Saying someone is 'very poor' isn't a comparative though is it? It's saying he was 'very poor', full stop, which is nonsense.
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Saying someone is 'very poor' isn't a comparative though is it? It's saying he was 'very poor', full stop, which is nonsense.
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"unless you are a fecking moron"
"The kind of idiot"
etc.
No need basically, sometime this forum is nasty fecking place. We're fellow reds, try treating each other with a little fecking respect from time to time. If someone has a different opinion to you it doesn't mean he's a "fecking moron".
That was friendly guidance.
But you can only compare him to himself, and by his standards he was very poor.
It's well known that Giggsy had one very poor year... he was still better than 2/3 of the other players in the league though.
Nope. Geeky is going to have a field day with that comment.
geeky will, but even with his love of stats he'll struggle to show that his form those years was anywhere close to these:Personally I think you'd be doing his talent a HUGE disservice by claiming that he wasn't poor in his first 2 seasons.
I don't agree. When Rooney has a dry patch in terms of goals people talk about how he still has a big influence no games, when Berba doesn't score for a while people make out that he did nothing at all and may as well have sat in the centre circle eating a crunch corner.
Oh and don't mind Lance, he was dropped on his head a lot as a child
A sensible person would take the opinion from an opposition fan who sees us play 15 or 20 times a year, not twice :s.
It has to be comparative. If it wasn't then Berbatov would be incredible his first two seasons because he was better than 99.999% of people would have been in his position (me included!).
Whether the comparison is against a Premier League striker, a £30m striker, him playing for Spurs or a striker for Man Utd is the question. My comparison was a combination of a "Man Utd striker" and him playing for Spurs. On this comparison he was very poor.
Totally agree with this.
To say some fans are wrong for calling him poor is too simplistic, was he poor compared to 2/3 of the rest of the league?.... no, but still... was he even remotely close to his form this year or the first year at Spuds... NO!
It's gone from "very poor" to just "poor" now?
He clearly struggled to instantly recreate his form from Spurs at United. It's almost as though he took a season or so to settle into his new club. Mad, eh?
This doesn't mean he was very poor, or indeed, poor. Failing to meet extremely high expectations is not the same thing as playing badly.
What sort of weirdo watches an opposing team play 15-20 times a year?
And I would like you to find a fan of an opposing team who holds a neutral view of United. Good luck with that.
And I would like you to find a fan of an opposing team who holds a neutral view of United. Good luck with that.
I didn't want to get sucked into one of geeky's debates
No at all mad but... his age wasn't helping him in that respect, or the fee for that matter.
Ohh I dunno. How do you assess Torres right now?
I still maintain that if you compare him to any Man Utd striker over the past decade he was very poor in his first two years, whether this was him "settling down" (which is a bit strange given he was 28 and playing in the PL) or whatever is immaterial.
I think he failed to meet expectations by playing badly.
You are obviousy just a United fan, not a football fan. By the end of the season I'll have seen Chelsea, Arsenal and Villa (I live near Birmingham) play at least 10-15 times each.
There are lots of fans of mid table teams that don't hate United. I have mates who support Villa, Birmingham, Stoke, WBA etc who don't hate us at all.
eh?
Half the lads on here watch real and barca play 20 times a year, let alone bloody Chelsea or Arsenal.
Weird comment.
Seeing as he hasn't created or scored a goal for Chelsea after his first 5 games I'd say he's not having the best of starts at his new club. Still very early days though.
Berbatov had 2 goals and an assist by the time he was 4 games into his United career.
Jesus wept.
A couple of times a season, sure. But 15-20 times? I don't get it.
Dong likes that comment.
Unbelievable.
Manucho quite likes it too.
Bellion loves it.
I watch every United game. I have zero interest in watching, say, Chelsea play against a random team.
Jesus wept indeed, obviously I was referring to first teamers: Cole, Yorke, Solskjaer, Sheringham, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney...
United have set an exceptionally high bar for first team strikers and Berbatov did not meet this bar (by some way) during his first two years. Unfortunately for him United fans expect a hell of a lot from their front players, but fortunately he is starting to look like he's meeting these standards.
United have set an exceptionally high bar for first team strikers and Berbatov did not meet this bar (by some way) during his first two years. Unfortunately for him United fans expect a hell of a lot from their front players, but fortunately he is starting to look like he's meeting these standards.
I reckon Berbatov changed the game when he was subbed... he's my favourite player... he reminds me of Cantona.
I dunno why I am still reading this thread. Nobody is going to give in.
Let’s pretend though that Berbatov signed for City that day instead of us and went on to replicate for them his 1st two seasons with us.
Would we write him off as a complete failure - Yes or No?
You could imagine the threads that would have sprang up on here how we had dodged a bullet etc…
Now he has had a very good season. But still the manager doesn’t see him fitting into our system as has been proved with team selections for the past 2 months or so. Which is a shame for Berbatov but at the end of the day it’s all about results. Will be interesting if his little cameo on Saturday will get him a game against Chelsea on Wednesday.
I still think his future at the club is in question though. But we don’t have long to wait, this summer will answer many questions for me anyway. Because I haven’t a clue where Fergie stands on the player at all
Let’s pretend though that Berbatov signed for City that day instead of us and went on to replicate for them his 1st two seasons with us.
Would we write him off as a complete failure - Yes or No?
You could imagine the threads that would have sprang up on here how we had dodged a bullet etc…
Now he has had a very good season. But still the manager doesn’t see him fitting into our system as has been proved with team selections for the past 2 months or so. Which is a shame for Berbatov but at the end of the day it’s all about results. Will be interesting if his little cameo on Saturday will get him a game against Chelsea on Wednesday.
I still think his future at the club is in question though. But we don’t have long to wait, this summer will answer many questions for me anyway. Because I haven’t a clue where Fergie stands on the player at all
Rooney's free kick changed the game.
Berbatov looked terrific. But It was the free kick.
I have watched nearly every Madrid and Barcelona game thus far this season as well as probably as high as 90% of PL games that Sky and ESPN have shown.
Pretty sad but I love football not just Utd
I can kind of understand watching Real or Barca every now and again, as they aren't in the PL, and have Messi and Ronaldo in their respective line ups.
I watch whatever games are televised at the weekend, and sometimes stream a 3pm kick off if I can be bothered and there's a game that interests me, failing that I'll follow them all via SSN.
Who's ghosted?
Who's ghosted?
I am a sad case. I watch a fair bit Championship football too, sometimes the SPL if there is a big game likewise with Serie A.
You should feel sorry for my missus.
I'm single and have Sky Italia so 8 games a week is pretty standard ~_~, I probably need to get out more
.I think a good example regarding how people view Berbatov is what other fans make of him. Where I now live is not far from Liverpool and there is a good blend of Liverpool and Everton fans around. Now Everton fans in particular quite like United and have a fairly good relationship with the club (unless we are playing one another). Liverpool fans, however, are totally different.
Anyway, there are a mixed bag of fans where I live, including Wigan, and if you speak to any of them about Berbatov they will give you the opinion that he is "alright". They will say Hernandez is brilliant but Berbatov is only "alright" and looks like he "cant be arsed". Alot of them think he doesn't suit the way United play etc..
I will stand and fight his corner to everyone but this opinion does make me see how some sections of the United support might view Berbatov. It is baffling when you look at his record, especially this season, but I think it is just his style of play which doesn't suit alot of people - that, coupled with his price tag and age.
Anyway, there are a mixed bag of fans where I live, including Wigan, and if you speak to any of them about Berbatov they will give you the opinion that he is "alright". They will say Hernandez is brilliant but Berbatov is only "alright" and looks like he "cant be arsed". Alot of them think he doesn't suit the way United play etc..
I will stand and fight his corner to everyone but this opinion does make me see how some sections of the United support might view Berbatov. It is baffling when you look at his record, especially this season, but I think it is just his style of play which doesn't suit alot of people - that, coupled with his price tag and age.
He played bloody well when he came on, didn't he? So did Hernandez. And Wayne had a fecking brilliant game as well. We have all three strikers in form and ready to come into the side at a critical juncture.
Tevez doesn't play for us anymore.
I think the above sentiments pretty much sums up all that needs to be said.
Tevez doesn't play for us anymore.
I think the above sentiments pretty much sums up all that needs to be said.
Yeah they all played well. What changed the game was going with more than 1 striker up front and the freekick.
Some interesting stats from 64 mins onwards when Berba came on until the end.
Player / Passes / Succesful
Berba 19/14
Carrick 22/20
Fabio 17/14
Giggs 19/14
Hernandez 17/14
Valencia 22/17
Rooney 10/7
Nani 8/7
Timing /Passes/ Succesful/ Percent/ Passes per min
0-45 322/246/ 76.4% / 5.5
45-64 162/132 81.5% / 6.9
64-90 174/140 / 80.5% / 5.4
64-84 113/88 / 77.9% / 4.4
Player / Passes / Succesful
Berba 19/14
Carrick 22/20
Fabio 17/14
Giggs 19/14
Hernandez 17/14
Valencia 22/17
Rooney 10/7
Nani 8/7
Timing /Passes/ Succesful/ Percent/ Passes per min
0-45 322/246/ 76.4% / 5.5
45-64 162/132 81.5% / 6.9
64-90 174/140 / 80.5% / 5.4
64-84 113/88 / 77.9% / 4.4
When you say "interesting"...
He really means "uninteresting/boring as feck". Geeky will no doubt love them though, he'll add them to his data banks.
Rooney number of touches, I didnt think hernadez saw nearly twice as much of the ball as Rooney, in our most succesful period we had our second lowest pass completion rate.
We were most succesful in terms of possesion and passing the first 20 minutes in the second half.
In our most succesful period we were not as dominant as it looked when you look at the passing stats.
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