Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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They dont have to sit on the bench all season.
Take Anelka & Drogba. Both can play in a 451, both can play in a 442. Both have played in loads of games this season.
Simples.
Yeah i agree.
I didnt have much of an opinion about Berbs before we signed him. Looked good for Spurs, just as numerous players look pretty tasty for their clubs. I was swept up to an extent by Fergie's enthusiasm. I assumed that level of tunnel vision meant he had big plans - specific plans - for him. That is why I find it so surprising that we are in this situation. I can only assume he thought he would be able to play up on his own much better than he can. But I dont get the sense that Berbs is doing anything different to what it said on the tin. I dont think it is a case of being star struck by Old Trafford or whatever. It looks more like there was a massive change in direction after he arrived and suddenly his position was redundant. (As others have said, maybe things developed in an unexpected way in the midfield or something.)
To me it looks more like a child who pesters his parents for a guitar or something, finally gets one, plays it for about a week and then sacks it off and leaves it lying untouched in a cupboard.
But I am sure there is more to it behind the scenes.
Anelka's been considerably less prolific in front of goal Berbatov this season, so he's hardly a good example.
Way to miss the point.
We play three in midfield for all sorts of reasons. You've mentioned one of them, I would also add that I don't think we've the players in midfield to go 442.
This amounts to exactly the same thing though. The reason we play 451 in big games is not because Berbatov isn't good enough for us to play 442.
The example shows two players that can play together in a 442 and also play as a lone striker in a 451.
Being prolific infront of goal - is that what its all about?
Anelka played well against us in Chelsea's 451 - he held the ball up, brought others into play, ran the channels and put our defenders under pressure.
Besides, Anelka be been playing on the flanks a lot this season.
I know you like your stats, so heres one for you.....
Assists...
Berbatovs - 6
Anelka - 9
Kind of, we're talking about strikers after all. Stats are clearly a useful barometer of a player's contribution and 6-9 is decent return but goals are obviously more important.
By the way, I'm loving the irony of you repeatedly pointing out that assists are a useless way to judge a player's contribution, right up until they suit your argument...
Clearly this is vital for any striker we sign. Must be able to play up front on his own well, and play in a partnership. And be relatively humble, given they are unlikely to outshine Rooney. But also be good enough for United.
Shouldnt be a problem, there are shit loads of people like that around.
look, Munich was the death knell, we all know it. If he wasn't trusted over a half fit striker in an important game like that, then not brought on for a good 10 minutes after we went down, after said striker had been hopping around like a crippled kangeroo (ney) for 20 minutes whilst we were still up, it's really utterly pointless having him here....The whole "well if we get a new midfielder it'll be cool" slant is a diversionary argument really IMO. Especially with Macheda coming back in and Fergie making good noises about it. And us signing a new attacker.
If he's really alright with playing third fiddle, then he could stay for another year and try and prove himself worth it, but if we do get another "name" striker this year, he's out...and we all know it by now. And If he is, he was a failure.
We can then finally end this whole ridiculous debate once and for all then can't we?.....I don't want him to go, but, you know...every cloud.
If he's really alright with playing third fiddle, then he could stay for another year and try and prove himself worth it, but if we do get another "name" striker this year, he's out...and we all know it by now. And If he is, he was a failure.
We can then finally end this whole ridiculous debate once and for all then can't we?.....I don't want him to go, but, you know...every cloud.
Its not all about the goals - ask Capello why he keeps Heskey in his side.
I prefer to judge a player on what i see him do on the pitch. I saw Anelka play the lone strker role well for Chelsea at Old Trafford and against Villa the week before. He also did the job well while Drogba was at the Africa nations - a period where they picked up maximum poins and got through 2 rounds of the FA Cup, IIRC.
I believe that they are, but i know you value them.
People are desperate to make excuses for him. Why cant they accept that he has been a disappointment and he needs to take most of that responsibility on his on own shoulders.
Next it will be, "if the ball was still when he hit it, he would have scored" or "if the opposition player wasnt in the way, it would have been a perfect pass".
I dont think there is any way he will be sold though.
I have noticed people cross the ball far too quickly for Berbs.
It is like the wingers want him to fail.
It is like the wingers want him to fail.
this midfield might be the weakest in ages but they still have manged to get the best out of Rooney. Feckers didn't want to repeat the trick with Berbs
fecking hell. Who are you arguing against here?
I doubt there's a single United fan anywhere in the world who doesn't think Berbatov has been a disappointment, or that he shouldn't be held responsible for his own level of performance.
I don't think he'll be sold either fwiw.
Great post.
How much would we get for him?
I asked my mate who supports Spurs and they dont want him back.
I reckon £12-14m
A twix, four bobble heads of David May, the door handle from a 1979 Renaut Cleo and a curly wurly
cnuting thing is he's got so much fecking talent.
Yeah, but did they want Keane back though? History conveys their opinions shall not play a part!
I could only see an Italian club taking him.
Still, i doubt very much he will be going anywhere.
Still, i doubt very much he will be going anywhere.
What if, wait for it, Berbatov is as much of problem as our midfield is?
I know nonsense
make up your mind, would you?
Just like the Veronster!
this midfield might be the weakest in ages but they still have manged to get the best out of Rooney. Feckers didn't want to repeat the trick with Berbs
From previous experience I'm aware you're not the sharpest tool in the box, so I'll keep this brief; the comment about the midfielders related to the formation we choose to play in all our big games, nothing else.
Perhaps there's more to what makes a player than the ability to take down a ball in mid air. He's simply not got the right type of personality.
Berbatov should be well suited to a 4-5-1. I can't quite work it out.
He's definitely not had anything like the confidence or self-belief you would expect from a player of his talent.
I reckon that will be what disappointed and surprised Fergie the most.
He's got another chance on Sunday with Rooney out if we play 4-5-1.
Has Berba ever climbed a lamp post while juggling a ball? Dont think so.
And BTW - Bulgaria usually play a 442 with Bojinov and Berbatov uptop.
He's been better than Veron. Veron failed cos he couldn't handle the pressure he was put under in the English League, Berba's proved he can cut it in England. He's failed because of a combination of not fitting in with our style, not taking his chances and slightly too much expectation.
If he'd been £12 from the get go, he wouldn't really have been a ****. The price tag has added to his status, no matter what anyone says, because Fergie doesn't sign players for that much who he doesn't think are going to be mega.
Considering Tevez and his Heinze-ish departure, I can't believe anybody here really wishes that we'd never bought Berba and Tevez continued his sharade. Fine, so it might not matter if you have a mercenary, but HAVING the hindsight we do, where Tevez flip-****s and talks shite about Fergie, fecks off to City and then pretends to be flabbergasted when the fans don't still adore him, means that I'm glad he's fecked off.
And I'd rather hope Berbatov kicks it up a notch at some point, rather than miss Tevez ;P
And I'd rather hope Berbatov kicks it up a notch at some point, rather than miss Tevez ;P
If that is the guy who was there a few years ago, which I think it is, he had trials for Ajax but they didnt want him.
Nah, your idiocy has often been a bit of a downer in the past but I'm all good thanks.
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