Di Marzio: Barca make bid for Pogba

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RoyH1 said:
And this is the danger with Raiola. Probably angling for a pay raise for his boy.
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Wouldn’t bother me if it kept him at United. I don’t pay his wages.

He just won the World Cup and was their second best player.

He still has 3 years in his contract so we’re not worried for now. Let’s see how the season plays out and if we’re boring and shite again it wouldn’t surprise me to see him getting a big move in the summer.
 
Barca are not naive.They are preparing the ground for next summer. Or already for January if Pogba has problems with Jose.
 
I actually doubt such an offer was made. It's pure fantasy football or FM game style.

What Barca probably did is let United know they are interested and that they can offer cash plus player deal. No way a club offers a player exchange simply out of blue. It has to be talked over with other club, with players agent etc.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if Pogba wants out. It’s been two rubbish seasons followed by a World Cup win. If I was him, I’d be thinking “in a good team I’ll be winning titles non-stop”. We simply not at a stage to be offering titles, and subsequently it’ll result in us losing our best players.
 
Make no mistake, Raiola has offered him to all big clubs, especially Barca and Real. He offered him to City, ffs.
 
Dirty tactic to unsettle pogba, his agent does not come out of this smelling of roses either, probably the fat git was behind this so he would get a huge fee. Let's see if pogba sulks now
 
If Barca are willing to pay the 200m it will take, and if Kovacic is willing to come here, then I'll be all for it. I feel Kovacic would perform more consistently for the club. These rumours are doing nothing to relieve the pressure we all feel ahead of the season. If he truly is upset at Mourinho's comments following the World Cup, then he picked the worst possible time to speak up (why didnt he say anything during the 2+ weeks since the comments were made?). Now because it is late in the window, the club will most likely not sell him. All the rumours do is further disgruntle the fan base who are up to saturation point already following a poor pre-season.

It shows a clear disregard for the fans and the club's success. It also shows true shortsightedness as the rumours will only increase scrutiny on his performances and thus increase the pressure on him to perform (which he has shown that he has trouble handling).

Of course, this could be down to Raiola wanting another fat paycheck for brokering a transfer, in which case I hope Pogba publicly affirms his commitment to the club for the coming season. But if all this is done with Pogba's blessing, then I'd say get rid of him as soon as possible (hopefully next summer if we can not sign an adequate replacement like Kovacic this transfer window). Pogba isnt bigger than the club, and the lack of respect he is showing for the club is disappointing.
I really hope this is entirely down to Raiola and Barca..
 
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You can clearly see why Ferguson didn’t want any clients of Raiola at his club.
 
I'm all for getting rid of him asap at this point. So. Much. Unneeded. Drama.

And this is from both him AND his agent.
 
Ship him to Barca for Rakitic + 60m
Or to Juve for Pjanic + 60m.

Take that 60m and add 30m, get SMS.
Midfield settled (with Matic out indefinitely)
 
Absolutely ridiculous offer.

Say Mina is worth £50m in todays market and Gomez £35m. Add the £45m to that and it totals £130m.

Pogba is worth far more than that. One of the key players in France’s WC win and MOTM in the final. Also has the potential to be the best CM in the world.
 
Mundo Deportivo, the main Barcelona paper, just ran a story on this. They're quoting Calcio Mercato as their source. Here's what they're saying

"Barcelona keep working discreetly in the background to explore all the options to take Pogba from United. It is certain that the French midfielder wants to leave the English club as he doesn't want to work with Jose Mourinho any more. Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated.

"But although Pogba wants to leave United what's less simple is that the club agrees to sell him, and even less likely, at low cost.

"Yesterday Calcio Mercato revealed an agreement between Barca and Pogba at contractual level. From inside FC Barcelona they denied to Mundo Deportivo there was any agreement with the player, but there has been contact with his agent Mino Raiola and the two sides are sufficiently in tune to begin the most difficult part of the operation: taking the player from United. Although Juve are also in the battle and offered more money to Pogba."

Goes on to say they think Mina and Gomez would be good swaps, adding that" Gómez is Portuguese, like Mourinho." it also says they'd consider letting Rakitic and Dembele go if “Mourinho squeezed their arm" but neither would want to move.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ra-diversas-formulas-para-fichar-a-pogba.html
 
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We ain't entertaining that insulting offer. Barcelona cannot afford Pogba full stop; and Riaola knows this, and that we won't be selling now.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Absolutely ridiculous offer.

Say Mina is worth £50m in todays market and Gomez £35m. Add the £45m to that and it totals £130m.

Pogba is worth far more than that. One of the key players in France’s WC win and MOTM in the final. Also has the potential to be the best CM in the world.
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Mina and Gomez are worth nothing to us, we don't need them.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Mundo Deportivo, the main Barcelona paper, just ran a story on this. They're quoting Calcio Mercato as their source. Here's what they're saying

"Barcelona keep working discreetly in the background to explore all the options to take Pogba from United. It is certain that the French midfielder wants to leave the English club as he doesn't want to work with Jose Mourinho any more. Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated.

"But although Pogba wants to leave United what's less simple is that the club agrees to sell him, and even less likely, at low cost.

"Yesterday Calcio Mercato revealed an agreement between Barca and Pogba at contractual level. From inside FC Barcelona they denied to Mundo Deportivo there was any agreement with the player, but there has been contact with his agent Mino Raiola and the two sides are sufficiently in tune to begin the most difficult part of the operation: taking the player from United. Although Juve are also in the battle and offered more money to Pogba."

There's more about the possible swap deals, can translate that as well.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ra-diversas-formulas-para-fichar-a-pogba.html
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Somehow feel this is true.... why doesn't the club just sack Jose and stop trying to hang on to talented players but force them to work with this guy? The club can't have it both ways. Absolutely sick of this shit just before our first game.
 
IMO, Pogba can go for the right price. But not this summer. Barca can bid all they like, and I seriously doubt they are unaware of our transfer deadline, and I also doubt a club of their stature are deliberately disrespecting us by submitting a last minute bid without giving us time to find a replacement.

Having said that, Pogba isn't irreplaceable. Even after his World Cup performances. Football is a team game and losing one player, no matter how talented, will not be a disaster. If Pogba really wants to leave, there's really no point to keep an unsettled player. How we are going to use the Pogba money and who we will replace him with is the more pressing question.
 
AgentP said:
I wouldn't swap Pogba for Dembele + Kovacic. They still have a long way to go to realise their potential. Both players are not regular starters for club and country.
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Why would Dembele even want to come to us right now? It's wishful thinking. He can see the struggles that Martial is having and think 'why should I go there?'. We need to find our identity on the pitch again to attract these top players.
 
nothing surprises me in football anymore but if this were to happen it'd be very close to.
The numbers simply don't add up, there's only really one club prepared to pay the sums required and that's PSG who are trapped under the FFP eye atm

This is far more likely to be a powerplay from Pogba and his agent, they know Mou's position will be under pressure if the season doesn't go well and stories like this will see sections of the club siding with the player ahead of the manager, exonnerating him from some of the blame and even potentially rewarding him with a fat payrise in order to fend off suitors ahead of another transition.

I've no doubt Mou is strong enough to move him on if he feels the player is undermining him however i can't see the club sanctioning it in a million years.
He's a world class talent in prime age who also happens to be the most marketable player on the planet - Mou can't win this battle i feel so he needs to change tack and get him onside

Raiola is a poison but we knew what we were getting into so no point complaining about him now
 
I can't possibly believe that Woodward would allow Pogba to leave. His transfer from Juventus was a coup and probably the best work of Woodward in football related matters, his reputation would take a significant hit if Pogba leaves and get on to become the great midfielder elsewhere that he is destined to be.
 
vish34 said:
I can't possibly believe that Woodward would allow Pogba to leave. His transfer from Juventus was a coup and probably the best work of Woodward in football related matters, his reputation would take a significant hit if Pogba leaves and get on to become the great midfielder elsewhere that he is destined to be.
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Yeah no way is he going. Woody knowshhe's sitting on a marketing goldmine. He'll get rid of Mourinho if it comes down to it.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Yeah no way is he going. Woody knowshhe's sitting on a marketing goldmine. He'll get rid of Mourinho if it comes down to it.
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Needs to do it now. Both these big egos (Jose and Pogba) could do massive damage to our season.
 
What if we accepted Dembele, Alba and cash, and also bought Kovacic?

Sorts out RW, LB and gives us a decent CM.

NOT saying it’ll happen, but if Pogba is so desperate to go, why keep him? Strengthen 2 positions we desperately need and get a CM disillusioned with La Liga. Hell, buy 2 CM’s to replace Pogba.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Absolutely ridiculous offer.

Say Mina is worth £50m in todays market and Gomez £35m. Add the £45m to that and it totals £130m.

Pogba is worth far more than that. One of the key players in France’s WC win and MOTM in the final. Also has the potential to be the best CM in the world.
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How is Mina worth £50m? He’s worth £20m maximum and that already includes World Cup hype inflation.
 
"Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated."

A lot just made sense to me
 
I’m desperate for Pogba to stay - his return was a massive statement of intent regarding restoration to Europe’s elite. If we sell to Barca, Real, Juve or even PSG, it could be damning and possibly decisive for the Mourinho era - we should be able to manage the personalities that often accompany mercurial talent. It may be beyond the point of recovery - Raiola wouldn’t be agitating without his player’s consent, so perhaps we make a plan to release him next summer. Could Pogba develop into an Old Trafford great? Definitely, but it seems evident that following his triumphant ‘homecoming’ he has been demotivated over two seasons to such a degree that he wants out. I would contend that before Ed dips into the Glazers’ pockets to buy another world class talent, we ask ourselves whether we have the right manager. Nobody is bigger than our club, including Jose Mourinho.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Mundo Deportivo, the main Barcelona paper, just ran a story on this. They're quoting Calcio Mercato as their source. Here's what they're saying

"Barcelona keep working discreetly in the background to explore all the options to take Pogba from United. It is certain that the French midfielder wants to leave the English club as he doesn't want to work with Jose Mourinho any more. Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated.

"But although Pogba wants to leave United what's less simple is that the club agrees to sell him, and even less likely, at low cost.

"Yesterday Calcio Mercato revealed an agreement between Barca and Pogba at contractual level. From inside FC Barcelona they denied to Mundo Deportivo there was any agreement with the player, but there has been contact with his agent Mino Raiola and the two sides are sufficiently in tune to begin the most difficult part of the operation: taking the player from United. Although Juve are also in the battle and offered more money to Pogba."

Goes on to say they think Mina and Gomez would be good swaps, adding that" Gómez is Portuguese, like Mourinho." it also says they'd consider letting Rakitic and Dembele go if “Mourinho squeezed their arm" but neither would want to move.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ra-diversas-formulas-para-fichar-a-pogba.html
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Can't disagree with this description of Mourinho, i'm afraid. I feel that we wont get rid of Pogba; everything is pointing towards them preparing for Jose's departure:

- They wont back him fully in the transfer market
- They wont sanction the sale of Martial
- They wont sanction the sale of Pogba

This all points to the paving of the way for JM's departure.
 
Treble said:
Barca are not naive.They are preparing the ground for next summer. Or already for January if Pogba has problems with Jose.
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Barca are dealing with the richest club and not liverpool. They can do any ground work they want but IF Utd will sell pogba it will be neymars money
 
if a decent offer came in I would be tempted to sell him, hes never been consistent here, and is going to leave at some point, if we were offered Rakitic and Umtiti and some money or a dembele I would be all for it.
 
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Can't disagree with this description of Mourinho, i'm afraid. I feel that we wont get rid of Pogba; everything is pointing towards them preparing for Jose's departure:

- They wont back him fully in the transfer market
- They wont sanction the sale of Martial
- They wont sanction the sale of Pogba

This all points to the paving of the way for JM's departure.
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Assumptions. Especially the one about Jose wanting to sell Pogba.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Mundo Deportivo, the main Barcelona paper, just ran a story on this. They're quoting Calcio Mercato as their source. Here's what they're saying

"Barcelona keep working discreetly in the background to explore all the options to take Pogba from United. It is certain that the French midfielder wants to leave the English club as he doesn't want to work with Jose Mourinho any more. Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated.

"But although Pogba wants to leave United what's less simple is that the club agrees to sell him, and even less likely, at low cost.

"Yesterday Calcio Mercato revealed an agreement between Barca and Pogba at contractual level. From inside FC Barcelona they denied to Mundo Deportivo there was any agreement with the player, but there has been contact with his agent Mino Raiola and the two sides are sufficiently in tune to begin the most difficult part of the operation: taking the player from United. Although Juve are also in the battle and offered more money to Pogba."

Goes on to say they think Mina and Gomez would be good swaps, adding that" Gómez is Portuguese, like Mourinho." it also says they'd consider letting Rakitic and Dembele go if “Mourinho squeezed their arm" but neither would want to move.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ra-diversas-formulas-para-fichar-a-pogba.html
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I despise what our reputation has become under Mourinho. I am not saying that we are getting turned down by players because of Mourinho which I have no way of knowing, but we are not desirable to play for anymore. Jose is alienating our most talented players, either by throwing them under the bus after bad performances or by the way he has set us up as a team with no attacking identity. It is very easy to see why you would like to avoid playing for us if you are a talented youngster because Jose has shown time and again that he seems to prefer workhorses. Maybe I am not able to word my feelings correctly, but lines like the one I bolded above make me angry, it's almost taken as a matter of fact now that talented youngsters won't want to move here.
 
Let's also not forget that Pogba has been largely disappointing this last two seasons. Mourinho has done everything to try to accommodate him (I don't think anybody can argue with that, surely?) yet he's often been poor for United. If Pogba has a desire to be the most well-paid player in the team then start showing it on the pitch...
 
JohnnyKills said:
Mundo Deportivo, the main Barcelona paper, just ran a story on this. They're quoting Calcio Mercato as their source. Here's what they're saying

"Barcelona keep working discreetly in the background to explore all the options to take Pogba from United. It is certain that the French midfielder wants to leave the English club as he doesn't want to work with Jose Mourinho any more. Their relationship is not good and the player wants to enjoy his job and not have conflict every day with a coach who relishes the conflict like noone else and even seems to need it to stay motivated.

"But although Pogba wants to leave United what's less simple is that the club agrees to sell him, and even less likely, at low cost.

"Yesterday Calcio Mercato revealed an agreement between Barca and Pogba at contractual level. From inside FC Barcelona they denied to Mundo Deportivo there was any agreement with the player, but there has been contact with his agent Mino Raiola and the two sides are sufficiently in tune to begin the most difficult part of the operation: taking the player from United. Although Juve are also in the battle and offered more money to Pogba."

Goes on to say they think Mina and Gomez would be good swaps, adding that" Gómez is Portuguese, like Mourinho." it also says they'd consider letting Rakitic and Dembele go if “Mourinho squeezed their arm" but neither would want to move.
https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futb...ra-diversas-formulas-para-fichar-a-pogba.html
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Might as well be quoting the Sun, they know nothing.
 
abdo99 said:
Why would Dembele even want to come to us right now? It's wishful thinking. He can see the struggles that Martial is having and think 'why should I go there?'. We need to find our identity on the pitch again to attract these top players.
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Agreed. Any top club needs to play an attractive brand of football. One thing is not attracting players but the other more important factor from a commercial point of view is keeping hold of the current fans and expanding the fan base. Any person who has started watching football in the last 3-4 years would not choose United as their club.
 
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