Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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Well, for me it takes a lot to get to the stage where i REALLY lose faith in a player. Christ, i never even lost faith in Nani (although admittedly i got very frustrated at times) but i am now officially jumping on the berbawagon.

The momentary flashes of brilliance don't make up for the times where a little effort, commitment and fighting spirit could have changed the game in our favour.

Time to cut our losses.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Why do you think a forward is likely to spend more time moaning to his wingers/strike partner than anyone else?
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No shit.

Point is though he wont have a go at Rooney or Giggs.

Maybe Berbatov thinks that stepping up and being a senior player means having a go at others.

I would rather see him encourage those around him rather than moaning at them from the opening minute.
 
HsJ said:
He can, but he doesnt do it often enough. Acceptable rate for a team like Spurs...but not for United.

He didn't run the show in the 1st half. He walked around doing a midfielders job. He should have been supplying an outlet for the wingers either in the box or slightly deeper. Not on the feckin half way line. Nobody ran the show for us today, if they did - we'd have won.



I guess so. I'd assume Rooney will be back for City though. Back to 4-5-1. Berba on the bench.
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I hope.

Dans said:
It really doesn't matter anymore. The title is lost. This is the perfect opportunity to drop Berbatov to the bench to help us next season in the unfortunate circumstance that we find ourselves still with him in our team.

He needs something to think about.

Problem may be that he'll just sulk even more and perhaps really cry.

There's no winning with him.
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The only problem with not playing him is he is still earning a giant salary while his transfer value plummets. Given the financial outlook, United need every penny.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I stopped reading your venom there. A lot of the time he rightly moaned at his team mates because they were fecking being shit. He wasn't moaning at them for the sake FFS. Hew was even constantly cursing himself when he got things wrong, like the two shots late on. Some of you are too blinded by hate to ever honestly access the fella.
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Maybe some are also too blinded by love. :)

I don't dislike him - I think he's very skilful. But he needs to be more than that.
 
42 euros said:
I try to read all posts in a thread but this is moving so fast I've given up so I'll just throw my opinion on the fire. To all his supporters this is the first time I have ever targeted one United player but he has to take the blame.

Berbatov is now a luxury United can no longer afford. Yes he has some skills but one or two nice flicks or holding up a ball is simply not good enough. A forward for United has to have the ability of creating a goal out of nothing. Berbatov has never looked capable of that...ever. He can't work in a 4-5-1 and he can't work in a 4-4-2 so to all his fanboi's out there - tell me were he can work?

Once he's gone (which I hope to god is soon) the only way he will be remembered is as an expensive mistake. Sabre Veron II. Reading some of the defending on here is laughable!
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Absolute bullshit, he looked like creating a goal for Valencia from nothing today.
 
Brocky In Black said:
Well, for me it takes a lot to get to the stage where i REALLY lose faith in a player. Christ, i never even lost faith in Nani (although admittedly i got very frustrated at times) but i am now officially jumping on the berbawagon.

The momentary flashes of brilliance don't make up for the times where a little effort, commitment and fighting spirit could have changed the game in our favour.

Time to cut our losses.
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This about sums it up for me.
 
I could never see us selling him before today but his second hald performance makes me wonder now. He could still turn it around though, Andy Cole took a couple of seasons to find his feet here, same could be for Berba.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I stopped reading your venom there. A lot of the time he rightly moaned at his team mates because they were fecking being shit. He wasn't moaning at them for the sake FFS. Hew was even constantly cursing himself when he got things wrong, like the two shots late on. Some of you are too blinded by hate to ever honestly access the fella.
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Its not hate or Venom I have been extremley patient up to now but this was his time to stand up and be counted and its just not good enough from him, its time someone told him that Ferguson should be giving the hairdryer right now. He's had two years and failed so far. If he is here next year he needs to seriously increase his performance levels. You see the frustrating part is everyone knows he can be really good and bring quality to the attacking third but he's so sulky and stuck in his ways, he messing his career up here.
 
CptMarvel said:
Absolute bullshit, he looked like creating a goal for Valencia from nothing today.
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His best moment, which Valencia completely scuffed.

Valencia is another issue all together but that will come to the surface next season.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
I hope.



The only problem with not playing him is he is still earning a giant salary while his transfer value plummets. Given the financial outlook, United need every penny.
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I think benching him will hold his value whereas playing him will lower it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I'd love to know why you're making that observation now. Because it's got nothing to do with today's game.
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Today he spent more time moaning at his teammates for not passing or losing the ball then putting in some effort and winning the thing back.

He is far more vocal when Rooney is not on the pitch - but it all seems to be pretty fecking negative.
 
CptMarvel said:
Absolute bullshit, he looked like creating a goal for Valencia from nothing today.
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I said creating a goal not creating an oppourtunity for someone else to score or miss, which ever United player is capable of doing.
 
Towards the end of the second half when he slipped as a ball was played towards him and he got a load of abuse from the Blackburn fans, he looked like a broken man to me there, looked like he'd given up.
 
Name Changed said:
Where was he when Macheda went off? He was obviously the striker and Gibson and Park were not brought on to play as strikers. He was obviously meant to be up front after Macheda went off anyway. We had nobody in the box. If that was a decision by SAF, then it was absolutely stupid. I don't think it was. There is no way a manager would take off his only striker when we needed a goal to salvage the lead. Not even Brian Laws would do that. The midfielders were never going to arrive in numbers. Scholes hasn't the legs anymore, and Gibson isn't exactly blessed with pace. Nani and Valencia had the ball on the wings constantly with nobody to cross to. I don't understand it. Either SAF or Berbatov is to blame for that.
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Is what I've been saying all along.

Berbatov's consistency in dropping deep like that must mean he has licence from Ferguson... or that he just has so few options that he's begrudgingly letting him trivialise his instructions till he can get someone else in.
 
Who's going to want him then, for a price we're probably willing to sell?
 
Eriku said:
Is what I've been saying all along.

Berbatov's consistency in dropping deep like that must mean he has licence from Ferguson... or that he just has so few options that he's begrudgingly letting him trivialise his instructions till he can get someone else in.
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It was obvious at the start that that was the plan. It could not have been once Macheda went off though.
 
Twisted_Woody said:
You are missing the point. Ok, he had two shots on target. They are directly into the keepers arms.

Macheda, 10 years younger than Berba, had nothing. Ok fine. Point of comparison though, Macheda is learning, and Berba is almost 30. Macheda didn't cost 30 million pounds.

Macheda isn't considered starting 11 quality yet.

If you were comparing Berbatov and Tevez (last season), or Berba and Rooney, then ok fair play but to compare a youth player to a "seasoned veteran" is a bit much.

We could almost compare Nani or Valencia to Berba and see whether they had more attempts at goal, and then say that it shows they are better forward than Berbatov.

Is it true? No, they are wingers, but we can make stats look like what we want.
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I'm not really missing the point though, am I? Our four main attacking players on the pitch are picked to set up chances, and to score chances. No one scored any, obviously, but Berbatov was generally the most lively in both disciplines.

Right now the crux of the matter is this, when Rooney plays he somewhat carries the team. Berbatov is not Rooney, and is never likely to be a player who can come in and have the same effect. The problem isn't that we don't have a second forward who can carry the team when needed, it's that our team shouldn't need to be carried by the front man.
 
Dans said:
feck me. I posted in the Carrick thread to humour you.
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Yeah, right.

And even if so, that doesn't mean you're not being a hypocrite about doing so. And I still did only respond to something you'd said when I DID bring Carrick up in here.
 
Livvie said:
Maybe some are also too blinded by love. :)
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:lol: You :devil: You:D

Livvie said:
I don't dislike him - I think he's very skilful. But he needs to be more than that.
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I agree. I'm fan of his. But I can't understand why he and United don't fit together often. Either he is functioning and the team shit, or he is shit and the team is functioning, or like today, they are all shit and he cuts a frustrated and pissed off figure in the end. It' baffling.
 
Dans said:
I think benching him will hold his value whereas playing him will lower it.
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You have worse outlook than I do.:lol:

CptMarvel said:
So your saying that the forum will continue acting like spoilt blind retards, just with a different focal point.
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That.

And I think he is very one dimensional, and as he ages and loses his pace he'll become almost useless. At the moment he's very good at the whole, run down the wing, beat his man, cross/pass the ball. But without his pace that won't happen.

Thinking about it, I'm wrong, it won't happen next season, it will happen whenever he loses his pace. Perhaps his late 20's, early 30's.

I wish he'd get a left foot. But hat is for another thread.
 
HsJ said:
He can, but he doesnt do it often enough. Acceptable rate for a team like Spurs...but not for United.

He didn't run the show in the 1st half. He walked around doing a midfielders job. He should have been supplying an outlet for the wingers either in the box or slightly deeper. Not on the feckin half way line. Nobody ran the show for us today, if they did - we'd have won.
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I've read about 3 of your posts in this thread and I'm already under the impression you're a clueless idiot that doesn't watch much football but is very good at finding those bandwagons and jumping aboard.

"He didn't run the show in the 1st half. "
He was by far our best player in the first half and very rarely, if at all, gave the ball away.

"He walked around doing a midfielders job."
He was playing as a deep, playmaking forward, what was he supposed to be doing?

He should have been supplying an outlet for the wingers either in the box or slightly deeper. Not on the feckin half way line.
I take it you didn't see his pass for the chance that Valencia should have scored, or the many occasions he played the ball out wide only for the service into the middle to be poor then. Also, how is he supposed to play the ball forwards into the box or slightly deeper if he isn't around the half way line?

Some of the posters on this forum have this blind hatred of him and refuse to accept anything he does as positive.
 
MrK said:
I'm not really missing the point though, am I? Our four main attacking players on the pitch are picked to set up chances, and to score chances. No one scored any, obviously, but Berbatov was generally the most lively in both disciplines.

Right now the crux of the matter is this, when Rooney plays he somewhat carries the team. Berbatov is not Rooney, and is never likely to be a player who can come in and have the same effect. The problem isn't that we don't have a second forward who can carry the team when needed, it's that our team shouldn't need to be carried by the front man.
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That is a fair point.

However he did have some service. I'm thinking of Nani's ball across the box that he was just to slow to get a foot on and the defender cleared for a corner.
 
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