One of the best episodes I've seen. Very emotional actually.
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Superb episode. Loved the ending, a fitting way to bring Amy's story to an end.
Only criticism is that they could have done this last season at the end instead of splitting this season up into 2 parts and essentially making the first 4 episodes pointless. However, this episode was fantastic.
Only criticism is that they could have done this last season at the end instead of splitting this season up into 2 parts and essentially making the first 4 episodes pointless. However, this episode was fantastic.
Karen Gillan is gone? One of the only reasons I watch Doctor Who. 
Liked it a lot. Actually now realising that the new companion is that girl from Emmerdale and was in the first episode as the dalek human, she might be better than Amy anyway. Although it would seem weird that shes already been in the show and died and then becomes a companion...
Loved it, best EP since The Girl in the Fireplace.
Always good EP's with the Weeping Angles.
Sad that Amy and Rory are gone, but glad they got to live old and die together.
Always good EP's with the Weeping Angles.
Sad that Amy and Rory are gone, but glad they got to live old and die together.
Why did they show the Rolls Royce makers plate, maybe has some significance to the rest of the coming EP's
Enjoyed it. The whole time paradox stuff is wibbly wobbly however -- the Doctor could have just told Amy and Rory to meet him somewhere else other than NYC, at a different time if he really wanted.
Good Christmas special, I prefer the ones which actually have a point or are a big finale. Didn't try to stuff Christmas down your throat as much as in previous years either.
Course it helps that the new assistant is fit.
Course it helps that the new assistant is fit.
She's good, its good. I'm sure with the scenes of her running in that outfit she'll have an army of fans overnight
I didn't have a fecking clue what was going on.
Good episode and lots of little things to suggest that the series is building up to something very exciting indeed. Lots of little references and phrases that could be important. It's all very confusing, so I used the Google to find out more. Looks like the Great Intelligence Institute will be important. I have a feeling that the Master will be behind it. No idea how Clara fits into all.
That was a really good watch.
Really enjoyed that episode. Some good laughs, a good story and a nice introduction to the new assistant. I liked the chemistry she and the doctor had, it was a nice chance from the constant sarcasm Amy brought. Also, I liked the new look of the TARDIS, looks less cluttered now.
The preview for the series looks very good. Will be interesting who Clara is and how she fits into all this.
Every time they said 'Winter is coming' all I could think about was Ned Stark from Game of Thrones.
Good shout on the Master being behind the GII.
A long shot could be the GII is linked to the previous forms of the Doctor. It's unlikely but since they're talking about bringing back the previous actors for the 50th special, perhaps there is a link?
The preview for the series looks very good. Will be interesting who Clara is and how she fits into all this.
Every time they said 'Winter is coming' all I could think about was Ned Stark from Game of Thrones.
Good shout on the Master being behind the GII.
A long shot could be the GII is linked to the previous forms of the Doctor. It's unlikely but since they're talking about bringing back the previous actors for the 50th special, perhaps there is a link?
I don't think the Great Intelligence was much more than a nice reference for people who know about the old shows - the Doctor mentioned that the London Underground was a vulnerability in the 60s and it eventually ended up there fighting the Second Doctor.
Good episode, could have been great apart from the absolute bullshit that ended the threat. fecking tears?
I like your thinking on this, I dont think it is a long shot.
Clara is going to be a big part of the second part of the season, could she be somebody from the Doctors past, maybe a past companion?
Also, in case anyone didn't notice (or didn't care more likely), it was a landmark episode of doctor who as for the first time ever, they were able to film the characters going into the Tardis in one continuous shot.
Am I the only one that thinks Doctor Who's really fallen off recently?
The whole of the 'first half' of the new series was a load of wank I thought, just 6 episodes dragging out the whole Rory/Amy exit. And I didn't think the Christmas special was much cop either (fitness of the new girl aside)
Just in comparison with some of the earlier Matt Smith episodes, and the Tennant years in general (they're often on BBC3) I don't think they're anywhere near as good, as exciting, or as clever.
The whole of the 'first half' of the new series was a load of wank I thought, just 6 episodes dragging out the whole Rory/Amy exit. And I didn't think the Christmas special was much cop either (fitness of the new girl aside
)Just in comparison with some of the earlier Matt Smith episodes, and the Tennant years in general (they're often on BBC3) I don't think they're anywhere near as good, as exciting, or as clever.
It's just in 'transition', building up to a new story line. I quite enjoyed the christmas special and I think the new assistant is definitely going to liven things up.
I thought the 4/5 episodes were a waste of time. They should've got rid of the Ponds at the end of last year rather than devoting a mini-series to them. The only interesting aspect of those episodes was Dalek-Clara.
Overall, I've really enjoyed Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor and I put him ahead of Tennant as my favourite version. Moffat's stories also are better than RTD's IMO, even if the endings are convenient and predictable.
Overall, I've really enjoyed Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor and I put him ahead of Tennant as my favourite version. Moffat's stories also are better than RTD's IMO, even if the endings are convenient and predictable.
I haven't seen this show in years. My favourite doctor was William Hartnell but I expect that most caftards won't remember him. Anyway, Blake's 7 was a better show in my opinion.
I agree with most of this , but I think Tennant was the best Doctor, but Smith is a close second.
I dont remember Hartnell, but Pertwee was my fav doctor form childhood.
Blake's 7 was dreadful, it had a crazy story and a set straight from Blue Peter.
Blake's 7 had some fantastic characters in it. The sets were a bit iffy though because the cheap BBC wouldn't give the producers a half-decent budget (or studio) to make the show in.
Tennant might be the better actor of the two but his portrayal of the doctor was too human. Matt Smith wins best doctor simply because, unlike Tennant, he actually attempts to play a thousand year old alien with a big blue box.
But he's got a fecking weirdly shaped face, so your argument is invalid.
Watched the Christmas special today because the hotel I was staying at in Switzerland didn't have a single BBC channel, but had all the BBC Radio channels (ARGH). Anyway, I really enjoyed the episode. The new assistant is great - Amy was great, but it's nice to have a change from the constant sarcasm. Great chemistry between her and the doctor already.
It's just a bit disappointing that the Doctor and Clara/Oswin has to start all over again (I'm assuming, unless the present Clara will actually remember her past meeting with the Doctor). They've been through a few emotions already so having it just all swept away will be quite annoying.
The tears thing was a bit silly. My only problem with Moffat is that he seems to drag on the crisis towards the end of the episode, and then just to finish it off an easy solution is found and it just makes me think "Oh, was that all it needed? Tears? If Clara didn't fall off the cloud, the earth would have probably ended then".
Still, looking forward to the new series - April is it?
It's just a bit disappointing that the Doctor and Clara/Oswin has to start all over again (I'm assuming, unless the present Clara will actually remember her past meeting with the Doctor). They've been through a few emotions already so having it just all swept away will be quite annoying.
The tears thing was a bit silly. My only problem with Moffat is that he seems to drag on the crisis towards the end of the episode, and then just to finish it off an easy solution is found and it just makes me think "Oh, was that all it needed? Tears? If Clara didn't fall off the cloud, the earth would have probably ended then".
Still, looking forward to the new series - April is it?
Plus, (I'll spoiler this just in case no one else noticed it in the Christmas episode):
Did anyone notice that the date on the gravestone for Clara was 23rd of Novemeber? The date of the 50th anniversary?
I quite liked that though. David Tennant portrayed a different type of doctor to Matt Smith, he was a time lord with authority over the whole universe whereas Matt Smith is more of an eccentric and doesn't have that same fearsomeness about him.
Also, I preferred the Doctor Who series with Tennant and Eccleston before him, it had a much lighter feel about it. It was a series that us "humans" could relate to because the companions were all from the modern day Earth so there was always that point of return.
Now it seems that the Doctor is lost in space with nowhere to call home. Okay Earth was never his home, but especially in Tennant's era he seemed to love Earth and appointed himself as the protector of the planet.
Now it's all over the place, I found it hard to like the first few episodes because of this. Rory and Amy divorcing as well at the start was so unbelievable considering this was the man or "centurion" who had waited 1000 years for her. And then every episode from there seemed to be the Doctor turning up randomly every few months, there was no feel of continuity about it as has been for the past few seasons.
Although I did quite enjoy this Christmas special, much better than the pile of shit last year so hopefully they really build on and create a strong bond between himself and his new companion, after all the relationship with his companion is the foundation for the strength of the show.
Good summary until zarlak ruined it.
The Ecclestone series was the highest quality of them all. Don't get the hate for him
It's true though. He has a very strangely shaped face.
I agree if he had of stayed he could of been the best of all, mind you then there would of been no Tennant.
He's an alien, he's not supposed to look like us! More weird faces I say!
Eccleston was 'my doctor' (the first one I ever saw) so I'll always have an affinity for him. I thought he was better than Tennant too, I don't understand the love for Tennant at all to be honest, yes he's an incredible actor but doctor who wasn't really his best role at all. He did make a great Casablanca though.
And @Genius: The doctor himself was never supposed to be a character we can relate to, whenever I watch classic episodes they're all closer to the Moffat/Smith era than the RTD/Tennant era, although that said Eccleston's doctor was somewhat eccentric. But I disagree that the doctor has somehow abandoned earth in the Moffat era, if anything he's saved it from even bigger and badder dangers. The difference however, is that during the Moffat era there's been a lot less London based dangers (certainly modern day London) and instead has been more rural. There's also more characters who come from Scotland and from rural areas as opposed to the concrete jungles we saw from RTD.
I do agree with you that the RTD era was somewhat more grounded into the reality of modern day England (as far as Doctor who can be anyway, lets not forget, it's a sci-fi show about a time lord), largely because much of bigger plot lines revolved about what was present day London. But personally, I don't care for that at all. I want doctor who to be as mental and sci-fi as possible, my favorite episodes of all time have come under moffat: The Doctors Wife (though, that was written by Niel Gaiman) and anything with the weeping angels in it.
Rory and Amy did annoy me too, it did rather spoil the first half of the season for me because it was 6 weeks of just waiting for them to fecking die. The divorce didn't bother me so much though, I imagine if I waited 1000 years for someone I'd probably be let down when I finally get them. Things rarely live up to the hype.
Eccleston was 'my doctor' (the first one I ever saw) so I'll always have an affinity for him. I thought he was better than Tennant too, I don't understand the love for Tennant at all to be honest, yes he's an incredible actor but doctor who wasn't really his best role at all. He did make a great Casablanca though.
And @Genius: The doctor himself was never supposed to be a character we can relate to, whenever I watch classic episodes they're all closer to the Moffat/Smith era than the RTD/Tennant era, although that said Eccleston's doctor was somewhat eccentric. But I disagree that the doctor has somehow abandoned earth in the Moffat era, if anything he's saved it from even bigger and badder dangers. The difference however, is that during the Moffat era there's been a lot less London based dangers (certainly modern day London) and instead has been more rural. There's also more characters who come from Scotland and from rural areas as opposed to the concrete jungles we saw from RTD.
I do agree with you that the RTD era was somewhat more grounded into the reality of modern day England (as far as Doctor who can be anyway, lets not forget, it's a sci-fi show about a time lord), largely because much of bigger plot lines revolved about what was present day London. But personally, I don't care for that at all. I want doctor who to be as mental and sci-fi as possible, my favorite episodes of all time have come under moffat: The Doctors Wife (though, that was written by Niel Gaiman) and anything with the weeping angels in it.
Rory and Amy did annoy me too, it did rather spoil the first half of the season for me because it was 6 weeks of just waiting for them to fecking die. The divorce didn't bother me so much though, I imagine if I waited 1000 years for someone I'd probably be let down when I finally get them. Things rarely live up to the hype.
Silva I see where you're coming from but like you Eccleston was the first doctor I watched and I've never seen any of the classic episodes.
I suppose from my personal viewpoint, I preferred the style with him and Tennant but I can see that the show needed to evolve. I just hope the next set of episodes there will be a continued relationship with his companion unlike the breaks in the last few episodes.
I suppose from my personal viewpoint, I preferred the style with him and Tennant but I can see that the show needed to evolve. I just hope the next set of episodes there will be a continued relationship with his companion unlike the breaks in the last few episodes.
I've watched all episodes since Tom Baker. He was my favourite but Ecclestone runs him damn close. At first I hated his young smiley face and leather jacket but by the end of his series I almost cried that he wasn't going to continue. The bastard.
Tennant was very good. But he never really replaced Ecclestone for me. Matt Smith has a chance but the Amy and Rory storylines have so far completely ruined my Doctor experience so far. I hope Clara doesn't get too many soppy episodes.
Tennant was very good. But he never really replaced Ecclestone for me. Matt Smith has a chance but the Amy and Rory storylines have so far completely ruined my Doctor experience so far. I hope Clara doesn't get too many soppy episodes.
Know what your saying Dumbstar, the Matt Smith Doctor with Amy and Rory got too emotional at times too often basically. I quite like him as a Doctor, but the stories weren't the greatest.
The companions haven't been great under RTD, i'll grant you that. With the exception of River Song perhaps but she's been very part time. But, I do think a lot of the monsters have been better than with Moffat. The weeping angels, for example, are brilliant bad guys.
I wouldn't hold my breath about there being no soppyness about Clara though, we've already seen how it all ends for her after all and it isn't pretty.
I wouldn't hold my breath about there being no soppyness about Clara though, we've already seen how it all ends for her after all and it isn't pretty.
Aren't the Weeping Angels technically Moffat's creation? I know he wrote Blink, but I don't know if they were his idea.
How does it end for her? She's died twice now, she's not like any other companion and for once there's more mystery surrounding the companion than there is for the doctor.
Sorry yeah, I meant to write Moffat. Brain fart there.
The whole Dalek thing is in her future I think, the Christmas special though I don't really know unless they're going to leave at "strange things happen in the universe"
Well I thought that too, until the end of the episode when he started piecing his brain together about her connection with the great intelligence institute. Although I don't quite understand it, in both cases she didn't seem to know anything about the doctor.