is tall and all for a soccer player, but he needs to hit the gym.
Front 5 interchanging in attacking, with both inverted full back tuck in to form midfield 3 with Rice. We will miss the leadership of Xhaka however.
Havertz will be a starter. Not sure why some can’t see that Arteta is literally going for Pep 2.0 tactics. That is 2 number 10’s, Saka, Martinelli. 3 at the back and a fullback joining midfield.
just baffles me how Arteta and Klopp to be fair, purport to be top tacticians but are trying to copy and paste Peps system.Sorry but you you won’t beat him/City that way.
Especially considering that system was tailor made for the players at Guardiolas disposal.
just baffles me how Arteta and Klopp to be fair, purport to be top tacticians but are trying to copy and paste Peps system.Sorry but you you won’t beat him/City that way.
Especially considering that system was tailor made for the players at Guardiolas disposal.
Yeah but not gonna lie I see it working for both Arteta and Ten Hag.
Thing is the Chelsea to Arsenal route ended up with us getting a dud or a player near the end of their career. They got Cole and Giroud while we got the crying baby, Diarra,Benayoun,Willian, Luiz. It has gotten better with Cech and Jorginho but that's the first time we get an actual current starting player. I really hope he works out because failing in the PL at Chelsea and Arsenal will get him back to Germany on a massive discount.
Yeah I suspect he would be used that way, as the guy in that video points out - once Zinchenko moves up and creates a two man midfield base with our DM, then Havertz and Odegaard would form another two man unit further up, which would create that "box" in the middle.
The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around to the idea.
I don't think he will replace Jesus though. His dribbling is too much of a weapon and it can really open up defences. Havertz is a late runner into the box, so he may benefit from playing alongside someone like Jesus, as opposed to replacing him.
In fairness you have been buying players that they no longer wanted for years now.
How is Klopp trying to copy Guardiola's tactics?
At least Havertz hasn't reached his peak years yet, as opposed to the Chelsea duds where were all old and varying degrees of cooked when they moved across.
What has football viewership become?Don't understand this move at all. For half the agreed fee I could imagine taking a punt on him but at this price it feels like a major gamble. Should probably trust in our current leadership given their decent record with transfers lately but I'm really struggling to understand this one.
Hope he makes me look like a fool.
Hope he makes me look like a fool.
He can be a great success if Arteta finds a position for him. I rate him very much
I would be optimistic about him if I was an Arsenal fan. The potential is there if he meets the right coach who uses him correctly. I’ll be following him and Arsenal closely to see what Arteta has planned for him.
If Arteta can make Gabriel Jesus look like a footballer, I'm sure he'll do just fine with Havertz
Arsenal s last chance to build bigger and better squad with mufc taking over around the corner. I am not blaming them for spending big on this window with liverpool and Chelsea not in cl and manutd locked in take over things with less spending power.
Havertz can fulfil his potential as a player for them. But it doesn't matter for us anymore. The failed experiment of havertz as striker for us over with 60 mn in the bank.
Havertz can fulfil his potential as a player for them. But it doesn't matter for us anymore. The failed experiment of havertz as striker for us over with 60 mn in the bank.
Arsenal and Man Utd are going to provide Chelsea the fund to buy Caicedo from Brighton. As i said, all parties involved are happy.Arsenal s last chance to build bigger and better squad with mufc taking over around the corner. I am not blaming them for spending big on this window with liverpool and Chelsea not in cl and manutd locked in take over things with less spending power.
Havertz can fulfil his potential as a player for them. But it doesn't matter for us anymore. The failed experiment of havertz as striker for us over with 60 mn in the bank.
One reason I doubt Arsenal’s future is that they tend to buy other clubs rejects, like city’s or Chelsea’s.
Zinchenko, Jesus, Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho & I believe that will continue.
They may improve but I don’t expect them to win titles with such a method either.
If Gabriel Jesus didn’t work for City then I don’t think it works for Arsenal.
Zinchenko, Jesus, Odegaard, Havertz, Jorginho & I believe that will continue.
They may improve but I don’t expect them to win titles with such a method either.
If Gabriel Jesus didn’t work for City then I don’t think it works for Arsenal.
Exactly, if I was an Arsenal fan I’d be fuming the club spent £60m on him tbh.
Box-to-box.
He has absolutely no attributes for that role! Very poor physical strength, some nice flicks and crosses but very little long-range passing. His running would make a 40-year-old Robben blush.
He was a starter in the team that won the CL. Scored in the final. Yeah he was bad last season but who wasn't. The likes of Sterling, Mudryk, Modueke they've signed are way worse than him. For a possession team like Arsenal he will do very well.
For what it's worth I think Havertz for £60m is better value for Arsenal than Mount for £50m will be for United.