Why what?
Donald Trump - GUILTY!
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I don't know who the other monsters in the swamp might be, but the "dislike" he is getting I think it's mainly because:
-He broke the law paying hush money to a pornstar from funds that were supposed to be for campaigning.
-He defrauded his investors and shareholders by lying about the value of his companies, assets and brands, while at the same time giving the IRS considerably lower numbers in order to evade taxes.
-He tried to overturn the results of an election by pressuring US officials to break the law in order to either invalidate valid votes against him or by "finding" more votes in his favour.
-He commited treason by orchestrating a coup, mobilizing a mob against the capitol in order to attack US elected officials and seize power.
-He stole and hid official classified documents during and after his tenure, refusing to return them even after being caught and reportedly (and on tape) divulging critically classified information to either friends, allies and foreign officials that are potential enemies of the state.
Do you follow American politics like that? The cash floating in the swamp?
https://nypost.com/2022/10/05/house...ued-millions-from-husbands-trades-report/amp/
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...at-pelosi-after-stock-trading-ban-stalls/amp/
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25163753-clinton-cash
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/28/us/a-closer-look-at-cheney-and-halliburton.html
The way the FBI has been used to meet political ends?
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...-media-on-spying-by-obama-administration/amp/
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...ampaign-2016-41116202428688e1088829852505e144
I'm no Trump supporter but folks go in like he's the worst thing ever it seems. He's part of the swamp, and the swamp has other monsters.
I'm not smart enough to argue the severity of these charges, they seem pretty damning at face value. A podcast I listen to has downplayed the significance of some of these though, and I trust their opinion. Maybe I'm just numb to it all.
Edit. On reflection, I think he lacks the guile the other monsters have. He's given his opponents the ammunition to take him out and he only has himself to blame.
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Hehe, that's a classic
You know what? Maybe I've become one without even realising it.Hehe, that's a classic
Believe me, there isn't enough time in the day to type Trump's crimes or the illegal/racist/offensive/abhorrent/stupid/spiteful/dumb/ignorant things he did while President, let alone in his lifetime. The Trump Presidency thread is thousands.of posts long and if you start at that I guarantee he did at least one thing every single day that any other President would have been absolutely slammed for. But hey, Obama wore a tan suit once.
There’s some dubious reporting on some of those, but your question largely makes sense.
Trump ran as an outsider to ‘drain the swamp,’ but it is undrainable no matter who is in charge. He wants to purge non-loyal career civil service employees if he takes back the WH & install loyal subordinates to do his bidding. That would be building a new swamp. The bureaucratic aspect of the federal government will always engender a swamp.
How could you ever rationally become a Trump supporter. Even when trying to keep an open mind, I cannot name a single positive thing about Donald Trump. Nothing. He is an endless list of all the shite charactaristics a human being can have. If you convert him into a Crusader Kings 3 character the list of negative traits on his personality card would barely fit the screen.
Other "swamp monsters" and whataboutery aside, what is the positive side of Trump? I suppose his utter incompetence makes him less harmful?
What exactly do you mean with red herring here?
I think apologist is the word I was looking for. "Supporter" implies the wrong thing about my thoughts on him.
The Trump trial of it all has tinges of a panacea being administered. Folks are acting like he is some big hurdle to a greater good being done. There swamp is just getting rid of an unlikeable monster at best.
Of which trial are you speaking?
The totality of them.
91 felony indictments isn’t anything to sneeze at for a lay person or an ex-president.
Okay, but more specifically? What does "tinges of a panacea" mean? Who are the people responsible who are trying to get rid of him?
He a sloppy individual. Have to move smarter in the swamp.
I'm not that passionate about this topic folks. I'm not here to die on some Trump defence. I'm an apologist at best, and not his finest. Make what you will of what I've said, maybe I'll have the energy another day to go further.
You haven't actually said anything, though.
Probably best not to take seriously someone constantly using the term "Swamp Monster".
So do you actually follow American politics like that?
Do not forget his pre-Office CV accomplishments.
-Crushed small businesses by refusing to pay agreed sums, often lowballing or claiming services not rendered to his desire, then tying said businesses in expensive litigation which nearly all small shops can't afford and he knew it.
-A decorated history of racism. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
-He bought a USFL franchise in the earlys 80s after being denied by NFL owners of joining their exclusive club, and soon pushed forward with moving the league to directly rival the NFL via a fall-winter season versus continuing a spring season which all owners wanted to remain for the short-term. His ego was so hell-bent to get one over those NFL guys that he ultimately failed in his attempts and aided in the league folding (not only because of his actions, the league was massively overspending against revenues). In the late 80s, he was rumored to be courting an NFL franchise again, rumors of Dallas and New England, but he was never going to join that exclusive NFL owner's circle and it still ate at him. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/1988-the-year-donald-lost-his-mind-213721/
-His ego drove him to overpay for everything in the 80s which drew what he truly sought - public noteriety and elite acceptance. It also saddled him with massive debt that would make the Glazers blush.
-John Barron and John Miller.
-Crushed small businesses by refusing to pay agreed sums, often lowballing or claiming services not rendered to his desire, then tying said businesses in expensive litigation which nearly all small shops can't afford and he knew it.
-A decorated history of racism. https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
-He bought a USFL franchise in the earlys 80s after being denied by NFL owners of joining their exclusive club, and soon pushed forward with moving the league to directly rival the NFL via a fall-winter season versus continuing a spring season which all owners wanted to remain for the short-term. His ego was so hell-bent to get one over those NFL guys that he ultimately failed in his attempts and aided in the league folding (not only because of his actions, the league was massively overspending against revenues). In the late 80s, he was rumored to be courting an NFL franchise again, rumors of Dallas and New England, but he was never going to join that exclusive NFL owner's circle and it still ate at him. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/1988-the-year-donald-lost-his-mind-213721/
-His ego drove him to overpay for everything in the 80s which drew what he truly sought - public noteriety and elite acceptance. It also saddled him with massive debt that would make the Glazers blush.
-John Barron and John Miller.
Sloppy? Move smarter?
It was inevitable we would see another one like you, y’all tend to come in cycles. Kudos to you for at least attempting engagement & not just doing a drive by.
Not sure I'd call that engagement.
You missed out all the bankruptcies that enabled him to avoid paying a big chunk of that debt
What exactly does this mean ?
It seems like a very labored way to say Trump is just one bad actor out of many.
To be honest, at least a drive by would have made more sense.
It's a real book!
https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Jack-Froff-ebook/dp/B08LCP46L5
The Swamp Monster: How Trump Infested The Swamp (English Edition)
Unfortunately, it took 4 years, but Americans finally learned the hard way that Donald Trump is a lying con artist who, whenever his lips are moving is telling one of his twenty-thousand plus lies. Many have also come to terms with the fact that the man conned Americans, and possibly the world to become president of the United States. In Swamp Monster, the reader will discover humor, comedy and satire, as a complete rundown of the true Trump is unraveled. Here are just some of the most notorious lies and empty promises the Donald has made to unsuspecting Americans since taking office:
Warning: Hideous swamp monster image.
https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Jack-Froff-ebook/dp/B08LCP46L5
The Swamp Monster: How Trump Infested The Swamp (English Edition)
Unfortunately, it took 4 years, but Americans finally learned the hard way that Donald Trump is a lying con artist who, whenever his lips are moving is telling one of his twenty-thousand plus lies. Many have also come to terms with the fact that the man conned Americans, and possibly the world to become president of the United States. In Swamp Monster, the reader will discover humor, comedy and satire, as a complete rundown of the true Trump is unraveled. Here are just some of the most notorious lies and empty promises the Donald has made to unsuspecting Americans since taking office:
Warning: Hideous swamp monster image.
It didn't take 4 years, they just couldn't rectify the idiocy until thenIt's a real book!
https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Jack-Froff-ebook/dp/B08LCP46L5
The Swamp Monster: How Trump Infested The Swamp (English Edition)
Unfortunately, it took 4 years, but Americans finally learned the hard way that Donald Trump is a lying con artist who, whenever his lips are moving is telling one of his twenty-thousand plus lies. Many have also come to terms with the fact that the man conned Americans, and possibly the world to become president of the United States. In Swamp Monster, the reader will discover humor, comedy and satire, as a complete rundown of the true Trump is unraveled. Here are just some of the most notorious lies and empty promises the Donald has made to unsuspecting Americans since taking office:
Warning: Hideous swamp monster image.
It's a real book!
https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Jack-Froff-ebook/dp/B08LCP46L5
The Swamp Monster: How Trump Infested The Swamp (English Edition)
Unfortunately, it took 4 years, but Americans finally learned the hard way that Donald Trump is a lying con artist who, whenever his lips are moving is telling one of his twenty-thousand plus lies. Many have also come to terms with the fact that the man conned Americans, and possibly the world to become president of the United States. In Swamp Monster, the reader will discover humor, comedy and satire, as a complete rundown of the true Trump is unraveled. Here are just some of the most notorious lies and empty promises the Donald has made to unsuspecting Americans since taking office:
Warning: Hideous swamp monster image.
Well, real is a strong word. It's 26 pages. Write up any old nonsense, find the cheapest possible graphics artist to do the cover, and you too can be a published author (on Amazon).
If he was black and stole a snickers it'd be 3 years in Rikers or shot dead with his hands up. What you just laid out is 25 minimum for any one of us.
Could we please stop accusing Mr 45 besest president? he is innocent till proven guilty and I am telling ya. He will be the 45th and the 47th president of the US in 2028. Double president for you
That's because he's going to be centre-left in 2028
finally pivoting thanks to musky
I listen to this podcast. The co-host is a pretty smart veteran. Check out the "Fake News" ones if you're interested. Either than that, I follow a variety of individuals on twitter and I see their posts daily as I do a drive by through my timeline.
I struggle with articulation. I always forget that most folks on the internet can't read my mind and see between the lines. I won't attempt to clear up what I meant (I don't think I could do it well enough.) One person on here seemed to get my original point and I'll take that.What exactly does this mean ?
I've definitely come to the realisation that he's bad at politics on a certain level. The people love him but he doesn't have the guile of others. Look at Cheney and the Clintons, those guys know which buttons to push.Sloppy? Move smarter?
It was inevitable we would see another one like you, y’all tend to come in cycles. Kudos to you for at least attempting engagement & not just doing a drive by.
Lots of people don't love him too, as recent events and elections have proven.
He beat her though. So either she wasn't as cunning or he is. IMO he wasn't able to replicate the surprise, newcomer, "drain the swamp" factor of his 2016 campaign anymore. Plus the russian intrigue, of course.