Fair enough if Berbatov is playing a free role if that's the tactics, but it simply could not have been once Macheda was taken off. Macheda didn't get one chance today. If he had one of the ones that fell to Valencia or Berbatov, we'd have 3 points (imo).
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Fair enough if Berbatov is playing a free role if that's the tactics, but it simply could not have been once Macheda was taken off. Macheda didn't get one chance today. If he had one of the ones that fell to Valencia or Berbatov, we'd have 3 points (imo).
Spoony
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Came closer to scoring than Berbatov mind.
I would also not be a bit hasty when it comes to criticism of Nani who seemed knackered at the end of the Bayern game where he was terrific. Probably should have been rested today.
Yeah he faded in the second half. . .but he's shown enough for us to persever with him IMVHO. And it's Berbatov has been poor but do lot want to do? sell him? I'm not sure we'd actually get that much. . .but considering our financial situation we might have to - Sell to buy and all that.
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I don't know what the feck Ferige was thining. Macheda was the only person on the team staying up front! It's blatant that Berbatov can't play that striker position. So we needed a goal to salvage our season and he takes off the only striker. I think it was madness!
Macheda was doing anything with the ball when it got near him though.
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He's a striker. He was bought to score goals. He's played next to Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Mechada and other United strikers.
I know that's why he was bought, but has it worked out like that?
You'd think he was a midfielder from his positioning a lot of the time.
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Notice how he doesnt do that when Rooney is on the pitch.
He only has a pop at the more junior players like Kiko, Nani or Valencia.
Not exactly helping himself by having a pop at those two especially given that their place in the side is more cemented than his is.
We wouldn't have won the league without him last season.
As usual you're a whiney little child who'd be better off switching to City.
Actually I think we'd have done just fine without him last season, considering that the triumverate he disrupted (Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez) had been fecking brilliant the season before.
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weso26
Notice how he doesnt do that when Rooney is on the pitch.
He only has a pop at the more junior players like Kiko, Nani or Valencia.
Macheda gave as good as he got with Berbatov.
Boss
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Actually I think we'd have done just fine without him last season, considering that the triumverate he disrupted (Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez) had been fecking brilliant the season before.
Agreed, I never truly understand the motive behind buying him, he's a good player but a good Spurs player, those three are world class. Well I guess it had to do with Ronnie leaving.
Spoony
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Macheda was doing anything with the ball when it got near him though.
He's pretty shite with the ball at his feet. Needs service.
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Know what you mean, don't like it when Rooney does that either.Great point.His body language and his communication with other players when he frustration at them is what irritates me the most
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Macheda was doing anything with the ball when it got near him though.
Why was that though? He had no support. He was surrounded by two big centre backs whilst Berbatov was dwindling in the centre circle or close to it. Macheda had no support whatsoever, which is ridiculous.
Notice how he doesnt do that when Rooney is on the pitch.
He only has a pop at the more junior players like Kiko, Nani or Valencia.
Hang on, even I wouldn't go this far. Are you saying he's a big, cowardly bully, picking on the youngsters but not the tough guys?!
7even
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The Berba hatred is not just about today, its the culmination of 2 years of mediocrity where he's failed to deliver when its been requested of him. Since day one his style has never worked for United. He slows/destroys the counter attack, sits deep, offers very little in terms of presence in the box and expects the ball to be handed to him on a silver plater.
This!
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He seems to think the penalty area is forbidden land, even playing as a lone striker he finds himself more often than not around the kick-off spot.
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Exactly. It was all too clear he cared things were not going well. But that has just been chalked off as arrogance and being nonchalant.
Rolling around holding your face when you've barely been touched when where looking for a goal isn't caring, moaning constantly at the refree, teammates when its your fault you've messed up isn't caring, playing deep when we need a goal and your the only centre forward on isn't caring, messing up the chance when it comes when your a 30 million striker isn't caring, it's just unacceptable we paid 30 million for a player whose just ****ped under the pressure. Comparisons with Cantona are ridiculas too on the biggest stage he is the master performer with Berbatov on the biggest stage he's the master bottler.
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OK, but my question is still relevant actually.
Is Berba. more of a creative midfielder than he is a striker?
Because if he isn't - what does he actually do?
And if he is, then we need to buy one or two strikers.
We just bought a striker. Waiting for a work permit, which he most likely will get. Then we'll have Rooney, Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf, Owen, Hernandez. And Berbatov, wherever you want to put him. To me, that seems more than enough. Only problem is that only Rooney has proven to be United quality yet, the rest is still young, and Owen is just a backup. Surely one of the younger lads has to step up next season.
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Berbatov had a better game than Nani today. Berbatov was actually able to pass the ball to United players.
ok
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Chief has a point, Berba looked visibly angry at the end of the game, he does care, why wouldn't he?
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I thought he was about to cry.Chief has a point, Berba looked visibly angry at the end of the game, he does care, why wouldn't he?
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His body language is atrocious though and even if he does care, it looks like he doesn't.
Chief has a point, Berba looked visibly angry at the end of the game, he does care, why wouldn't he?
He was probably distressed because he knew that was his United career over and done with.
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Man United assistant Mike Phelan: "You start looking now for other results to go for you. We didn't get the rub of the green in the final third and our selection wasn't good. We cannot rely on Wayne, he is having an exceptional season, but this is Manchester United and other players have to show why we bought them to this club in the first place."
Interesting.
Interesting.
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I thought he was about to cry.
And that is where you can criticise him. I thought he worked hard today even in the secnd half where he was poor. He just doesn't seem to have the overall confidence that you assume to have in an United attacker. Mentally fragile at best.
Boss
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Man United assistant Mike Phelan: "You start looking now for other results to go for you. We didn't get the rub of the green in the final third and our selection wasn't good. We cannot rely on Wayne, he is having an exceptional season, but this is Manchester United and other players have to show why we bought them to this club in the first place."
Interesting.
Wow, he's not lying though.
Sunny Jim
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Chief has a point, Berba looked visibly angry at the end of the game, he does care, why wouldn't he?
i don't think anybody has ever doubt that. Professional footballers usually care about how well they perform.
Man United assistant Mike Phelan: "You start looking now for other results to go for you. We didn't get the rub of the green in the final third and our selection wasn't good. We cannot rely on Wayne, he is having an exceptional season, but this is Manchester United and other players have to show why we bought them to this club in the first place."
Interesting.
Spot on assessment by Phelan. Fair play to him.
Think we might be seeing less of Berbatov from now on.
Thank god.
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Man United assistant Mike Phelan: "You start looking now for other results to go for you. We didn't get the rub of the green in the final third and our selection wasn't good. We cannot rely on Wayne, he is having an exceptional season, but this is Manchester United and other players have to show why we bought them to this club in the first place."
Interesting.
Nice pick up. Berbatov is clearly one of those players.
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Man United assistant Mike Phelan: "You start looking now for other results to go for you. We didn't get the rub of the green in the final third and our selection wasn't good. We cannot rely on Wayne, he is having an exceptional season, but this is Manchester United and other players have to show why we bought them to this club in the first place."
Interesting.
No nonsense from Phelan and his short-shorts.
his face of annoyance pisses me off.
Like he can do any better when he gets the ball.
feck off twat.
He can and he does.
He ran the show for the first half today, it's no wonder he gets frustrated when 2 years on our players still haven't learnt that he's always looking for the quick 1-2.
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I stopped reading your venom there. A lot of the time he rightly moaned at his team mates because they were fecking being shit. He wasn't moaning at them for the sake FFS. Hew was even constantly cursing himself when he got things wrong, like the two shots late on. Some of you are too blinded by hate to ever honestly access the fella..........., teammates when its your fault you've messed up isn't caring, .....
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Spot on assessment by Phelan. Fair play to him.
Think we might be seeing less of Berbatov from now on.
Thank god.
I think given the position we're in, SAF is going to give him as long as Rooney is out injured to prove himself. It's not like we have a choice, who can we play instead?
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I don't understand what everyone's on about when they're saying Berbatov didn't stay up front enough.
Federico Macheda, stayed right up front with discipline, looking to get on the end of anything that came his way up there
Shots on Goal: 0
Shots on Target: 0
Dimitar Berbatov, dropped deep to try and work something out of the possession we had
Shots on Goal: 4
Shots on Target: 2
Do any of ye not think that if Berbatov had stayed pinned up front all game that he, like Macheda, may not even have seen enough of the ball to get a shot on goal?
Federico Macheda, stayed right up front with discipline, looking to get on the end of anything that came his way up there
Shots on Goal: 0
Shots on Target: 0
Dimitar Berbatov, dropped deep to try and work something out of the possession we had
Shots on Goal: 4
Shots on Target: 2
Do any of ye not think that if Berbatov had stayed pinned up front all game that he, like Macheda, may not even have seen enough of the ball to get a shot on goal?
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Spot on assessment by Phelan. Fair play to him.
Think we might be seeing less of Berbatov from now on.
Thank god.
That isn't necessarily about Berbatov. I'm sure if he was asked if he was talking about Berbatov, he would deny it.
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Notice how he doesnt do that when Rooney is on the pitch.
He only has a pop at the more junior players like Kiko, Nani or Valencia.
Now you're just making shit up. He's an equal opportunities moaner.
Why do you think a forward is likely to spend more time moaning to his wingers/strike partner than anyone else?
Clue: it's got nothing to do with their seniority.
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Hang on, even I wouldn't go this far. Are you saying he's a big, cowardly bully, picking on the youngsters but not the tough guys?!
For whatever reason, he only has a pop at those kind of players - maybe its justified though, i dont know.
You wont see him having a go at Rooney or Giggs.
He can and he does.
He ran the show for the first half today, it's no wonder he gets frustrated when 2 years on our players still haven't learnt that he's always looking for the quick 1-2.
He can, but he doesnt do it often enough. Acceptable rate for a team like Spurs...but not for United.
He didn't run the show in the 1st half. He walked around doing a midfielders job. He should have been supplying an outlet for the wingers either in the box or slightly deeper. Not on the feckin half way line. Nobody ran the show for us today, if they did - we'd have won.
I think given the position we're in, SAF is going to give him as long as Rooney is out injured to prove himself. It's not like we have a choice, who can we play instead?
I guess so. I'd assume Rooney will be back for City though. Back to 4-5-1. Berba on the bench.
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I think given the position we're in, SAF is going to give him as long as Rooney is out injured to prove himself. It's not like we have a choice, who can we play instead?
It really doesn't matter anymore. The title is lost. This is the perfect opportunity to drop Berbatov to the bench to help us next season in the unfortunate circumstance that we find ourselves still with him in our team.
He needs something to think about.
Problem may be that he'll just sulk even more and perhaps really cry.
There's no winning with him.
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I don't understand what everyone's on about when they're saying Berbatov didn't stay up front enough.
Federico Macheda, stayed right up front with discipline, looking to get on the end of anything that came his way up there
Shots on Goal: 0
Shots on Target: 0
Dimitar Berbatov, dropped deep to try and work something out of the possession we had
Shots on Goal: 4
Shots on Target: 2
Do any of ye not think that if Berbatov had stayed pinned up front all game that he, like Macheda, may not even have seen enough of the ball to get a shot on goal?
You are missing the point. Ok, he had two shots on target. They are directly into the keepers arms.
Macheda, 10 years younger than Berba, had nothing. Ok fine. Point of comparison though, Macheda is learning, and Berba is almost 30. Macheda didn't cost 30 million pounds.
Macheda isn't considered starting 11 quality yet.
If you were comparing Berbatov and Tevez (last season), or Berba and Rooney, then ok fair play but to compare a youth player to a "seasoned veteran" is a bit much.
We could almost compare Nani or Valencia to Berba and see whether they had more attempts at goal, and then say that it shows they are better forward than Berbatov.
Is it true? No, they are wingers, but we can make stats look like what we want.
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I try to read all posts in a thread but this is moving so fast I've given up so I'll just throw my opinion on the fire. To all his supporters this is the first time I have ever targeted one United player but he has to take the blame.
Berbatov is now a luxury United can no longer afford. Yes he has some skills but one or two nice flicks or holding up a ball is simply not good enough. A forward for United has to have the ability of creating a goal out of nothing. Berbatov has never looked capable of that...ever. He can't work in a 4-5-1 and he can't work in a 4-4-2 so to all his fanboi's out there - tell me were he can work?
Once he's gone (which I hope to god is soon) the only way he will be remembered is as an expensive mistake. Sabre Veron II. Reading some of the defending on here is laughable!
Berbatov is now a luxury United can no longer afford. Yes he has some skills but one or two nice flicks or holding up a ball is simply not good enough. A forward for United has to have the ability of creating a goal out of nothing. Berbatov has never looked capable of that...ever. He can't work in a 4-5-1 and he can't work in a 4-4-2 so to all his fanboi's out there - tell me were he can work?
Once he's gone (which I hope to god is soon) the only way he will be remembered is as an expensive mistake. Sabre Veron II. Reading some of the defending on here is laughable!
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