That the point though. To push on to the next level you need the best individuals.
It's key you hold on to Alli, Kane, Eriksson etc.
If you don't it's one step forward two back.
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That the point though. To push on to the next level you need the best individuals.
It's key you hold on to Alli, Kane, Eriksson etc.
If you don't it's one step forward two back.
It would be. Which is why I didn't say it.
Jesus any chance you can stop going on about United
While I agree with you that if we don't win things he will want to move on, I don't think we need to worry just yet. He also made comment on possibly staying for his whole career, but this seems to be ignored. Simple fact is we need to win a either the league or the FA Cup very soon. One thing I will say is that I would say a lot of players would like at least to play in the new stadium.
That's two seasons away. Nobody will give up two season of their career just to play in a new stadium if they already have cold feet about staying.
What about the housing? Is is mixed or all social?
Prices are falling and there is a record number of unsold new homes in London.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-suffers-the-fastest-fall-in-house-prices-a3540261.html
I think we will at least till we get into the new stadium. The stadium move to Wembley has came at a rather shit time, next season will tell us a lot about the team.
A lot of presuming here, who has cold feet?
Well, in the past we've sold Carrick, Berbatov, Modric and Bale - but the general trend over that period has been one step back and two steps forwards, meaning net progress. So the loss of a star player doesn't necessarily mean all that much in the grand scheme of things.
A lots been said about this Spurs team needing to win something but would a Cup really be enough? Surely the pundits are talking about a League title? Portsmouth won an FA Cup, Swansea won a league cup and the only people who remember those teams are those clubs fans no one else
Would you agree though, that recently, Spurs' cheaper signings pan out better for the team in general than the most expensive ones? And also that the sort of attackers and attacking midfielders you'd recruit for £70m+ are the very kind you'd find it most difficult to attract?
I agree that Spurs are a better team than the individuals they're comprised of though. Son, Eriksen (perhaps Lamela if he hadn't gotten injured) could step up at times when you needed a point or three. I think that stops with Alli and Kane though, who either/or -when in form- turn your team from Europa qualification contenders into top 4 elect because of the platform they can work from.
No, but the poster I replied to - before you jumped in - strongly implied it.
No we ain't man. I respect spurs a lot with what you been doing. You are better than us because you have the best English talent- Kane and alli walker etc. However Chelsea were better than the both of us. If squads didn't change & the players only got older - I'd say spurs would win the title more than Chelsea. Spurs were pretty unlucky due to player and managerial experience aswell as some funding.
But again - I don't think it's coincidental that you have the best English players and you are up there. If you keep the guys; it would take something horrible for you to go backwards instead of forwards. That's the kind of stability homegrown players give to clubs.
If a player wants to stay then playing in a new stadium in two years is a a non factor but if that is already being put forward as a reason a player would want to stay then he has or is starting to have cold feet.
It's one season away - seeing as this one is almost done. The aim is to move into the new stadium for the start of 2018-19.
Its the season after next ffs. Its two seasons!
If a player is playing in game one of the new stadium era then he is commited to that entire season so itll be two full seasons before he can leave
Yeah fair enough, I can't argue with that. Despite losing all those quality players you've still managed to win 1 league cup in the last 20 years. If the method works there's no need to change it.
Goddamit Damien, bloody megathreads!!!
I don't think United or any other English club will sign him because Levy will seriously demand something like £150m, but something I do know is that Spurs needs to break that wage structure to keep both him and Kane.
All the spurs fans deluding themselves about how they will all stay loyal with 30% of the wages they would get elsewhere due to some automated sprinklers, a NFL franchise and a VR tour needs to have their heads checked.
All the spurs fans deluding themselves about how they will all stay loyal with 30% of the wages they would get elsewhere due to some automated sprinklers, a NFL franchise and a VR tour needs to have their heads checked.
Yes ... generally so far at least. So maybe under Poch we wouldn't spend any windfall on expensive players - who knows - but rather on players of the Wanyama/Eriksen/Alli/Alderweireld price category.
Mentioning Lamela reminds me - and many forget that he's hardly played for us this season - that we have him to welcome back into the squad next season, along with young Harry Winks and no doubt one or two other highly regarded prospects from our academy ranks. So that's all the more reason for me to think that losing a single star player this summer (which I don't think will happen anyway) wouldn't have a huge negative impact.
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Bloody hell, you're weird. He'd only have to "give up" one more season (the season coming) before starting to play in the new stadium. And even if he left the summer after that he'd still have only just have turned 23. You make it sound as if he'd be committing the bulk of his career.
Yes, but that's an exception - and perhaps he's learned from that. Who knows - we shall see.
Crickey there shouldn't be that level of literary gymnastics involved to have a convo. I can't really ring fence my own questions or responses based on what someone may have implied.
My point : We will win more than you over any given 3 year period in the next decade. This includes the current 3 years.
You guys are going great but you're still going to haemorrage your best players unless you challenge for trophies and pay them better. You're currently doing neither of those things.
The stadium doesn't matter, the £250k/week he would be able to pick up matters.
You must stop this delusion about your glorious new stadium and the "project" trumping the cash. Do you think we could have attracted Pogba with our relative lack of success lately if we didn't pay absolutely top wages? No way in hell, and Pogba sure as hell identifies himself more with MUFC than Alli does with Spurs.
It is all about the moolah these days. For wages that are comparable to what he would get elsewhere, would Alli decide to stay at Spurs? Sure, he just might do, but don't expect him to do it for 1\3 of what he will make elsewhere.
why so much talk about a new stadium?
If i was a footballer that had offers from many other bigger clubs on the table and was looking for reasons to stay. Playing in a new stadium would definetely be right near the bottom, besides he can always come back as part of the opposition to play in the new 'stadium'. Really clutching at straws with that one
If i was a footballer that had offers from many other bigger clubs on the table and was looking for reasons to stay. Playing in a new stadium would definetely be right near the bottom, besides he can always come back as part of the opposition to play in the new 'stadium'. Really clutching at straws with that one
The stadium does matter, even if it doesn't matter as much as wages - it's not all about moolah.
Some of you guys - those that bang on endlessly about mega money, mega transfer fees, mega wages - really don't get it. There are other ways to build a team and keep the bulk of that team together: you should listen more closely to what Pochettino has had to say on the subject, and perhaps look a little more closely at what's he's created and the way he's gone about it.
In any case, the new stadium will increase our ability to pay higher wages if we want to.
There are other ways to build a team, no doubt.
But there are no other ways in todays football to keep the bulk of the team together as you state. If the discrepancy was something like 20-25%, then sure, but you can't expect someone to be content with sub 100k wages when he could get 250\300k.
That is the equivalent of someone coming to offer Pogba 800k instead of the 275 we pay him, he would be out the door in an instant. Especially if the guys paying him all that extra cash had an equal or greater chance of trophies than the club he left.
Sometimes us fans romanticize football and our clubs more than the professionals do.
Has it though? You've just proved the point. You haven't got where you want to go yet after all this time of selling the above players. Yes you're nearer but you're not there.
If you lose your best players are you going to write off another 5 years or so?
That is the key point that most fans forget - these guys are professionals i.e. its a job.
I wonder how many of the fans would stay at their current job if they had a choice to a new company with much better wages and better career opportunities
I'm not sure on this either.
Is there any specific reason for talking about a new stadium as a legitimate reason that players would want to remain at the club?
Certainly not one I've heard before.
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Couldn't players just leave for another Premier League team and play at New WHL with their new team?
I don't think Dele Alli would give a toss about Spurs new stadium if he was getting offered treble his wages somewhere.
If he's available at any price United will be after him. He's the best English player and in the top 5 players in the league.
I think this will be a domino effect at Spurs, not saying Alli will be the first to leave but someone will due to the wage structure. It's a shame but money talks.
If he's available at any price United will be after him. He's the best English player and in the top 5 players in the league.
I think this will be a domino effect at Spurs, not saying Alli will be the first to leave but someone will due to the wage structure. It's a shame but money talks.
You might want to read my post again if it's gone over your head
He has obviously got people around him telling him that he could play for one of the big clubs, follow Bale to Madrid perhaps. To keep him Levy will have to smash their wage structure and Poch will have to start delivering trophies.
First of all you exaggerate the wage differential. Where are the clubs offering Alli - aged just 21 - 300k per week? I don't see them. And Alli will likely soon be earning 100k per week at Spurs, plus CL and other potential bonuses.
Secondly, Alli has years and years ahead of him - so I doubt he's in any rush to leave Pochettino and a great situation at Spurs. Plus, he could leave but then flop in that different environment and under a new coach, and end up earning less over his whole career than if he stayed at Spurs - it's a risk he doesn't need to think about taking for some while yet at least.
Thirdly, and as already I've said, Spurs' income is increasing in leaps and bounds - and that will be accelerated further by revenue from the new stadium, so the competitive gap with some other clubs - a pretty small number of other clubs globally it should be noted - in terms of the ability to pay wages is only going to shrink from here onwards.
Fourthly, there are many very talented players out there who could potentially command much bigger wages than they are currently getting - far more players than there are clubs able and willing to pay such wages. So to single out Alli - or any other Spurs player for that matter - as prime candidates for being lured away is to fail to see the wood for the trees.
Alli will be at Spurs next season, so that's enough to be going on with for me.
I still count the FA cup as a massive feat, onvioisly I'd love the league and it's of course s possibility if we continue how we are
It all depends not the player I guess. Kane clearly has a loyalty to Spurs, how much does this influence run? No one knows, there is clearly a loyalty to Poch to from Lloris's comments. We're only supporters and time will tell. One thing I will say is I would bet anyone here we won't lose a star name this summer and I don't classify Walker as a star name.
How much would you accept for him?
Whatever that number is, that's the kind of salary he needs to be paid to stay.
It's practically a law of the game. If you claim he's worth £70-100m then he can't be paid the going rate of a £20m footballer.
The Carrick to Bale era spanned more than 7 years and involved losing 4 star players. Those 7 years weren't "written off" - they generally saw the continued progression of Spurs towards where we are now - the 2nd best team in England. They also saw the emergence of new star players at Spurs.
And since Bale was sold - 3 years and half years ago - no key players have been sold, and none have been sold to domestic rivals for nearly 9 years. Those who think that this is suddenly going to change - with our best players all leaving - are simply deluding themselves or engaging in wishful thinking. And even if one star player is sold abroad - in 2 or 3 years from now - a penny will get you a pound that there'll be at least one new star that's emerged or arrived to replace them.
Spurs are in a strong position - stronger than in the Carrick-Bale era. If we've progressed since then, and we have, I see no good reason why all the wheels are suddenly going to come falling off now, as all the Jeremiah's like to predict.