I know the answer, but the reason you aren't giving it is because it makes your comment of if he wants to go he's gone wrong really
Di Marzio: Barca make bid for Pogba
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Or, dare I say, besides the only player that Barcelona or Madrid actually wanted from you the last decade or so, apart from De Gea and now Pogba? I could be wrong though.
It sucked to lose Coutinho but I didn't begrudge him his dream move, and we arguably are stronger now than we were with him because we wisely invested this time, although that remains to be seen once the season gets underway.
No it doesn't? If he still wants to go next summer he'll be gone, if he changes his mind he won't. Not sure what's hard to grasp here.
Give us Rakitic and we can start a conversation is all I'll say. If Pogba wants to go and if Woody is adamant on Mourinho, we need to have a stellar replacement for Pogba to hit the ground running.
This. They're probably aware this bid is not enough to sign him now, but the Pog will now know that Barca do want him. Depending on how the season goes (performance wise and his relation with Mourinho) he and his agent will know that a top team is interested in him if things don't work out at United.
This is something I expected to happen with DDG too. How he has managed to stay on at United is a little surprising given the state of the team. He could have gone to any top club and won many titles. As much as I like him for staying it's a little hard to understand.
Slightly off topic, do people here really believe we can hold on to our best players (especially Pogba and DDG) if we don't achieve something significant this year (or maybe next at a stretch)? I know United won't be selling for money, but the players may start to force for moves if we don't challenge for major trophies soon. Is this something Jose is considering? I think if the manager is in for the short term (like most of us believe Jose is), I don't think he'd be too bothered about such things.
This is not the Liverpool thread.
Should've thought of that when you made your petty dig at them then.
The lack of transfers does seem strange, I thought woodward had got the hang of the market.
I'm sure most of the are professional enough to give it their best, but they did that for Moyes also. Sure as hell weren't "happy".
Let's be honest what pro would want to play Jose's style of football?. There is no joy in the way we play.
Mbappe reportedly turned us down as he didn't like the way we played, that's worrying.
No coincidence either that the American fans hardly turned up to watch us either at pre season.
Because your comment was final, you wasn't taking into account that he could change his mind when you initially made your comment. Now I have pulled you up on that, you are now taking it into account
After you, an oppo fan, decided to enter this thread fully intent on winding up the resident United fans and generally stir the pot.
DDG changed his mind when Jose came in. It is possible for Pogba to do the same because Mourinho will be gone if this season turns out to be shambles. Its the agent that's creating noise. Pogba has connections with the club and won't force a transfer IMO.
He already knows, it was reported weeks ago that he was one of the stops in Abidal's world tour. They allegedly met in California.
The fact that a person is able to change his mind over the course of a full season seemed so obvious to me that it didn't need mentioning
Winding up, okay then
There are lots of United fans in this thread alone who are far more negative about your team than I am.Would be absolutely hilarious if this happened. And I'm not bitter or anything.
I doubt I'm the only one who thinks Pogba will change his tune once Jose is gone.
Including Andre Gomes in any deal is downright insulting.
Surely this falls under section five of the Public Order Act.
Surely this falls under section five of the Public Order Act.
Winding up, okay then
On that we agree.
Look, United will not be selling Pogba or any other valuable asset to Barca regardless of the offer. Put it back in your pants, mate.
Good news folks.
Sport, the main Barcelona sports paper, just published an article saying "United veto sale of Pogba to Barca."
Headline quotes from the piece:
"Pogba won't sign for Barca."
"United have vetoed the sale."
"Barca haven't even had the option of making an offer."
"The English club consider Pogba untransferrable."
"Mourinho has flatly refused to negotiate any option of a transfer."
"According to Barca sources 'there is a 0.01% chance.'"
Link to Spanish article here. Imagine the English version will be up soon if it hasn't been published already.
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/manchester-united-veta-salida-pogba-barca-6979008
Sport, the main Barcelona sports paper, just published an article saying "United veto sale of Pogba to Barca."
Headline quotes from the piece:
"Pogba won't sign for Barca."
"United have vetoed the sale."
"Barca haven't even had the option of making an offer."
"The English club consider Pogba untransferrable."
"Mourinho has flatly refused to negotiate any option of a transfer."
"According to Barca sources 'there is a 0.01% chance.'"
Link to Spanish article here. Imagine the English version will be up soon if it hasn't been published already.
https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/manchester-united-veta-salida-pogba-barca-6979008
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Agree on that. However, not sure how disastrous your season has to be in order for Mourinho to get fired during the season - he's too good not to have you in the top 4 imo (at the least), and he's always been a great cup manager, so there's that.
The real issue here is that this offer wouldn't have happened without any interest from the Pogba side. Nobody bids blind anymore, so this suggests any unhappiness from the Pogba side (for whatever reason) is real. We're not going to sell him this summer, but the problem then is we're stuck with an unhappy player for a year probably before he leaves anyway. Is he going to before in that time? Based on previous evidence, no. Certainly not at his best. So no matter what happens it's not ideal. And if his main issue is simply the manager, then it's going to come down to Mourinho vs Pogba sooner or later.
Edit: Also that offer from them was embarrassingly bad.
Edit: Also that offer from them was embarrassingly bad.
There was no chance of this happening. Can happen next year but I think he'll eventually sign a new contract on improved terms once Mourinho goes.
Jose or not, top players will want to win trophies. I'm sure our players are professional enough to work with a manager they might get on with too well if the team is challenging for major honours.
Done and done.
It does feel like Di Marzio was had here, plus feck all the journos who then pretended to have the inside track.
They aren't really worth replying to for the most part to be fair.Winding up, okay then
I don't remember exactly what was the issue mentioned in reports, iirc it wasn't just Mourinho but the general direction of the club. It seemed that he wants to stay but doesn't believe that the club is on the right track. These area rumors though.
I'm sure someone's available to be a caretaker manager for the season whilst we get our shit together. Hell, I'd take Arsene, at least he knows how to get players to score goals!
The alternative is Jose making everyone so miserable they don't want to play for him. How is that a better situation for us? We may as well have no manager in that case.
Sounds like he shares the same feeling as basically everyone on here then.
All the Spanish newspapers now reporting that Pogba is staying and that this will not happen.
Don't think he was done. Imagine he got the info from Raiola. United have just rejected Barca's approach.
Yeah this is all about the long game for Barca. They want to unsettle Pogba so they can come back with a low-ball offer next year.
Wouldn't be surprised if Pogba refuses to sign a new deal unless Mourinho goes.
I think Di Marzio is being played here. This is such a big story that if true, loads of other journos would have jumped into this as well but so far none has and it's looking this way. Remember him being adamant that Andre Gomes wasn't going to Barca but to some other club (can't recall if he said it was us) but the other journos reported otherwise and said he was Barca bound. When that happened, he admitted that sometimes he got fed the wrong info. It's exactly the same scenario now i feel
Hope this des down quickly. Reminds me of Verratti earlier this summer:
Italian playmaker said to be unhappy with way meeting with new boss Tuchel went and agent Mino Raiola is understood to have sounded out United over possible deal
Clubs are interested in players and try to bid for them all the time, I think we tried/explored situation with Mbappe, Verratti, maybe Neymar.. didn't happen and died down, same will happen with Pogba to Barca.
Italian playmaker said to be unhappy with way meeting with new boss Tuchel went and agent Mino Raiola is understood to have sounded out United over possible deal
Clubs are interested in players and try to bid for them all the time, I think we tried/explored situation with Mbappe, Verratti, maybe Neymar.. didn't happen and died down, same will happen with Pogba to Barca.
I'm pretty sure that it was already reported in the last few days, if this offer is real then it's just for show. Remember that the first player that they contacted was Rabiot who if I'm not mistaken can sign for them for free in January, so Barcelona are probably not willing to go too far.
So he got done by Raiola then.
If reports from Spain are saying there wasn't even a bid then Di Marzios entire story is flat out inaccurate.
If true, atleast that's still an okay offer which will still be rejected obviously.
Had one good season at BVB, top player.
He’s having his own struggles at Barca at the moment. He might spend much of the season on the bench depending how Malcolm settles.
Media are trying harder than anyone to unsettle Pogba it seems, he is going nowhere because he does not want to go anywhere. Mourinho's relationship with him cannot be that bad if he is refusing to sell him? Knowing Mourinho and his stubbornness he would get rid of him if there was nothing left between the pair. Would probably be easier to justify a sale than it would be use him sparingly. Media are all over United and Mourinho and it is only going to get worse as the season progresses. Trying to unsettle him and Pogba, they both just need to put their heads down and focus on their jobs!
For me he isn’t worth £50m, but in a market that is massively inflated where average defenders went for £50m or more 1 or 2 years ago along with what Barcelona would sell him for.
He deffo isn’t worth £20m in this market. He may be worth that on his ability yes, but this market is massively inflated to make players like him be valued at that.
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