Well Berbatov hasn't really shine to make us to belive he's going to be a automatic-starter, as far as I can judge.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2010/11 Performances
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Well Berbatov hasn't really shine to make us to belive he's going to be a automatic-starter, as far as I can judge.
But there could be a high chance that this re-occurs in the cold weather?
Lot of wishful thinking regarding Hernandez starting ahead of Berbatov.
The season will start with established players starting and players like Hernandez getting a chance if one is hurt or he really plays badly.
Berbatov and Tevez were established premiership players that started right away, bit desperate to throw Hernandez into the same category.
About the only way Berbatov doesn't start the season for us is if he is sold or hurt. Even SAF has faith in Hernandez ability, he'll bring him on as a sub at first. He's not played a single minute of premiership football or top league football, you really think SAF will start him from the off ahead of Berbatov?
The season will start with established players starting and players like Hernandez getting a chance if one is hurt or he really plays badly.
Berbatov and Tevez were established premiership players that started right away, bit desperate to throw Hernandez into the same category.
About the only way Berbatov doesn't start the season for us is if he is sold or hurt. Even SAF has faith in Hernandez ability, he'll bring him on as a sub at first. He's not played a single minute of premiership football or top league football, you really think SAF will start him from the off ahead of Berbatov?
Complete speculation on my part - it's just what I noticed. And yes, if that is the cause then may well re-occur at one of the busiest parts of the season for us.
There is such a thing of a player kicking off from the get go. (Like Ole scoring on his debut and never looking back)
This guy looks seriously impressive and undaunted by such a high stage in the WC.
If he makes an immediate impression, Berba might not even be starting the home games against Wolves and the like.
Oh and this was funny. I rarely dish out a green smiley but
No matter what Hernandez does even if he scores on his debut and gets goals he will not get ahead of Berba. Tevez was benched at times after scoring goals so there is a strong chance so will Hernandez.
Think about it - Berbatov has low confidence - the last thing he and SAF needs is someone like Hernadez knocking on the door. SAF has indulged Berba alot, putting an arm around his shoulder and helping him along he knows that he can bench Hernandez afte a good performance but not Berba as Berba needs to have the faith of SAF behind him.
Think about it - Berbatov has low confidence - the last thing he and SAF needs is someone like Hernadez knocking on the door. SAF has indulged Berba alot, putting an arm around his shoulder and helping him along he knows that he can bench Hernandez afte a good performance but not Berba as Berba needs to have the faith of SAF behind him.
Berbatov has had the backing and the arm round the shoulder, he still hasnt done it. So it doesnt matter what he needs. He hasnt convinced and he probably isnt going to. Hernandez, due to type of player he is, will score goals at a decent rate for us. He's a fox in the box ala Rooney and that was our route to goal last season, with our great wideplay. Will he score at a rate thats better than Berbatov? Probably not. Not at first anyway. But he will improve over time and do a decent enough job as a target next to Rooney. As I say, the manager has clearly tried to softer approach. Maybe being left out of the side for a string of matches whilst someone else gets a proper chance will see a different response. And if it doesnt work? At least we'd have bedded in our new striker and he'd have gained some confidence/form. If Berbatov went back into the side and still wasnt doing the business, we'd have the perfect player to bring on for him and change the match.
I'm certainly not saying that he won't play a part this season. That could come from the start or later on. Hernandez hasn't stepped onto the pitch in a United shirt yet though. He could definitely come off the bench in his first game and bag a hat trick and become a starter. To say that he'll walk into the lineup from the get go without even training with the team is probably more down to wanting Berbatov out than thinking Hernandez will do a job. My two cents at least.
I'm still waiting for that performance Dimitar.
I have it on good authority that he is really putting in the effort and training hard to be in good shape for the start of the season. I also watched him in a pick-up game with some of his friends last week and he is really enjoying himself and in good spirits. So, I for one, am hoping that he wil have a great season for us and prove all the doubters wrong.
Tim Howard started straight away; Barthez's displays were far superior to what we've seen from Berbatov during his two years at the club.
I wouldn't go that far - Berbatov may have disappointed, but he hasn't been disastrous like that clown.
Barthez fecked off immediately though. The situation would only be comparable if Berbatov immediately moved elsewhere on loan.
Herndandez, Rooney, Nani, King, Obertan, Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf - all under 25. And are all talented players.
Some of our fans are such spoilt twats it's hard to comprehend at times.
He needs to feck off and stop wasting everybody's time and money.
Jesus Christ, this thread is still alive?!
Anyone going to scrape the Caf barrel for the 'Hargreaves Due to be Fit in 2-3 weeks' thread, too?
Anyone going to scrape the Caf barrel for the 'Hargreaves Due to be Fit in 2-3 weeks' thread, too?
That's an understatement bordering on the extreme. Truth is that Berbatov has been shite for us. End of.
This.
I wouldn't go that far - Berbatov may have disappointed, but he hasn't been disastrous like that clown.
Bullshit. This is typical of what is wrong with the people here. As long as a player is registered with the club many defend him like they are on heavy medication, and as soon as the garbage is sold it's officially safe and sound to agree with the nay-sayers. Bloody rubber-ducks.
Who cares what Berbatov needs? It's about United and United only. Fergie is not going to put anyone before the club. Berbatov can feck off if he's so needy. There's simply no place for that at such a big club. He's better off at the likes of Sunderland if he needs to feel so loved and is such a fragile personality.
What's a mam?
Look I understand your point of view and most know I am not a Berba Fan but there is no point cutting your nose to spite your face.
It's very likely we will not sell him over the summer so SAF has to get the best from in as he has only 2 years left on his contract.
Berba has done the following 86 appearances, 26 goals. What is the likelihood he can repeat that? Very high. What is the likelihood that Hernandez can at least equal that ie get 12-14 goals next season? Much lower.
It makes sense to use Berba as much as possible in the next 2 years and then let him go on a free and accept that it was a bad decision. I don't think he will perform much different.
Can only agree that sadly SAF will not offload him this summer.
I would happily take a bet that Little Pea will produce a better goal/appearance ratio than the flop next season. Cannot see him getting near a 86/26 ratio again and Chico has a 16/9 for Mexico. Don't underestimate this kid.
There's no point keeping Berbatov unless he has a substantive contribution to make to the team.
The cash has already gone, so ANY cash we get for him by way of a sale is cash IN.
Accounting-wise, he is a depreciating asset on the balance sheet, but United still incur expenditure through his wages.
I say sell him, for everybody's benefit.
The cash has already gone, so ANY cash we get for him by way of a sale is cash IN.
Accounting-wise, he is a depreciating asset on the balance sheet, but United still incur expenditure through his wages.
I say sell him, for everybody's benefit.
That means SAF admitting a mistake and that only happens 10 years after the event like Stam.
Berba is with us.
Oh my. United need to get the best out of their players, and therefore we care about what the players need. I thought that was blatantly obvious. But nothing is when it comes to Berbatov, and to muppets.
I find this thread so depressing; forget the stats, the rhetoric, the lazy journalism, the plastic fans and the ill-informed commentators. The fact is that Berbatov is a quality footballer, he would not look out of place training with Messi, Kaka, Ronaldo et al. He hasn't lived up to his potential at utd yet and he never will unless he feels the support of the club (this is true for so many of our confidence players). It's clear to all but the most deluded that Berbatov will get at least another year to make it happen so for fecks sake get behind him. Honestly if you can't have faith in a player of his ability then this really isn't the sport for you.
Yeah, but he's shit though
A mother.
No one argues rationally that he is not skillful. The consensus is that he has been ineffective for us for two seasons long.
If he cannot reconcile himself to the fact that fans can be fickle, but that they will support ANY player so long as he tries his damndest, then this really isn't the sport for him.
Why EXACTLY do you think that fans are on his back all the time. Bless him, O'Shea is a bit agricultural at times, but he rarely lets the team down.
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Yep, it was quite a puzzling statement. Berba has not done anything in his career even for Spurs or Leverkusen to suggest he should be in this category.
He looked fantastic for Spurs for 2 half seasons, that is all
I'll never forget his turn at the byline for Ronaldo's second against the Hammers. Sublime bit of skill.
It was stunning, and this was at the beginning of his career with us. And remains his standout moment
We need to get rid as long as we can get some money for him. I'm not interested about the rubbish talk about him being world-class. Yes, he has some sublime skills and a great first touch. World-class he is not and seeing he's about 30, chances he will become world-class in the near future are low. Sell him and reinvest the money. He was a great player for Spurs, but it was more the phenomenon of the big fish in a small pond.
Yep tore poor James Collins a new one, probably has been mentioned a billion times too
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