Your probably right mate. He was overpriced in my opinion, but he does give us something different up top and I would sooner have him in our squad than elsewhere.
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Your probably right mate. He was overpriced in my opinion, but he does give us something different up top and I would sooner have him in our squad than elsewhere.
Yeah I agree, right now at this point in time I would classify Berbatov as a very successful player at United but that will never, ever change the fact I don't think he was successful for the vast majority of 2008-2010 and at times this season, he has looked very wayward.
Do I want to be proven 'wrong'? Of course I don't, who does but if you delve deep as you like to do with stats, you will find plenty of posts in which I have praised him and mentioned my preference for him to prove me wrong on the pitch.
Do I think you lot are 'wrong'? No, I don't I just think you're over-enamoured with Berbatov as you so desperately want him to do well. I do too you know, why would I want a United player to fail? But as I've gottenolder, I like to call it as I see it and I can see Berbatov as someone who is vastly frustrating with his performances, although I cheerfully concede he is much more consistent this season which is pleasing, but still not quite there in my opinion compared to you lot.
As I say, I used to be completely United biased and would argue and fight for my player as brillaint no matter what, but I can't lie to myself and I won't lie to you lot. Let's get it right Sean, from your Twitter posts and photo, you do some across as some sort of extremist in your Tweets to John Aldridge and the photo of you in your green & gold scarf, arms crossed like a martyr willing to strap a load of dynamite to his chest and walk into the Liverpool Supporters Club and sacrifice himself....
He's top scorer in the league, the main reason we're top of the league, putting in countless good displays, playing really well, he's modest and doesn't throw a trantrum when he's dropped, he wants to do well, he likes the team, he respects his teammates and manager, seems a pretty nice guy. What's not to like?Jeez. I can understand that he's had his critics in the past but disliking him right now has no foundation at all. Performing well and not much of a prick. That says a lot for modern footballers.
I think that's a fair point as he certainly hasn't lived up to his price tag, which was inflated, but either way I think his performances haven't justified his inclusion at times in the years 2008-2010, now we do have an option in Hernandez he is certainly under threat and I hope he can continue his goal-scoring or he will be dropped for long(er) periods.
Jeez. I can understand that he's had his critics in the past but disliking him right now has no foundation at all. Performing well and not much of a prick. That says a lot for modern footballers.
I don't dislike him but I can see why some do.
It is the way he plays his football. His style, so to speak.
I can't. The only reason to dislike a footballer who's playing well is if he's a bit of a prick (John Terry, Ashley Cole etc).
Berbatov isn't.
I think the biggest mis-interpretation is people think I don't like him, of course I like him he plays for United and I want him to do well but just don't think as a whole he has until this season.
Yeah well I can tell you Darren Ferguson was disliked, not because he was Fergie's son, not because he had goofy teeth but because of his performances when persistently played.
Scoreboard Red continues with this, despite being outed as a hypocrite?
I wasn't outed at all mate because I've never said I disliked him, you lot did.
I've stated plenty of times I want him to succeed but just don't think he has.
It seems people just don't like an opinion that isn't akin to their own.
Well, that's at least fairer than most of your posts, even if I don't quite agree with your assessment of him 2008-10.
I'm not sure if the latter is accurate though, painting the picture that I lack the ability to properly critically assess United players. I've been critical of the form of Evra and Fletcher this season for example.
Also, to be fair, my Twitter DP was originally a sarcastic entry to a Top Red competition. Though it is fair to say that I have a bit of a hatred for Liverpool Football Club.
Being top scorer in the PL doesn't amount to 'succeeding' in your book then does it?
Did Darren ever produce a single match-winning performance for United, because I know Berbatov has produced multiple?
The fans that don't like Berbatov is because of a) his price tag, b) their fan boy lovefest for Tevez, c) both.
To the stage where he is so successful he is benched for our games in Europe and biggest title challengers?
No; otherwise he'd play, wouldn't he?
Absolutely spot on.
I've been critical of plenty other United players too, how come I don't get jumped on for that?
Can you see my point?
As for you, my arch-nemesis, I was pointing out to MG her point footballers are only disliked for being knobheads which isn't true, they're also scrutinised heavily for their contribution on the pitch, to which D-Ferg did little.
You are taking the word dislike far too simply here. I am talking about dislike for him centered around the way he plays.
Ok.
Would you much rather have Berbatov in the club either starting or subbing on, or prefer losing his ability to win matches and count on the likes of Bebe, Diouf, Macheda and Welbeck to sub on when needing that goal?
I know my choice at the moment. Berbatov is miles ahead of those players. Only Owen comes anywhere near the class he possesses and we see just how far Owen has fallen in the last decade. It's not like Berbatov has been frozen out of the side like Yorke was in 2002.
I'd rather him at the club but to be consistent and also be able to start and perform against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, City and top European clubs because even though I know the likes of Wigan, Wolves and Blackburn are also important throughout the season, the trophies are won versus the big guns of England and Europe and he has done nothing in the three years against any of the big teams when it matters.
And why would we need to rely on those players you mentioned were he to ever leave?
I certainly don't think any of those are at the level required to make it as first team regular, so I'd be looking at purchasing a new attacking player whether it be a new striker to rotate with Rooney & Chico or an attack-minded midfielder such as Sneijder.
Sheringham didn't always put in good performances either, actually struggled at times not being a regular starter, yet the fans were never against him.
Then again he only cost 3.5m back when top strikers were going for 10m or more. And he didn't force the club to let go a fan favorite player.
Then again he only cost 3.5m back when top strikers were going for 10m or more. And he didn't force the club to let go a fan favorite player.
OK, so it doesn't matter how many goals a player scores, what matters most is they start the big games in Europe and the title race.
Scoring lots of goals > starting big games.
I don't know how many times we have to explain to you about our starting line-ups for big games, but even if Berbatov doesn't start he still usually makes a contribution.
I maintain that you are simple inventing reasons to criticise him.
Sheringham came to United aged 31 knowing he would be rotated with Cole and Solskjaer as he wanted to experience Champions League football before he called time on his career, and I'm sure he was seen by Ferguson as a not an un-ideal replacement, but certainly one who would fill a gap for a while as he was gunning for the likes of Salas and Kluivert at this time.
And you're right, Teddy was accustomed to Spurs where his involvement with the ball was minimal until the last third, at United as Cole found out and Berbatov has too, you need to be more pro-active.
I would go as far as saying Sheringham was slightly above average, not good but not bad, for the whole two years up to May 1999 when he became an instant legend of the club with two goals in the FA Cup Final and the CL Final.
He was exceptional in 2000/01, his last season with us.
I'm all for Berbatov scoring goals April/May 2011 and I'm sure his stock would rise considerably with all United fans, including his detractors, were he to do so.
Fingers x'd...
OK, so it doesn't matter how many goals a player scores, what matters most is they start the big games in Europe and the title race.
Scoring lots of goals > starting big games.
I don't know how many times we have to explain to you about our starting line-ups for big games, but even if Berbatov doesn't start he still usually makes a contribution.
I maintain that you are simple inventing reasons to criticise him.
I like the way you say 'we' because that's right, you're like a remora; you attach yourself to someone and use their opinions and points as if they were your own.
And as you'll see from mine and Maecello's sensible discussion, you will see I'm all up for Berb to go forth and multiply but until he does, we'll have to accept that both Park and O'Shea have done more each in terms of goals and assists in the big games since he's been with us.
I agree with TR, Berbatov is having a good season which could turn into a great one, but I can still see why he isn't loved. His inconsistancy and laissez faire attitude, coupled with his previous attitude when he was playing badly. This and the fact that his first two seasons here were very poor, almost a "luxury" that no-one could afford. Another season like this one (or just a match winning goal in a huge game) though and I'm sure the first two seasons will be erased and everyone will love him.
I still think he's a great third choice striker.
I still think he's a great third choice striker.
Apparently this is no longer a fact, he was actually good in his first 2 seasons.
I understand people sticking up for Berbatov, when on song he's one of the best players in the world to watch and yeah, he has probably come in for some criticism that is too harsh at times. But.... it's his best year ever for us by far and yet SAF once again is not using him, even favouring a rookie over him. There has to be a reason for this?
And the way people are talking on here since the West Ham game I had to re-watch the highlights to make sure it wasn't Berba himself who scored the hat-trick. Did he change the game? maybe a little, so did Hernandez, but we were the better team throughout and those 2 beauties from Rooney are what changed the game, not the elegant cameo from our Bulgarian.
Who said that?
Oh, I see the haters like Scorebord Red that have never forgiven Berba for 'pushing out' Tevez are back.
They can keep on supporting Tevez but I'm glad to support a United player, not a fecking City troll.
They can keep on supporting Tevez but I'm glad to support a United player, not a fecking City troll.
feeky amongst others.
What "attitude?"
And "very poor?"
The attitude that has been mentioned previously in this thread: when he was playing badly he used to berate players around him who didn't perfectly pass him the ball (even when he was offside).
Oh and yes, he was very poor whether you like it or not.
Well it might not technically be a fact, but every fan of every other team in the country branded him a flop, even teams with no hostility against United thought he was dire. If he was playing for one of our rivals, we'd have been ecstatic that he was so poor (I know I would have).
If he keeps up his form from this year for the next season or two he will be remembered fondly, if he returns to his first two seasons form he won't.
He certainly wasn't "very poor." Unless you're a fecking moron.
A little harsh maybe?
I don't for a second think scoreboard "supports" Tevez, he just wants to analyze Berbatov, something that is always difficult in these parts.
It's certainly a fact that once again SAF is not favouring Berbatov, I for one believe it's due to what I have believed all along, he doesn't exactly "fit" our style, especially with Rooney in the team. Now there's no denying he's a better player than Hernandez but I'd prefer to see a United team with Hernandez in it rather than Berba and at the moment it seems SAF feels the same.
Both Berba and Rooney are better with a guy like Hernandez, their partnership has never really set the world alight.
But one things for sure just at it was at Old Trafford on that great day against Tottenham, we play some fecking sexy stuff with Berba, Rooney AND another striker all on the same pitch
A little harsh maybe?
I don't for a second think scoreboard "supports" Tevez, he just wants to analyze Berbatov, something that is always difficult in these parts.
It's certainly a fact that once again SAF is not favouring Berbatov, I for one believe it's due to what I have believed all along, he doesn't exactly "fit" our style, especially with Rooney in the team. Now there's no denying he's a better player than Hernandez but I'd prefer to see a United team with Hernandez in it rather than Berba and at the moment it seems SAF feels the same.
Both Berba and Rooney are better with a guy like Hernandez, their partnership has never really set the world alight.
But one things for sure just at it was at Old Trafford on that great day against Tottenham, we play some fecking sexy stuff with Berba, Rooney AND another striker all on the same pitch
Agree with your last part, but can never be too harsh about Tevez.
Oh, the shouting at his teammates thing again.
And see my previous post.
I'm saying that is one of the few reasons people weren't fond of him last season and the season before. Even if you didn't feel that way at least acknowledge that others did.
Oh and yes, he was very poor, unless you're a United fan with red-tinted specs. If you have any mates from neutral clubs who watch a lot of football, ask them to give you an assessment of Berbatov's first two seasons at United. Then you'll see what I mean.
/edit: Also totally agree with sharky's last post.
Depends what you are comparing it to, if you compare it to his first season at Spuds or to this season that it certainly was poor, however if you compare it to say, Johan Elmander's first season at Bolton then no, it certainly wasn't "very poor".
Yeah, I'll take the opinion of some asshole who sees us play twice a year over what I see myself in every game.
He was in no way, shape or form, "very poor." As I said, unless you are a fecking moron. The kind of idiot who thinks a player shouting at his teammates gives an accurate reflection of his attitude.
Jesus Lance, you trying to be an internet war hero here? cut out the fecking slanging, is there any fecking need?
What slanging?
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