'I've criticised Berbatov throughout his career with us so now he's playing this well I have to think of really obscure ways of doing it, rather than admitting I was wrong about him, because that's what I do', basically.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Amazingly weird post.
I've given him loads of credit in recent times, even said I dont mind his blip in form a few weeks back as long as he gets back to scoring in the Arsenal and Chelsea type matches.
But sure lets ignore whats actually happened in an attempt to make out that I just plain hate him. That way you dont have to come up with an actual argument as to why signing a contract to say you're happy enough to take on the challenge and all responsibilities that go along with it, doesnt mean that you actually have taken on the challenge and all responsibilities that go with it.
But sure lets ignore whats actually happened in an attempt to make out that I just plain hate him. That way you dont have to come up with an actual argument as to why signing a contract to say you're happy enough to take on the challenge and all responsibilities that go along with it, doesnt mean that you actually have taken on the challenge and all responsibilities that go with it.
But you do hate him, and you love David Villa. Both in very strange ways.
Or at least it seems that way to pretty much everyone else on here, so I'd suggest it's your problem not ours.
Or at least it seems that way to pretty much everyone else on here, so I'd suggest it's your problem not ours.
Also, I find it funny how most people who post in the Tevez threads that he was never worth the kind of money City paid for him, are the ones who talk about Berbatov's fee needing to be ignored because he didnt decide it.
You honestly believe that most people on here are most right of the time? I certainly dont. Most people on here wanted Hargreaves. Most wanted us to pay whatever it took to sign Berbatov. Most wanted Ribery to replace Ronaldo. Most want some fancy young foreign shot stopper whomakes mistakes to replace VDS (Pick a name here, there are that many).
I dont hate Berbatov, but if you need to believe that in order to feel you can argue with my point so be it. It says more about you than me though
I'm not arguing against any point though, that's the thing. I gave up trying to argue with you about Berbatov months ago, because of your irrational hatred.
I think most people are able to form a valid perception of posters' views on players, yes. Their collective understanding of football is irrelevant, really, because this is a much simpler task and one most can do given the amount of time we all waste on here.
The overwhelming perception is you've had something against Berbatov from day one, and that's gradually turned into hatred.
I think most people are able to form a valid perception of posters' views on players, yes. Their collective understanding of football is irrelevant, really, because this is a much simpler task and one most can do given the amount of time we all waste on here.
The overwhelming perception is you've had something against Berbatov from day one, and that's gradually turned into hatred.
Worth every penny, great player. And has been playing well for a long time now, it's annoying so many people seem to think this is his breakthrough season or something. It's not. Though I am glad he's added more goals to his game now for us
All of my incredibly fair posts about Berbatov over the past few months go ignored. But because I express my view about one thing some other people dont agree with, something that I've posted about in the past and nobody had a good argument to dispute it then either. That one point means I hate him.
Yeah well done. At least it gives you something to be proud of, having some people on an internet forum agree with you.
The double-standards here when it comes to specific players is ridiculous.
So did SAF. And what's wrong with wanting to sign Hargreaves? He did great in his first season.
Please enlighten me.
Would take all night. We can do it another time
Oh, come on dear.
I'll assume that you think that it was ridiculous to want to sign Hargreaves because of him being somewhat injury prone. Hargo was examined by medical professionals when we signed him, and it was clearly not deemed to be a problem. If we could've predicted him having such extreme problems we would never have signed him. Whenever he has played he has been very good.
I see nothing wrong with that transfer. Sometimes you're just shit out of luck.
This one has been done to death but no argument yet presented has sensibly come to the conclusion that he should have been bought.
When he has played its been out of position and a nice and very useful freekick against Arsenal and a very good match against Roma aside, he's been good at best.
The central midfielders we bought at the same time and the ones we already had, have shown and proved themselves to be better central midfeld options than the confused black hole of progressive football Hargreaves provided us in the middle of the park.
All that and he's barely played. Not the best backup in the world.
This is like the time he went as far as saying Valencia's crosses aren't actually crosses but passes, just because he couldn't admit that he's a good crosser.
Because he's fecking good.
You have absolutely no arguments yourself, so your cocky attitude comes off as quite a bit silly.
Yeah sure, I hate crosses too.
I hate Berbatov, Hargreaves, PIG and everyone else I dont rate as highly as other people. And I hate crosses.
What a brilliant argument. I think I'll go and buy a Hargreaves shirt to celebrate the certainty of Hargreaves being given a new 5 year deal in the near future.
Yeah. It's not about hating players. It's about having loads of forthright opinions while never having the good grace to back down when they're proved wrong in the fullness of time.
The tortuous knots of logic he ties himself up in rather than simply admitting "actually, I was wrong about x" are his signature move. It gets very surreal at times.
You disagree that he's good?
How about:
- 'English', and wanted badly to come here
- Fantastic work rate
- Excellent right foot. Good FK/PK-taker, brilliant crosses
- Versatile, can be played as a RB, CM and RW
- Experienced
- Reliable
A silly discussion anyway. I don't have to present any arguments to why Hargo should've been bought. SAF bought him because he clearly deemed him to be an asset to the team. But I guess he should've consulted you first.
You disagree that he's good?
How about:
- 'English', and wanted badly to come here
- Fantastic work rate
- Excellent right foot. Good FK/PK-taker, brilliant crosses
- Versatile, can be played as a RB, CM and RW
- Experienced
- Reliable
A silly discussion anyway. I don't have to present any arguments to why Hargo should've been bought. SAF bought him because he clearly deemed him to be an asset to the team. But I guess he should've consulted you first.
Too far.
This is getting extremely surreal.
You disagree that he's good?
How about:
- 'English', and wanted badly to come here
- Fantastic work rate
- Excellent right foot. Good FK/PK-taker, brilliant crosses
- Versatile, can be played as a RB, CM and RW
- Experienced
- Reliable
A silly discussion anyway. I don't have to present any arguments to why Hargo should've been bought. SAF bought him because he clearly deemed him to be an asset to the team. But I guess he should've consulted you first.
Agree with most of your points on Hargo but, the comment on SAF consulting him first is rather eh considering that's half the discussions on these boards - getting rid or buying certain players or what SAF/United should do or should have.
Lot of people feel that Hargo wasn't worth it, I disagree but, when it comes to Berba and Ekeke - even if he has changed his tune a little (credit to him) but, deep down with comments that he should have had the power to drive his price down kind if he didn't feel he was worth 30 mil of tells us he doesn't think clearly when it comes to Berba ...
Berba-doubters, I've written your response for you:
"Overall, I was wrong about Berbatov. True enough, he didn't show us all his talents in his first two seasons but he still had flashes of brilliance. He's been excellent this season, and is top scorer in the league whereas Rooney hasn't scored in open play since March. The fact that we're top of the league and Berbatov has scored most of the goals to get us there shows his importance to the team. The jury is still out over whether he can maintain his form until the end of the season, but I have to admit that he is playing very well, and was, after all, a very good player."
"Overall, I was wrong about Berbatov. True enough, he didn't show us all his talents in his first two seasons but he still had flashes of brilliance. He's been excellent this season, and is top scorer in the league whereas Rooney hasn't scored in open play since March. The fact that we're top of the league and Berbatov has scored most of the goals to get us there shows his importance to the team. The jury is still out over whether he can maintain his form until the end of the season, but I have to admit that he is playing very well, and was, after all, a very good player."
What's going on in here? I thought we all agreed, a player's price tag is not his own fault. If there's nothing else, just lay off till next time he doesn't score a goal. That's what Commadus would do
Just to try and explain to those too simple to understand already.
Hating that people overrate a player, or overrate every single thing he does and never, not ever admit that he isnt doing well enough in a particular period - Thats not the same as hating the player. Thats hating the posters who cant tell the truth about said player.
If I bumped into Berbatov, Hargreaves, or crosses, I'd be very nice because I have absolutely nothing against them.
Unlike with their transfer fees, these players have absolutely no power over idiots who want to overrate everything they do on the internet. They didnt sign any paperwork to suggest they'd be okay with it. And most of the players would hold their head in their hands if they saw some of the ridulously over the top things that are said on here about them. The good and the bad.
I actually like Berbatov from what I've seen in interviews. I've enjoyed watching most of them. Course this comment will be ignored because its nice towards him. Next time I say he should have scored one of his chances that he misses, you'll see and quote that.
Hating that people overrate a player, or overrate every single thing he does and never, not ever admit that he isnt doing well enough in a particular period - Thats not the same as hating the player. Thats hating the posters who cant tell the truth about said player.
If I bumped into Berbatov, Hargreaves, or crosses, I'd be very nice because I have absolutely nothing against them.
Unlike with their transfer fees, these players have absolutely no power over idiots who want to overrate everything they do on the internet. They didnt sign any paperwork to suggest they'd be okay with it. And most of the players would hold their head in their hands if they saw some of the ridulously over the top things that are said on here about them. The good and the bad.
I actually like Berbatov from what I've seen in interviews. I've enjoyed watching most of them. Course this comment will be ignored because its nice towards him. Next time I say he should have scored one of his chances that he misses, you'll see and quote that.
He was alright - played well against Arsenal and Liverpool, scored an important free kick, had a couple of good games on the right.
Was some way off being great. He was a very, very basic player at times.
Except that has never happened and you are making it up.
Sorry, that's just turd.
'Oh I'm sorry Sir Alex. I can't handle being a £30m player, so I'll have to decline your offer of joining the biggest club in England where I'll actually have the chance of trophies and success'.
That bit amused me somehow.
Next it will be "he doesn't deliver in the interviews when it counts".
I can't see that happening, somehow.
Berbatov: " (holds head in hands) Just why do they praise me so much on Redcafe? I can't stand it..."
I have to enjoy every interview he does or else I hate him?
I'll add that to the list of ridiculous expectations so as not to be told I hate somebody.
Berbatov: "Eh I do that touch every day in training... I saw John O'Shea do it this morning... Why are they posting the dribbly face? Its almost as if they've never seen a professional footballer have a good touch before"
So you'd sign a contract to be put in a situation you arent comfortable with? Lets see where that gets you in life.
No of course he isnt that dumb, he will have realised that by doing the deal to become our most expensive player he would have to be playing brilliantly week in week out.
He could have told Spurs he would only sign for us. Plenty of other players have done that and gone for lesser fees. Particularly as that would knock City's bid out of the running. Didnt happen though, instead he travelled to have a medical with City. Its clear he wanted to join us instead but he didnt push it through like others have.
He could have waited one more season where Spurs would have less to barter with given the contract has a year less on it. Again lots of players do this to give themselves more power in determining their transfer and the money that comes with it.
In the end he had plenty of power to affect his transfer fee like most players. He chose not to take the specific actions to do so.
Contrast this with Rooney's recent incident. He told us he wanted to leave, at a time when his contract situation wasnt healthy and we didnt have much time to look for a replacement. Had Berbatov let himself get to a similar situation at Spurs his fee would have been a fair bit less and he'd have had more options
So Rooney did good, but bad evil Berbatov did evil by not acting up to drive his price down?
You're seriously mentally ill.
You're seriously mentally ill.
So what about players that sign for small amounts, are they able to say to SAF or the fans "Hey I signed for a small amout, it is alright if I play bad every second game", would that be alright to do?
Ekeke's had an agenda against Berbatov even before he was bought, and you can tell it's annoying him that more and more people are changing their minds about Berbatov and he's now virtually left on his own to pursue his anti-Berba agenda.
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