Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances

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Spoony Youngblood said:
Berbatov should be well suited to a 4-5-1. I can't quite work it out.
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Lack of mobility and speed, unwillingness to put pressure on opposition defenders, he wont run the across the line - never mind the channels.

Lack of mobility and speed. Unwillingness to put pressure on opposition defenders. He wont run the across the line - never mind the channels.

Michelangelo's David would give you better movement upfront than Berba. Though Berba may have a bigger nob - for his sake, i hope so.
 
The interesting thing is Bayern played 4-4-2 against our 4-3-3 in both legs with Muller dropping deep as Berbatov does when we play 4-4-2.
 
gaffs said:
People are desperate to make excuses for him. Why cant they accept that he has been a disappointment and he needs to take most of that responsibility on his on own shoulders.

Next it will be, "if the ball was still when he hit it, he would have scored" or "if the opposition player wasnt in the way, it would have been a perfect pass".

I dont think there is any way he will be sold though.
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Somehow it's become a less commendable thing to do to try not to write off our players than call for them to be shipped out for being 'shit'? I really hope Berbatov has a stormer next season and makes a lot of people here ashamed of themselves.

This thread alone is bad enough, but at least it's somewhere to try and discuss it (aka bang your head against a brick wall). His name is now permeating every fecking topic that's up for discussion, though! After the Bayern game on Wednesday night, I was gonna bump a Berbatov thread to say he could have done with the support Rooney got from Gibson in the game at the weekend against Chelsea, but I knew eventually it would be bumped by someone anyway. Sure enough, within a couple of hours someone had bumped it, and soon after there were plenty of posts streaming in about how he was somehow to blame because we couldn't call on him! Re-fecking-tarded.

And then people are in here saying there's no issue with our midfield, a midfield which got overran by a two man Bayern midfield in Munich. You have people asking where are all the goals we should be expecting from Berbatov - and when you show that he's scored on par with the equivalent players in the other top teams the response is "it's not all about the goals". I've shown twice now that United revert back to 4-4-2 when at all possible, and still every 10 posts someone says "we don't want to play 4-4-2 anymore, we want to play 4-5-1, all the top teams play it!", well then why don't we play it every game?!

Then these people drop wonderful lines such as "if Berbatov's such a creative footballing god...", when I've never tried to argue he is, all I'm fecking saying is that he's not "shit", he has been doing absolutely fine, him not coming off the bench against Bayern doesn't necessarily say anything about whether he's out the door or not, and I can see why it's worth continuing to support the guy and not just want to kick him out the door!
 
Simon Adebesi said:
If that is the guy who was there a few years ago, which I think it is, he had trials for Ajax but they didnt want him.
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Yeah, its the same guy. I have not been to Amsterdam for a couple of years, but every time i have been i have seen him performing.

I have heard the story about his trials for Ajax. Its probably because he is so small. He makes Messi look like a Peter Crouch.

Hes more of a circus performer than a footballer really. Maybe something Berba should looks into.
 
Yeah same, I used to go a lot in the days before I had kids. And he was always there.

He is a bit good. But as Spoony said, there is more to football than dicking around with a football. (Did he say that? Or did I imagine it?)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He's definitely not had anything like the confidence or self-belief you would expect from a player of his talent.

I reckon that will be what disappointed and surprised Fergie the most.
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He's introverted. But most players aren't extroverts, yet they love expressing themselves on the field. Not unlike actors. He's always seemed a bit laid back and I thought he was a lazy player even when he was a Spurs but I felt he had the mentality to succeed at OT. I suppose the huge transfer fee didn't help. . .but someone like Ronaldo seems to revel in it.
 
Mockney said:
look, Munich was the death knell, we all know it. If he wasn't trusted over a half fit striker in an important game like that, then not brought on for a good 10 minutes after we went down, after said striker had been hopping around like a crippled kangeroo (ney) for 20 minutes whilst we were still up, it's really utterly pointless having him here....The whole "well if we get a new midfielder it'll be cool" slant is a diversionary argument really IMO. Especially with Macheda coming back in and Fergie making good noises about it. And us signing a new attacker.

If he's really alright with playing third fiddle, then he could stay for another year and try and prove himself worth it, but if we do get another "name" striker this year, he's out...and we all know it by now. And If he is, he was a failure.

We can then finally end this whole ridiculous debate once and for all then can't we?.....I don't want him to go, but, you know...every cloud.
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This pretty much tells it like it is. Fergie was showing utter faith last season until the last few matches - that despite his 'questionable' production - and again for the first part of this. But it's clear that faith isn't what it once was, and who can blame him, the performances speak for themselves. Yes he's done better this season, yes he's scored quite a few more goals... but he's never looked a stayer, a difference maker at the top level

He'll go and score twice on Sunday now... and we'll all be back here arguing the very same shit

Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before
And we'll all be lonely tonight
And lonely tomorrow...
 
gaffs said:
Lack of mobility and speed, unwillingness to put pressure on opposition defenders, he wont run the across the line - never mind the channels.

Lack of mobility and speed. Unwillingness to put pressure on opposition defenders. He wont run the across the line - never mind the channels.

Michelangelo's David would give you better movement upfront than Berba. Though Berba may have a bigger nob - for his sake, i hope so.
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We keep comparing him to Cantona but some comparisons are vaild, both have/had amazing technique in fact Berbatov's probably ahead of him in that department. Neither of them are/were particularly mobile or blessed with blistering pace. . . sure Berbatov's lazy but so was Cantona yet the Frenchman's personality was one of them main factors behind his success. He clearly thought he was the king. . .he also had a cuntishness about him on the pitch - the occasional stamp or late tackle would testify that.. Berbatov is the complete opposite in that regard.
 
Well if he does go...can we go back to having Tevez - Berba arguments again? I mean, he did push him out didn't he?...It's all his fault that really isn't it?

Aaaaaand...go!
 
Sunny Jim said:
there has to be a buyer first. have you ever heard about anybody interested in signing him?
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No but he's only finishing his second season, the thing about not selling him this summer is he only has 2 seasons left on his contract, so is the idea to resign him or hope the young strikers develop over the next 2 seasons and let him be on his way for free at 31?
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I still think Rooney should be playing in the hole with Berbs leading the line.

We are playing the best English player of his generation out of position.
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But Berba's a hole man too...Rooney needs a Saha or Ruud to feed to play in the hole well.

So, Benzema then yeah?

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Pogue Mahone said:
He's definitely not had anything like the confidence or self-belief you would expect from a player of his talent.

I reckon that will be what disappointed and surprised Fergie the most.
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Possibly wasn't prepared for the all the animosity from Tevez that came along with his signing for United. Must have affected both him and the dressing room. Course then the fans sided with Tevez against him and Fergie which wouldn't have helped matters, plus Tevez had friends amongst the players.
 
gaffs said:
Has Berba ever climbed a lamp post while juggling a ball? Dont think so.

And BTW - Bulgaria usually play a 442 with Bojinov and Berbatov uptop.
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BTW that's not true. Most of the time Berbatov plays as a lone striker and as expected he finds it hard on his own.

In a very few matches he had a partner in attack.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
We keep comparing him to Cantona but some comparisons are vaild, both have/had amazing technique in fact Berbatov's probably ahead of him in that department. Neither of them are/were particularly mobile or blessed with blistering pace. . . sure Berbatov's lazy but so was Cantona yet the Frenchman's personality was one of them main factors behind his success. He clearly thought he was the king. . .he also had a cuntishness about him on the pitch - the occasional stamp or late tackle would testify that.. Berbatov is the complete opposite in that regard.
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I'd say Cantona had a better burst of pace when it was needed, although he didn't use that a great deal. He was a better finisher too, and showed better movement. In fairness, Cantona was probably an upgrade on Berbatov in most respects, but that's not a major slight on Berbatov, who himself is an upgrade over the vast majority of players in terms of control and technique.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
We keep comparing him to Cantona but some comparisons are vaild, both have/had amazing technique in fact Berbatov's probably ahead of him in that department. Neither of them are/were particularly mobile or blessed with blistering pace. . . sure Berbatov's lazy but so was Cantona yet the Frenchman's personality was one of them main factors behind his success. He clearly thought he was the king. . .he also had a cuntishness about him on the pitch - the occasional stamp or late tackle would testify that.. Berbatov is the complete opposite in that regard.
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Very true. Very similar in some ways, yet like polar opposites in others.

IMO, Berba could still be a good player for us in a 442 - he has showed that at times.

As a lone forward, hes pretty useless. Though i doubt Cantona would be much good up there on his own.
 
Commadus said:
Stopped reading after that. How idiotic is the defence of Berba going to become.

Tell me where berba has played a throughball like Cantona did for Irwin. Berba cant even head like Cantona.

It's just gone loopy the support for Berba. His talent isn't all that - if it was so many clubs would have been after him.
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We've another great promotion on our hands. . .
 
gaffs said:
Very true. Very similar in some ways, yet like polar opposites in others.

IMO, Berba could still be a good player for us in a 442 - he has showed that at times.

As a lone forward, hes pretty useless. Though i doubt Cantona would be much good up there on his own.
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You'd be right. I think he played up top on his own in Europe on a few occasions but always disappointed.

I wonder how he would've played in our current set up.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
You'd be right. I think he played up top on his own in Europe on a few occasions but always disappointed.

I wonder how he would've played in our current set up.
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That's a good question. He's a much better player than Berbatov but I reckon Berbatov would look better as part of the same side that Cantona played in front of.
 
MrK said:
Somehow it's become a less commendable thing to do to try not to write off our players than call for them to be shipped out for being 'shit'? I really hope Berbatov has a stormer next season and makes a lot of people here ashamed of themselves.

This thread alone is bad enough, but at least it's somewhere to try and discuss it (aka bang your head against a brick wall). His name is now permeating every fecking topic that's up for discussion, though! After the Bayern game on Wednesday night, I was gonna bump a Berbatov thread to say he could have done with the support Rooney got from Gibson in the game at the weekend against Chelsea, but I knew eventually it would be bumped by someone anyway. Sure enough, within a couple of hours someone had bumped it, and soon after there were plenty of posts streaming in about how he was somehow to blame because we couldn't call on him! Re-fecking-tarded.

And then people are in here saying there's no issue with our midfield, a midfield which got overran by a two man Bayern midfield in Munich. You have people asking where are all the goals we should be expecting from Berbatov - and when you show that he's scored on par with the equivalent players in the other top teams the response is "it's not all about the goals". I've shown twice now that United revert back to 4-4-2 when at all possible, and still every 10 posts someone says "we don't want to play 4-4-2 anymore, we want to play 4-5-1, all the top teams play it!", well then why don't we play it every game?!

Then these people drop wonderful lines such as "if Berbatov's such a creative footballing god...", when I've never tried to argue he is, all I'm fecking saying is that he's not "shit", he has been doing absolutely fine, him not coming off the bench against Bayern doesn't necessarily say anything about whether he's out the door or not, and I can see why it's worth continuing to support the guy and not just want to kick him out the door!
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I like you. You saved me so much time
Great post. But don't worry, Commadus is here to prove us wrong
 
EricaNo7 said:
would that be the same side that had a marvellous midfield?
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I think most strikers would have looked better in that team in fairness. But not many would have performed as Cantona did or in fact lead us to the title in 96.
 
datura said:
Yep, out of his 25/30 posts since promotion the majority seem to be having a pop at Berbatov.
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So he feels strongly that Berbatov is not cutting it for us and posts his thoughts often because he's impassioned about the subject and these posts he made happen to come at a time when he's been promoted. So what? Most of my posts lately are about how lazy Berbatov is, but because I joined in 2001 or whatever it was, I can be excused my posts?

Daft.
 
Ixion said:
YouTube - eric cantona top 10 goals

The header at about 50 seconds in sums up the difference between Cantona and Berbatov for me. You wouldn't see Berbatov show that determination to get on the end of a cross.
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feckin get in Eric. Class video.


You're right. Berba will never be seen busting a gut to get in the box to head that in. He'd be ambling around 30 yards from goal thinking he'd done his part by coming deep and playing the ball out wide or something.


5 games to prove yourself Berba. 5 Goals please. Repay the faith some of us show in you time and time again.
 
Dans said:
So he feels strongly that Berbatov is not cutting it for us and posts his thoughts often because he's impassioned about the subject and these posts he made happen to come at a time when he's been promoted. So what? Most of my posts lately are about how lazy Berbatov is, but because I joined in 2001 or whatever it was, I can be excused my posts?

Daft.
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No one has excused your posts ;)

The point is that he made a stupid post, and a quick search of his posts since promoted seem to be almost predominantly negative about Berbatov, even in unrelated threads, so there seems to be an agenda.
 
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