I thought Heskey filled the 'Non Goalscoring striker' box
Honestly though, I can't see us selling him at over £20million loss in just 2 seasons.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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I thought Heskey filled the 'Non Goalscoring striker' box
Honestly though, I can't see us selling him at over £20million loss in just 2 seasons.
Rather I'm just saying his body language showed he cared. You claimed the opposite.
For the record I'm never happy when I see a player as desperate and frustrated as he looked today, with their confidence shot when looking at their body language. The last player I saw look like this in a United shirt, that was Forlan, left soon after.
Goodbye Dimitar.
Perhaps SAF only requires him to hold the fort for those two or three years, until Ronaldo comes back home?
You have worse outlook than I do.
That.
And I think he is very one dimensional, and as he ages and loses his pace he'll become almost useless. At the moment he's very good at the whole, run down the wing, beat his man, cross/pass the ball. But without his pace that won't happen.
Thinking about it, I'm wrong, it won't happen next season, it will happen whenever he loses his pace. Perhaps his late 20's, early 30's.
I wish he'd get a left foot. But hat is for another thread.
As he slows he'll either adapt like Giggs had to or he won't. One advantage that he does have though is experience playing in the centre.
Perhaps SAF only requires him to hold the fort for those two or three years, until Ronaldo comes back home?
Obertan for the win.Instead of a one footed Ecuadorian who can only cross from the touchline, we'll have a two footed Frenchman who runs over it.
You might've happened to raise that point to the favour of my point of view (though I'd still disagree, Carrick's been worse.. his form this season isn't something I've been trying to play up), but it's about you being a hypocrite about the standards you apply to other posters in this thread.
You're seriously devoid of basic logical thinking. How the feck you registered on a forum is fecking beyond me.
I liked Berbatov and I wanted him to succeed but he has been a huge disappointment imo. He just has not stepped up when we have really needed him. Time to sell him if we can find someone to take him.
Berbatov should be sold, period. His style does not suit us at all, maybe if he'd play like he did at Spurs. Cut the losses and gather what we can of him. Bring in another striker to cover for Chicharito and Rooney
Aye, he's not blameless that's for sure, but even Rooney takes about 5 chances to score one these days. He's taken a leaf from Ronaldo's book and decided just to take way more shots than everyone else in the league!
All the same, there were also occasions when he had taken up good positions in the box and wasn't picked out, and I thought he had a pretty good shout for a penalty there in the second half.
He was quite moany today, which I never even like seeing Rooney do too much of, but I can understand the pressure he must be feeling right now - especially if fans are starting to sing for his sacking (when they won't even bother singing to lift the team most of the time) like another thread has mentioned. If he's putting it on a plate like he did for Valencia and no goals come, or getting into space in the box and not being found by the cross, and then scuffing his shot wide or at the keeper when a couple of chances do come his way, then of course he's gonna get frustrated. But only a few of those reasons are wholly his own fault.
Look, you're obviously upset. Did you have a ton on Berbatov to finish top scorer this year or something?
Your childish insults give you away though. Your weak and pathetic personal attacks mask your inability to present an adequate defense for your beloved Dimi.
Whether Carrick has been worse or not is hardly the point in a thread titled "Dimitar Berbatov: my best is yet to come at Manchester United".
The clue is in the title of the thread. Should I repeat it again perhaps?
Actually now I'm abit confused. Why doesn't fergie have a go at berbatov to stay up top? When rooney used to drop deep, fergie used to tell him to stay up top, either during games or in interviews with the press. Maybe Fergie is the one asking berba to drop deep.
He said it himself before the game.
Did you miss the post I made about humouring berba army soldiers?
I didn't bother reading through this thread.
Am I the only one who thinks Berbatov had a good game, put a lot of effort, was everywhere, but his finishing was off?
What is strange is that Nani was woeful and Valencia missed the biggest chance, Giggs and Scholes were invisible...all experienced players, yet Berba get slagged off
I feel sorry for the lad.
Am I the only one who thinks Berbatov had a good game, put a lot of effort, was everywhere, but his finishing was off?
What is strange is that Nani was woeful and Valencia missed the biggest chance, Giggs and Scholes were invisible...all experienced players, yet Berba get slagged off
I feel sorry for the lad.
and that is the other thing people just ignore
I don't agree with you on this one, unusually.
Fair enough, things didn't go well for him and he looked upset at the end of the match. But I thought his body language was poor. Everytime he got caught in possession, he threw his arms up in the air gesturing at teammates. He was constantly moaning and whining. His body language didn't look good when he was on the ground rolling around when he wasn't touched.
He obviously got more annoyed at the end. His teammates didn't kick it out for him when he was 'injured'. The Blackburn fans were giving him stick every time he lost it or got caught in possession. Certain players (like Macheda) moaned back at him.
I think his body language is extremely poor. Compare his body language to Rooney, or Fletcher, or Valencia, or Nani even. Even Nani, who's body language was poor previously, is a different player. His desire to win the ball after he loses it now is amazing considering what he used to be like. Berbatov just seems to blame everyone else, even when he is at fault.
Incidentally, goals per game played by Berbatov for United, 0,27 (rounded down)
Carlos Tevez: 0,25 (rounded up)
That's subs and all. Fine, Tevez had more important ones, but I'm not trying to say Berbatov is better... I'm just saying: HE'S NOT SHIT.
And that's NOT an incredible claim, unless you prefer being extreme in your praise and criticism, which a lot of people on here do.
Carlos Tevez: 0,25 (rounded up)
That's subs and all. Fine, Tevez had more important ones, but I'm not trying to say Berbatov is better... I'm just saying: HE'S NOT SHIT.
And that's NOT an incredible claim, unless you prefer being extreme in your praise and criticism, which a lot of people on here do.
I missed that. What exactly did he say?
I think he's worried Berbatov will sulk more if he has a go, he doesn't look the type to respond well to constructive criticism. It's more about putting an arm round him and trying to get his confidence back up. To be fair to Berbatov today he did play Valencia in with a brilliant through ball so when he comes deep he can create stuff but when we only have one forward on he certainly should be further up the pitch and I can't beleive Ferguson is happy about this, I know I wasn't.
Did you miss my point about you prompting my Carrick comment by stating Berbatov was clearly our worst player this year, which he's not, to my mind. Certainly not clearly, like you said.
And fine, yes... I'm a stupid little person, whatever. You're the one who's found wanting in terms of how you build your arguments, time and time again.
Can't remember exactly, something about asking Berbatov to play a deeper role.
I think Tevez has truly surpassed Berbatov in every aspect this season, he's truly found himself like Wayne Rooney, comparing the two is silly in my opinion from this point on. The lad who put 4 past Reading never reached this level.
Nor did Tevez for us.
Ergo City are better than us.
Hah, I see why you lot get a kick out of your simple 1+1s
You can prove anything with facts!
Nope.. but you can prove likely. And the likely thing is that so long as Berbatov's goal rate for us is one goal every four games or so, and that for example Solskjaer had one goal every three games, approximately, means that Berbatov hasn't been shit for us. I don't know what shit means to you lot, but this isn't it, for me.
Though you may well have been taking the piss, then ;P
Matter of opinion. Berbatov is our most disappointing player as far as I am concerned.
I didn't say you were a stupid little person. You did.
Wanting? Arguments? Berbatov is a disappointment and has shown himself to be supremely lazy. Arguments? No. Facts.
It's just the way it is unfortunately. I remember an occasion when Blackburn had possession in the midfield just inside their own half, both Giggs and Scholes were stood off deep in our own half inviting Blackburn forward, and Berbatov was the one tracking back from the front hassling them into losing possession.
Wasn't the finest performance by anyone in the team today, but both the stats and what I saw with my own eyes told me that Berbatov was probably the most likely to be instrumental in us scoring a goal today, closely followed by Nani. Yet people are extremely vocal about how berbasupporters "try too hard" to find excuses for his flaws. Maybe we wouldn't have to if so many didn't try so hard to find flaws!
I kind of suspect there is a lot more support for Berbatov on here than there seems to be, but I can't totally blame them for not wanting to get dragged into this madness. It's a shame the headstrong angry mob far outnumber those who wish to look at the matter more objectively, though.
26 goals in two seasons for a 30M striker and I barely remember a match winning goal or a big match goal from him, bad signing really. Sad but true, it happens everywhere and we should deal with it and I trust SAF to do what best for the team.
Tevez shits all over Berbatov, it's like comparing Messi with Milner. The goals and games Tevez WON for us (yes, even as a bench player last year) piss all over Berbas contribution so don't even go there.
I was, no point in taking this thread seriously when we're not allowed to even mention other players!
Opinions.
Matter of opinion, fine. You didn't state it as if it were, and again, you lambasted me for being off topic when I said that it wasn't as apparent as you felt it was, for me.
How do we measure effort? Like someone said, it was pointed out by Ferguson before the game that he is to sit deeper than you want him to, and towards the end of last season he was the one who ran the most according to stats. He deliberately upped his running because people get on his back, but throwing himself around like Rooney is NOT his game. You could slate Zidane for effort, but he was glorious when it mattered. Sadly, Berba's not as consistent or confident, but I'm talking about styles of play.
To be fair, Erica, it gets a bit frustrating getting behind him - because he's possibly the most frustrating player I've ever seen in a United shirt.
He's had some great moments, and he's very skilful, but how many people could honestly say they could rely on him, in the same way we used to rely on Ruud? Do you really feel excited when he comes on, in the same way we did with Ole or Teddy. I just never get the feeling that he's going to do it.
If I was at a game, I'd get behind him, but on here we can be a bit more objective.
And if he reads this forum, then it should motivate him to do what we bought him for, which is score goals, not languish around midfield being pretty. That would be fine if we had a striker up front who could stick the ball in the net.
Did you read what I went on to write? I'm just trying to show that if he really were SHIT compared to Tevez, he'd certainly have a far poorer statistical showing next to him.
Why do people always have to go to the extreme when describing things? People get defensive and go too far the other way and all of a sudden you just have this big fecking back and forth of hyperbole which generally is far off the mark.
I seriously need to vacate this thread. Wish me luck.
Good Luck x
I actually think we agree with each other tbf. I also don't think his body language was good. He seemed helpless and worryingly desperate second half. Hence the increased moaning and under the breath muttering turning into an all out angry sulk. I just feel though it was clear from it that he cared.
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