Di Marzio: Barca make bid for Pogba

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Bestie07 said:
I despise what our reputation has become under Mourinho. I am not saying that we are getting turned down by players because of Mourinho which I have no way of knowing, but we are not desirable to play for anymore. Jose is alienating our most talented players, either by throwing them under the bus after bad performances or by the way he has set us up as a team with no attacking identity. It is very easy to see why you would like to avoid playing for us if you are a talented youngster because Jose has shown time and again that he seems to prefer workhorses. Maybe I am not able to word my feelings correctly, but lines like the one I bolded above make me angry, it's almost taken as a matter of fact now that talented youngsters won't want to move here.
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Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona mouth piece.. You'd believe anything they say?
 
Ban said:
They can prepare all they want if United won't sell.
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A lot of Liverpool fans were like this last Summer - if a player is truly unhappy at a club and especially with its current manager, it's bound to happen sooner than later. I think it's either Mourinho or Pogba that'll be gone this time next year (and I sure as hell know who I'd want to stay at United).

Oh and you'll probably say you're not a selling club and we are, and it might be true, but the principle still stands - if he truly wants out, he'll be gone.
 
AgentP said:
Agreed. Any top club needs to play an attractive brand of football. One thing is not attracting players but the other more important factor from a commercial point of view is keeping hold of the current fans and expanding the fan base. Any person who has started watching football in the last 3-4 years would not choose United as their club.
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Agreed. I hate to say this but I really admire what is going on at both our rivals - LFC and Citeh. They're on the right track in terms of playing style and signings, and seem to be run very well. I get that the proof is in the pudding as far as LFC are concerned - we finished above them last year, afterall, although they did have a better season than us - but theres nothing but positivity about the way they play. We just seem on a mission to self-destruction. No surprise really... it was predicted for the third year.
 
RobinLFC said:
Oh and you'll probably say you're not a selling club and we are, and it might be true, but the principle still stands - if he truly wants out, he'll be gone.
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So you won't be wrong at all. If player doesn't move then he didn't move so badly, is he moves, then he wanted the move very badly.
 
Full Member said:
Agreed. I hate to say this but I really admire what is going on at both our rivals - LFC and Citeh. They're on the right track in terms of playing style and signings, and seem to be run very well. I get that the proof is in the pudding as far as LFC are concerned - we finished above them last year, afterall, although they did have a better season than us - but theres nothing but positivity about the way they play. We just seem on a mission to self-destruction. No surprise really... it was predicted for the third year.
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Mission to self destruction after the highest position in the league since SAF left. You can say ypu don't like how we play but to say we're on a mission to self destruction is just silly.
 
Be nice if Ed makes a formal and public request for all the release clauses of every Barca player.
 
roonster09 said:
So you won't be wrong at all. If player doesn't move then he didn't move so badly, is he moves, then he wanted the move very badly.
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No he's wrong. DDG truly wanted out.
 
Ban said:
Mundo Deportivo, Barcelona mouth piece.. You'd believe anything they say?
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No, I believe what I have seen over the last two years with Jose managing to alienate two of our most talented players, by him constantly looking at blaming our own players for poor team performances and our general lack of any attacking gameplan. Very few (any?) players have actually stepped up a level after joining us and this constant failure of talented players to make the next jump in their evolution must definitely make the next wave of youngsters think twice before joining us. You can lay some blame at the players feet, but when it is all your players failing to make the step up, then you must ask the question what is the common factor behind all of it. I would avoid us if I was a talented youngster, and I am a United fan!
 
Ban said:
Mission to self destruction after the highest position in the league since SAF left. You can say ypu don't like how we play but to say we're on a mission to self destruction is just silly.
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We may have finished second last year, but we were awful at times. No plan in place whatsoever it seemed.
 
BananaIceman said:
The fact that Mina's value (according to the numbers being touted) has tripled or quadrupled ONLY due to his WC performance despite being a bench warmer at Barca should tell you what the market is like. And compared to Mina, Pogba has won the WC
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That's not a fact and it actually tells you very little about the market because in the mean time other players move for "normal" fees.
 
Summit said:
No he's wrong. DDG truly wanted out.
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And was a broken fax machine away from having his way, which means you agreed to sell him. All the reports afterwards indicated that he changed his mind and was happy to stay.
 
RobinLFC said:
A lot of Liverpool fans were like this last Summer - if a player is truly unhappy at a club and especially with its current manager, it's bound to happen sooner than later. I think it's either Mourinho or Pogba that'll be gone this time next year (and I sure as hell know who I'd want to stay at United).

Oh and you'll probably say you're not a selling club and we are, and it might be true, but the principle still stands - if he truly wants out, he'll be gone.
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We will see.
 
Bestie07 said:
No, I believe what I have seen over the last two years with Jose managing to alienate two of our most talented players, by him constantly looking at blaming our own players for poor team performances and our general lack of any attacking gameplan. Very few (any?) players have actually stepped up a level after joining us and this constant failure of talented players to make the next jump in their evolution must definitely make the next wave of youngsters think twice before joining us. You can lay some blame at the players feet, but when it is all your players failing to make the step up, then you must ask the question what is the common factor behind all of it. I would avoid us if I was a talented youngster, and I am a United fan!
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How has he alienate Pogba for example? By leaving him out for like 2 games? I think you're completely overreacting.
 
Full Member said:
We may have finished second last year, but we were awful at times. No plan in place whatsoever it seemed.
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I hate this argument. If you can finish second by playing awful, by all means, let's raise our level to poor then.

We lost ridiculous amount of points to teams worse than us (bottom 7). Our problem is not top 4-5.

We just need to raise our minimum level of performance and better our play for entertainment.
 
SapperBRed75 said:
I’m desperate for Pogba to stay - his return was a massive statement of intent regarding restoration to Europe’s elite. If we sell to Barca, Real, Juve or even PSG, it could be damning and possibly decisive for the Mourinho era - we should be able to manage the personalities that often accompany mercurial talent. It may be beyond the point of recovery - Raiola wouldn’t be agitating without his player’s consent, so perhaps we make a plan to release him next summer. Could Pogba develop into an Old Trafford great? Definitely, but it seems evident that following his triumphant ‘homecoming’ he has been demotivated over two seasons to such a degree that he wants out. I would contend that before Ed dips into the Glazers’ pockets to buy another world class talent, we ask ourselves whether we have the right manager. Nobody is bigger than our club, including Jose Mourinho.
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This is pretty much where my views are regarding this whole Pogba thing. Ever since he came back he became something like our talisman, if we're being poetic you could call him a symbol of hope. One of the best midfielders in the world, still young and with potential to go on to do huge things for then world record fee coming back to the biggest club in the world which fell off while he was gone and at which he had unfinished business and a point to prove.

And now that he's a commercial star, won a World Cup and still has so many years in him, him leaving would be a huge blow for us. Our statement of intent gone. Players who would join so that they get to play with Pogba gone. The commercial power that comes with Pogba gone.

All that said, he needs to come out to squash those bullshit rumours or feck off. No matter what I've said he's not bigger than the club. Make no mistake though, if he's leaving it's not for less than 200M, can't let Barca, Real, PSG or anyone that comes for him feck around with us, we're the biggest club in the world and it's time we started acting like it.
 
Ondrej said:
This is pretty much where my views are regarding this whole Pogba thing. Ever since he came back he became something like our talisman, if we're being poetic you could call him a symbol of hope. One of the best midfielders in the world, still young and with potential to go on to do huge things for then world record fee coming back to the biggest club in the world which fell off while he was gone and at which he had unfinished business and a point to prove.

And now that he's a commercial star, won a World Cup and still has so many years in him, him leaving would be a huge blow for us. Our statement of intent gone. Players who would join so that they get to play with Pogba gone. The commercial power that comes with Pogba gone.

All that said, he needs to come out to squash those bullshit rumours or feck off. No matter what I've said he's not bigger than the club. Make no mistake though, if he's leaving it's not for less than 200M, can't let Barca, Real, PSG or anyone that comes for him feck around with us, we're the biggest club in the world and it's time we started acting like it.
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I think Pogba gets the best and worst at times because he came in as a world class talent in a position where us fans have been gagging for quality for about a decade.

It means when he has a moderately poor game, we blast him. If he has a moderately good game, we rave about him all week.

The reality is, purely from a footballing perspective, Pogba is not irreplaceable based on what I've seen. On his day he is exceptional, but he still has an inconsistency and a selfishness which I am not sure he will ever lose from his game. Flip side is, in today's market, how much value could we really get out of replacing him? Even if we did get something mad like £200m, how far does that really go unless we really spend it well (kinda like Liverpool have, annoyingly). Also this whole thing ignores, as you guys alluded to, the "intangible" aspect of Pogba and what it would mean and the image it would send if we sell him.

It's a tricky situation. But I honestly believe Pogba leaving would say much more about Jose Mourinho the manager than Manchester United the football club.
 
RobinLFC said:
And was a broken fax machine away from having his way, which means you agreed to sell him. All the reports afterwards indicated that he changed his mind and was happy to stay.
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And it is that changing of his mind where you can't say for certain that if a player wants leave he'll eventually go. We won't sell Pogba before the window closes unless a monumental offer comes in which includes players we actually need. That isn't happening, so he stays. So can Pogba not change his mind now like DDG, Greizmann ect? Or will he definitely be sold next window?
 
This would be a disaster. You finally get a prime world class talent, who has roots at the club and is celebrated World Cup winner and you sell him to Barca for a packet of peanuts.
 
Summit said:
And it is that changing of his mind where you can't say for certain that if a player wants leave he'll eventually go. We won't sell Pogba before the window closes unless a monumental offer comes in which includes players we actually need. That isn't happening, so he stays. So can Pogba not change his mind now like DDG, Greizmann ect? Or will he definitely be sold next window?
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My original post was "if he truly wants out, he'll be gone" and I was talking about next window, not this one. I agree he 100% won't be sold this window because Barça left it too late and when they eventually did act, they apparently came up with a laughable offer.
 
RobinLFC said:
My original post was "if he truly wants out, he'll be gone" and I was talking about next window, not this one. I agree he 100% won't be sold this window because Barça left it too late and when they eventually did act, they apparently came up with a laughable offer.
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He'll go (again!) no doubt about it. Just a question of whether it's now or next summer. He clearly wants out
 
How true is this?

The guy not only just had a good world cup, but won the fecking thing. If Maguire goes up 50m because of having a decent one and not winning it, I should think Pogba goes up substantially.
Not that I want to sell him.
Agree with the guy that said United are not attractive to play for anymore. We had 3 things going for us.
The club felt a family under Ferguson, as said by multiple ex-players.
We won stuff.
We played good football, which must way more enjoyable to be a part of as a player, and surely attracted twice as many fans.
None of these things apply anymore. Regardless of the truth in this, the longer this applies the easier it is for the media to make stories up and unsettle anyone playing for us, or thinking about doing so.
 
He's going nowhere this summer, but you can bet if Jose falls out with him again then he'll be kicking off a stink next summer.

I knew this would happen though, the players aren't enjoying it under Mourinho.

When was the last time we've had 2 of our best players want to leave? genuinely don't remember.

Unless Mourinho goes in a massive winning streak and turns this bad mood around we're in trouble.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He's going nowhere this summer, but you can bet if Jose falls out with him again then he'll be kicking off a stink next summer.

I knew this would happen though, the players aren't enjoying it under Mourinho.

When was the last time we've had 2 of our best players want to leave? genuinely don't remember.

Unless Mourinho goes in a massive winning streak and turns this bad mood around we're in trouble.
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It's not just Mourinho, the entire club needs to get their shit in order! It's been an absolute shambles for far too long. I'm absolutely astounded Mourinho has kept his cool for so long, so far (by his standards)
If Pogba goes, within the next 12 months, make no mistake about it, it will hurt the club in more ways than one.
 
Random Task said:
Not a chance in hell Pogba will be sold this summer.

Don't buy into the lies.
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Which lies? I haven't seen any reliable source saying he'll be sold this summer. I think it's pretty obviously true that Barça are interested though and probably made the bid Di Marzio was talking about since he's the most reliable one out there.
 
RobinLFC said:
A lot of Liverpool fans were like this last Summer - if a player is truly unhappy at a club and especially with its current manager, it's bound to happen sooner than later. I think it's either Mourinho or Pogba that'll be gone this time next year (and I sure as hell know who I'd want to stay at United).

Oh and you'll probably say you're not a selling club and we are, and it might be true, but the principle still stands - if he truly wants out, he'll be gone.
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I already believe Jose will be gone now. Either by choice or otherwise. We should do everything we can to keep our best players until we (and they) see how we fare under the next manager. I'm no fan of Martial but even think the same for him.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He's going nowhere this summer, but you can bet if Jose falls out with him again then he'll be kicking off a stink next summer.

I knew this would happen though, the players aren't enjoying it under Mourinho.

When was the last time we've had 2 of our best players want to leave? genuinely don't remember.

Unless Mourinho goes in a massive winning streak and turns this bad mood around we're in trouble.
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I think 95% of them are, it's only Martial that we know is sulking due to game time and then supposedly Pogba due to being dropped 2 games (bless his ego).
 
The offer is nowhere near what we would want, not even enough to tempt us.

Using our "Interest" in Mina and need for a replacement in Gomes.

Its a good tactic from Barca to turn Pogba's head (I don't believe it needs turning much mind).

As a UTD fan, who wants the best for this club I don't think we'll be selling in this window. But like Martial, the writing for Pogba here is on the wall.

Pogba re-joined us in the hope he would realise his potential. He commanded a massive fee and many believed this was a statement of intent, the start of us getting back to the big time. 2 seasons on, Pogba is a massive "star" for his WC exploits and stature in world football, but he's probably shown worse form for us in 2 seasons than he did for Juve. So arguably he's regressed as a footballer, or at best he's remained the same level. He's certainly not improved, despite some glimpses.

So UTD have a dilemma. We have a somewhat unhappy camp of players under a currently morbid and unhappy manager. Selling Pogba would show a lack of ambition, admittance we couldn't get the best out of a world class talent (I stress the word talent as it this point many believe Pogba IS world class, and he simply isn't) and show our rivals our "better" players are easily gettable. BUT, we are such the Pogba show, we are desperate for him to come good and pin all our hopes on him performing to a certain level. If we could replace Pogba with a genuine class midfielder, say a Modric it wouldn't be the end of the world. Perhaps someone not so reliant on attention and media hype would serve our TEAM better, a player who just got on with it and played the game simply and effectively instead of the need to showboat and hog the limelight constantly.

I personally think Pogba is so draining, waiting for him to come good while the media jus laps up his nonsense haircuts and social media.

If Pogba wants to go, we'll be alright. The club will be afraid to look like failures but I think the team would be ok. I'd never want the club to sell its better players, but you cant have unhappy players and on a footballing level, Pogba hasn't been what we wanted yet and if he's unsettled and wants to go, he never will be here

Does raise a further concern that our style of play and mood around the camp isn't what it should be. The point is, Pogba IS sellable. He's also replaceable.

The offer currently is abysmal, but say Juve came in with Sandro & Pjanic. or real offered money & Kovaciv (however you spell it ha), or PSG with money & Verratti. Do-able deals, we hold the cards here
 
.Rossi said:
It would be a watershed moment...
The lad clearly wants out, again!
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I imagine Woody too would get pressure to sack Mourinho. They'll keep Woody because he rakes in money. I bet he even has a sponsor from fecking Allepo.

But for Mourinho, this is make or break. We can't be dross out there and have this perennial cloud of discontentedness.
 
RobinLFC said:
My original post was "if he truly wants out, he'll be gone" and I was talking about next window, not this one. I agree he 100% won't be sold this window because Barça left it too late and when they eventually did act, they apparently came up with a laughable offer.
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You haven't answered my question. Can he not change his mind like DDG, a person that truly wanted out?
 
RobinLFC said:
Which lies? I haven't seen any reliable source saying he'll be sold this summer. I think it's pretty obviously true that Barça are interested though and probably made the bid Di Marzio was talking about since he's the most reliable one out there.
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I'm sure Barca, along with many other clubs, would love nothing more than to take Pogba from United. But it will never happen unless the deal heavily favours United.

As a Liverpool fan, the thought selling at least one of your star players every year must come entirely natural to you. But United only sell players they no longer want or need. Besides Ronaldo, but even then it took Real 2 years of courting and a world record fee to make it happen.
 
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