Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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Pogue Mahone said:
:lol:

Tempted to but I'm a glutton for an argument so I'll keep on reading them.



Yeah, I actually agree with all of that. There's an intangible quality to someone like Tevez which means he's the definition a big game player. I was thinking about this recently. I don't know why some players have this uncanny ability to bundle a goal in with their arse in the really big games but the ones that do are like gold-dust. It's absolutely no surprise that the fecker keeps scoring against us and it's a real shame we couldn't find a way to keep him motivated and performaing at United.

Berbatov is clearly cut from different cloth and he hasn't looked anything like a big-game player for United. The fact he has done for Spurs means I think (hope!) he can recreate that form at United but it might well be a bridge too far for him, mentally. He seems to lack the belief that he belongs on the biggest stage of all. I do think the fans have to share at least some responsibilty for this, due to being so reluctant to take to him (no doubt due to how much they loved Tevez) but the onus is now on Berbatov to "do a Nani" and put in a really big performance in a massive game, to start building some bridges.

This weekend would be a good time to start...
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A glutton for an argument who's stopped arguing?

Have I finally got my gripe across about Dimi (I can't believe Rubber has started calling him Dimi too - fool!) that it's not that he's shite per se, but lazy and not much good when the pressure's on?! Hooray.
 
Boss said:
Alot of fans just can't stomach his style of play, it will always go against him
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Indeed.

Playing with that style means he really needs to be doing special things all the time and in important games in order to be loved by the fans. Fletcher/Rooney/Tevez/Hargreaves will always be loved even when playing shite, as SAF said fans love a trier.
 
misterredmist said:
Berbatov is a class player and offers the team something very different - those
of you who just mark players for running around like headless chickens chasing shadows
don't appreciate a top quality footballer when you see one, and would probably have complained about Cantona.......
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Yes, he offers the team the odd & good flick every now and then. It's not strange the rest of team fails to respond to that because it happens so damn rarely. He also offer something completely different as he avoids getting involved when we need goals. Not sure what qualifies for the term "class" player in your book, but from the look of it can't be a book we are talking about here, but a paper-thin pamphlet.

Do yourself a favor and abstein from mentioning Cantona and Berbatov in the same sentence. There is nothing Cantona about Berbatov. And no, not one single fan complained about Cantona's contribution to the team ever when he was here. You don't get half of Manchester (and all over the globe, for that matter) calling you "God" easily. Takes more than the odd flick of the ball, I can tell you that.
 
Dans said:
A glutton for an argument who's stopped arguing?

Have I finally got my gripe across about Dimi (I can't believe Rubber has started calling him Dimi too - fool!) that it's not that he's shite per se, but lazy and not much good when the pressure's on?! Hooray.
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*sigh*

Where did I say he was lazy?

As for "not much good when the pressure's on", we'll obviously have to agree to disagree. There's a world of difference between being someone who isn't at the same level as Tevez when it comes to being a big game player and being "not much good when the pressure's on"

The amount of times he's scored our first goal this season (remember? that whole bit where someone pointed out you were making shit up?) proves that he is capable of being a player who can change a game. He's yet to do this for United in a really big game but that's got to be at least partly down to him hardly featuring in any of those games this season. He's proved at Spurs (and in Germany) that he's quite capable of scoring/performing in big games.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
*sigh*

Where did I say he was lazy?

As for "not much good when the pressure's on", we'll obviously have to agree to disagree. There's a world of difference between being someone who isn't at the same level as Tevez when it comes to being a big game player and being "not much good when the pressure's on"

The amount of times he's scored our first goal this season (remember? that whole bit where someone pointed out you were making shit up?) proves that he is capable of being a player who can change a game. He's yet to do this for United in a really big game but that's got to be at least partly down to him hardly featuring in any of those games this season. He's proved at Spurs (and in Germany) that he's quite capable of scoring/performing in big games.
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*faint/puke/shite/piss/gulp/nosepick*

I wasn't suggesting you agreed with me but that you might finally realise that I am not saying he's a shite player as such.

PS 1st goals against mediocre opposition

PPS making shit up? plenty of his goals come when we are finishing teams off being 2 or more up already - it was about 30% wasn't it? That's not making things up.
 
I mean, frankly, Berbatov could look great in a Harlem Globetrotting type team if flicks and shite is what you consider important. Stick him in a circus - maxmium talent usage.
 
Dans said:
*faint/puke/shite/piss/gulp/nosepick*

I wasn't suggesting you agreed with me but that you might finally realise that I am not saying he's a shite player as such.

PS 1st goals against mediocre opposition

PPS making shit up? plenty of his goals come when we are finishing teams off being 2 or more up already - it was about 30% wasn't it? That's not making things up.
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The making shit up stuff was your very clear implication that Berbatov is a player who will score mainly meaningless goals, when we're two or more goals to the good.

You know this though. You're just being needlessly pedantic to avoid conceding a point (the bane of redcafe/the internet).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
The making shit up stuff was your very clear implication that Berbatov is a player who will score mainly meaningless goals, when we're two or more goals to the good.

You know this though. You're just being needlessly pedantic to avoid conceding a point (the bane of redcafe/the internet).
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30% wasn't it?

I didn't make shite up - I (think) I said that he seems to often score goals when we are 2 or more goals up. A third of the time qualifies as often in my book. But you keep ignoring that and having an argument for the sake of it.
 
Dans said:
I mean, frankly, Berbatov could look great in a Harlem Globetrotting type team if flicks and shite is what you consider important. Stick him in a circus - maxmium talent usage.
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Oh come on now. When these 'flicks and shite' actually put players through on goal or develop an attach positively, there is nothing wrong with them, is there? They make the game better and worth watching. Call me old school but I like to watch beautiful football. Otherwise I would support Inter Milan.

Of course, results are key but if they can be achived with a touch of skill, even better.
 
A grade said:
Oh come on now. When these 'flicks and shite' actually put players through on goal or develop an attach positively, there is nothing wrong with them, is there? They make the game better and worth watching. Call me old school but I like to watch beautiful football. Otherwise I would support Inter Milan.
Of course, results are key but if they can be achived with a touch of skill, even better.
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:lol:nice one
 
I was taking the piss out of that misterredmist quote.
 
Dans said:
30% wasn't it?

I didn't make shite up - I (think) I said that he seems to often score goals when we are 2 or more goals up. A third of the time qualifies as often in my book. But you keep ignoring that and having an argument for the sake of it.
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:lol:

For feck's sake.

If that's your definition of "often", I hope you're more succesful than "often" getting a ride out of your missus when the mood takes you!
 
Sharky7 said:
Indeed.

Playing with that style means he really needs to be doing special things all the time and in important games in order to be loved by the fans. Fletcher/Rooney/Tevez/Hargreaves will always be loved even when playing shite, as SAF said fans love a trier.
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Somehow, certain posts/posters make it seem a negative thing if a player gives 100% effort week in week out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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For feck's sake.

If that's your definition of "often", I hope you're more succesful than "often" getting a ride out of your missus when the mood takes you!
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1 in 3 days is more than often. That's positively frequent.
 
B Cantona said:
Two birds one stone and all that!
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I've seen pictures of you brad and you didn't look short at all ;)

Dans said:
30% wasn't it?

I didn't make shite up - I (think) I said that he seems to often score goals when we are 2 or more goals up. A third of the time qualifies as often in my book. But you keep ignoring that and having an argument for the sake of it.
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5 out of Berbatov's 12 goals have been first goal, or 41%
12 out of Rooney's 26 goals have been first goal or 46%
8 out Drogba's 25 goals have been first goal or 32%
6 out of Tevez's 22 goals have been first goal or 27%
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
I've seen pictures of you brad and you didn't look short at all ;)



5 out of Berbatov's 12 goals have been first goal, or 41%
12 out of Rooney's 26 goals have been first goal or 46%
8 out Drogba's 25 goals have been first goal or 32%
6 out of Tevez's 22 goals have been first goal or 27%
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Stats are a mother eh? lol! I guess you have to add match winners to even it out, they are just as, if not more important.
 
Boss said:
:lol:Honestly, I think Berba has truly surpassed Ronaldo as the most polemic player ever.
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We could freak a few people out though couldn't we. Next time we're down at the pub watching an away game say vs. Sunderland and a mate asks "how do you reckon Berbatov will do today?"

"Well Berbatov always does well against them, in 06/07 whilst playing for Tottenham, he had 2 assists and a goal, he covered 7.1km at an average speed of 5km per hour, his pass completion rate was 85% with 62% forward balls"

"In 07/08 he found it a little harder, creating just one goal and covering only 6.2km blah blah blah"
 
Boss said:
Stats are a mother eh? lol! I guess you have to add match winners to even it out, they are just as, if not more important.
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Yeah although we do tend to win games we score first in.

Interestingly the only players to break the deadlock for us this year are;
Giggs x1
Scholes x2
Fletcher x1
Valencia x1
Berbatov x5
Rooney x12
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
I've seen pictures of you brad and you didn't look short at all ;)



5 out of Berbatov's 12 goals have been first goal, or 41%
12 out of Rooney's 26 goals have been first goal or 46%
8 out Drogba's 25 goals have been first goal or 32%
6 out of Tevez's 22 goals have been first goal or 27%
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That's still low for a 2nd striker. Rather than compare Berba to Rooney, Drogba, or Tevez, how about we compare him to Anelka, Bellamy, and the second strikers at other clubs.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
That's still low for a 2nd striker. Rather than compare Berba to Rooney, Drogba, or Tevez, how about we compare him to Anelka, Bellamy, and the second strikers at other clubs.
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no more, no more, no more... please!

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Twisted_Woody said:
That's still low for a 2nd striker. Rather than compare Berba to Rooney, Drogba, or Tevez, how about we compare him to Anelka, Bellamy, and the second strikers at other clubs.
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Gerrard 3 out of 7 - 42%
Bellamy 0 out of 9 - 0%
Arshavin 3 out of 9 - 33%
Anelka 6 out of 8 - 75%

Apart from Anelka who batters basically everyone in the league Berbatov competes nicely.
 
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