It's no even being pedantic. He is just good at playing the idiot when he wants to. A very patronizing and arrogant one at that.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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His style of play would never endure him to fans sure and as SAF said everyone loves a trier but application and improvement would. Rooney was not a very good header of the ball but as we speak has scored quite a few headers this season. Carrick was never going to endear himself to fans the way a Fletcher would but he has improved his scoring, passing etc since coming here.
Even Rio when he 1st came was not the most popular with his languid style and mistakes but that improved and since then has become more popular. I'm just not seeing the same improvement in Berbatov.
Is it his fault or is it unfair or me to demand it of him at 28/29? I would think its unfair to expect him to be Torres. That being said I don't think improved fitness and therefore improved running are that much to ask for especially when you are chasing a goal in a tie against Bayern and they play a pass to a keeper who has proved to not be a good kicker under pressure and you just stand there. That is always going to piss people off.
no more, no more, no more... please!
at the gifAll the players you mentioned who improved were no where near 28 when they improved. Yet you want someone who is at his peak, set in a certain style of play to arrive here and change it? Is that really fair?
Till people learn to accept Berbatov for the type of player he is and stop comparing him to the likes of Rooney, they will never be satisfied with him. Period!
Berbatov is a slow, languid player. When he walks it will resemble a lazy stroll, when he sprints it will resemble a job, when he is at a full pelt, that's when he will look like he started running, when he shoots it will resemble a nonchalant swing and when he is in a deep position he WILL NEVER arrive in the box quick enough to be there for a cross. Simply because he isn't quick enough off the mark.
Till people accept him for what he is they will always be pissed off. He is basically the striker version of Riquelme. Everything except his thinking is down in slow motion. Which make shim appear lazy, unlike a Riquelme who really is lazy.
Or he just jogs at times, doesn't really attempt to get on the end of things
This is true, you can't really deny that sometimes he just doesn't bust his balls to get into the box. The cross from Giggs in the first half on Sunday is a prime example.
This seems to be and endless discussion.
Pro's and con's, stats and expectations. £30m-player or not. Together with many other caf-members I can, after nearly two seasons, judge the quality Berbatov brings to our team with my own eyes, with or without stats.
The question is;
a) sell him for approx £10-20m and reinvest the money in a new player
b) keep him 3 more years and use him approx 20-30 games/year often against the bottom half of the table and end up with a loss of £20-35m (£10-20m +3x£5m in wages), if you are comfortable with his contribution
For me It's simple. Sell and reinvest!
Pro's and con's, stats and expectations. £30m-player or not. Together with many other caf-members I can, after nearly two seasons, judge the quality Berbatov brings to our team with my own eyes, with or without stats.
The question is;
a) sell him for approx £10-20m and reinvest the money in a new player
b) keep him 3 more years and use him approx 20-30 games/year often against the bottom half of the table and end up with a loss of £20-35m (£10-20m +3x£5m in wages), if you are comfortable with his contribution
For me It's simple. Sell and reinvest!
Rather you think he is jogging. That's Berbatov sprinting I'm afraid. Only at full pelt would he get to a cross form deep. And at full pelt he'd be too tired to do anything with it. For he isn't a stamina icon like a Rooney.
If he had ran at full pelt to get to that ball he'd have been too knackered to do squat with it. Some of you think he has the energy levels of Rooney or Tevez and is just being a scrooge with them.
Not sure that comment is in his favour tbh.
ha ha, come on Chief, I'm sure he aint that unfit that he couldn't have bust his balls to get in the box just as Nani headed the ball down the channel to Giggs and still have a finish on him. I mean, if the boy is knackered in the first half of a match after a 15 yard run then he's seriously got problems.
I think it's more the case of what you mentioned earlier, busting his balls in that type of situation just isn't his game, it's time we just accepted that.
I personally can't accept that, unless his productivity is through the roof I don't think I ever could
I mean "accept it" as in, it aint worth discussing anymore, it's just the way it is.
Why? WE all know he doesn't have Rooney or Tevez's energy levels. So why do people keep expecting him to achieve what the energy levels of those 2 can?
Seriously, why expect a 2 tonne truck to accelerate like a Ferrari?
Yes. It's a financial loss. But if he performs on the pitch it's a gain from a sporting perspective, which obviously can't be accounted for in terms of straightforward financial gains or losses. Using your logic, if, for example, Rooney stays for his whole career, and retires with us, it's a 'loss' of £30m (approx) = wages.
Footballers values should only be measured in terms of transfer fees if you are looking to sell them on again. You factor in the value they gave you in a playing sense. Anyone who thinks we bought Berba with a view to gaining any sort of substantial sale value is crazy. And dealing in absolutes such as 'he's been a success/failure' don't take account of the fact that while he may not have been what we hoped for, he's still contributed in the last couple of seasons.
You are simply not getting what I mean. Running at full pelt, is running the fastest you possibly can. Most people after that can't do much after that for a few minutes. That is what I mean by knackered. What's the point of getting to a cross and being too out of breathe to do use it?
I get pissed of when people claim Rooney ''bursts a gut"' to get in the box. Bullshit. He hardly strains himself. It's commoin place sprinting for him.
Rather expecting him to always run about at full pelt isn't his game. No player alive can do that. It's high time people accepted how slow he actually is. Or they will always hate him.
a 2 tonne truck is hard as feck though and can be jack of all trades vehicle.
the bulgarian is soft as diarrhea and extremely un-versatile.
so neither is he a ferrari nor a truck. a wank lada perhaps?
Alot of people are talking about his lack of pace as a negative, the thing is he's built a successful career on a game almost totally unreliant on speed. This tells me that he could play some of the best football of his career in his early thirties and it would be a huge mistake to cut our losses now. I know it's almost become a cliche on this forum but I really do see similarities between Berbatov and Sheringham; Ferguson wouldn't have spent upwards of 30mil on a player who only had three years left at the top level.
Comparing a 2 tonne truck to a Ferrari is like comparing a carthorse to a racehorse.
Either way if you asked someone what they'd prefer, it would likely be the Ferrari or the racehorse.
The problem with Berbatov is that he doesn't consistently do anything with the energy he has got. Some touches of brilliance, yes, but overall we aren't getting a full package.
The key word is reinvest. Otherwise I agree with you
I just spent about 20 seconds wondering what rein-vest is.
Berba getting stick from practically everywhere including myself but did I hear right today that last night was Anelka's first goal in 14 league games and has got no stick from anyone
We should be applauding him for such a return really.
But seriously, I couldn't care less about Anelka and what return he's managed.
Maybe because their "main man" is Drogba?
I don't watch Chelsea so can't comment on Anelka's all-round performance - does he look as though he's trying? Has he created for others?
That's not bad. I use plenty of minutes every week to look in the dictionary. Otherwise I don't understand Pouge, Cheif and the rest of the bunch
Btw That's the reason I wait for a poster with similar opinion, and copy that one with "This" under it, instead of continue to write poor English
That's not bad. I use plenty of minutes every week to look in the dictionary. Otherwise I don't understand Pouge, Cheif and the rest of the bunch
Btw That's the reason I wait for a poster with similar opinion, and copy that one with "This" under it, instead of continue to write poor English
Yes, but you've got an excuse. I'm English.
But then of course our main man is Rooney, like yourself I would be no expert on Chelsea.
What masks the stat for Anelka is that Lampard has scored 17 PL goals this season.
That's true.
I've no idea what Anelka's contribution has been to Chelsea's cause this season though - maybe he was brilliant in the first half of the season?
Which isn't the point is it? Peole liek youw ant him to perform like a 30 million pound player. News Flash! HE HAS NEVER BEEN 1!!
In your wettest of dreams. I bet he could wipe the floor with you in a fight.
Exactly. You don't take a carthorse to a racing circuit and complain that it's finishing last.
What they prefer matters little. You don't start wanting a truck to be a Ferrari, and start complaining when it isn't one. You instead accept that it's a truck & judge and expect things from it accord to what it is.
What ''full package''? People like you want what he can NEVER give you. That's the problem. You people want him to perform like Rooney does when he isn't Rooney. You just hide it behind excuses like 'he should put in more effort'' and 'busting a gut' to mention but a few.
No one in here can convince me Berbatov is not doing for us what a second choice striker worth 20-23m pounds should be doing. Instead because you can't accept we over paid for him, you want to crucify him by a value which isn't his real value and by styles which will never be his.
Its' funny how he always gets blamed for not performing like a Rooney in a formation and team that are built to Rooney's strengths and not his.
I wonder if the fact he plays mostly on the wing for Chelsea and didn't cost them 30 million pounds has anything to do with that?
Perhaps
Thats still too much, by like 10 million.
No one wants him to perform like Rooney - we want him to perform like the player his performances throughout his pre-United career suggested he was.
You shouldn't need convincing by us that he's failing to do exactly what 'a second choice striker worth 23m pounds should be doing'. It's fairly obvious from watching a match that Berbatov himself isn't happy with his performances, and the last 2 weeks have taught us that SAF isn't happy either.
Berbatov looks constantly disgusted with himself on the pitch, and in interviews off it continually expresses disappointment with his form.
The game against Bayern last week made Ferguson's feelings about Berbatov's ability to contribute meaningfully to the team during key matches abundantly clear.
I think some of you are hanging your hats on the old 'I'm with SAF on this...' argument, ie: since Fergie is persevering with him he must be doing alright.
The fact is that Berbatov has been indulged more than any player I can think of throughout SAF's entire United era. Do you think someone so publically disillusioned with the game, showing such negative body language would have been tolerated by SAF in the 90's? Frankly, his attitude would have looked doubly horrendous seen in context of the great Keane, Bruce, Robson sides.
SAF is managing with one hand tied behind his back and I suspect he can't man-manage as he would like and as he has the last 25 years. He has to stick with Berbatov now but believe me, ten years ago he'd have been through the Old Trafford door in the summer, no question.
Is a prolific strike partner a good reason for a lowered goal return?
The dumbest thing you've said in your life. You think the performances he put in at Spurs for 2 years were only that of a 10 million pound player?
No, thats not what I meant. I meant that the focus is more on Drogba, and probably the expectation too.
A good player but goes nowhere near living up his price tag.
Without that hand tied behind his back Ferguson would have brought in another world CDM to replace Hargreaves and CAM to replace Scholes last summer. We'd then be watching Berbatov play in a team with decent foundations behind him and be in a position to judge him. As is he should have stayed at Spurs, swap Berbatov for Crouch in that team and they'd be fighting Arsenal for third.
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