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Spurs aren't a huge club, they can't offer close to the wages other teams will pay for players, their best players will leave. It's simply a case of when and how much for.

Kane and Alli will be there next season, I'll be shocked if either of them will be there over two years from now.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
How much would you accept for him?

Whatever that number is, that's the kind of salary he needs to be paid to stay.

It's practically a law of the game. If you claim he's worth £70-100m then he can't be paid the going rate of a £20m footballer.
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How many £20m footballers are paid the £100k per week wages that Alli will likely be getting at Spurs next season? Very, very few. How many 21 year-old Prem footballers will get paid £100k per week? Again, not many ... so let's have an end to this silly exaggeration about how badly Alli is - and will be - treated at Spurs.

More importantly, he's just signed - willingly - a long new contract, so we don't need to be paying him anything more for the time being than what he agreed to. And if he agrees to a new £100k contract for next season - and I bet he will, then again we won't need to be paying him any more than what's in the contract.

I'm quite happy to challenge your claimed "practically a law of the game" and offer a bet that Alli will be stepping out for Spurs in our new stadium.
 
@GlastonSpur
Do you honestly think that if the big clubs in Europe come knocking, that his head won't be turned? For both money and trophies.
 
At some point, Spurs are going to have to break the bank to keep their players. Andy Dunn said it best. You can't say a player is worth more than 75m and carry on paying him 70k a week.
 
cheeky_backheel said:
That is the key point that most fans forget - these guys are professionals i.e. its a job.

I wonder how many of the fans would stay at their current job if they had a choice to a new company with much better wages and better career opportunities
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This 100%. Maybe local players aside, I find it amusing when people mention things like "history of the club" etc (and now "to play in a new stadium"??). They don't care!

The only things in the equation for top players are money, potential for trophies/ability of the club, manager and perhaps place of residence. I highly doubt they care about much else in the same way that regular people wouldn't when choosing a job. You're not going to sit there long listening to "but..but our company has a great history/new kitchen/best CEO in the world" when someone else is offering more money, more comforts.
 
BlueViper said:
This 100%. Maybe local players aside, I find it amusing when people mention things like "history of the club" etc (and now "to play in a new stadium"??). They don't care!

The only things in the equation for top players are money, potential for trophies/ability of the club, manager and perhaps place of residence. I highly doubt they care about much else in the same way that regular people wouldn't when choosing a job. You're not going to sit there long listening to "but..but our company has a great history/new kitchen/best CEO in the world" when someone else is offering more money, more comforts.
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To me thats the problem with the game now. There is nothing clever about claiming how big you are then sucking up anybody who plays for a rival that is decent. Bayern in Germany, Madrid and Barca in Spain. Chelsea United and City in the Premier. I think most decent supporters would win something given the amounts of money they could spend on players and wages if they were allowed to manage a team
 
GlastonSpur said:
How many £20m footballers are paid the £100k per week wages that Alli will likely be getting at Spurs next season? Very, very few. How many 21 year-old Prem footballers will get paid £100k per week? Again, not many ... so let's have an end to this silly exaggeration about how badly Alli is - and will be - treated at Spurs.
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Never said the lad was treated badly. Also don't believe that he will leave. You get your knickers in a twist so often mate. Nobody is saying that he's in a pickle. He has nothing but good options in front of him.

I think Spurs will offer Alli, Kane & Eriksen improved contracts that keep them happy. I think there is enough money in the club to pay players what they're worth. For a two year period you've only got to incentivize the most important players. The irreplaceable ones.

Yet I firmly believe that - Kane aside - they'll look to move if they don't get pay parity with their peers at other clubs. Alli especially. He seems to have that absolute hunger that the top players have. I could see Kane staying at Spurs forever tbh.

You're going to have to pay up though. It's a ridiculous idea to hold onto that a player will tolerate being paid half of what the Chairman claims that he's worth. (Or less)
 
johnamiri said:
To me thats the problem with the game now. There is nothing clever about claiming how big you are then sucking up anybody who plays for a rival that is decent. Bayern in Germany, Madrid and Barca in Spain. Chelsea United and City in the Premier. I think most decent supporters would win something given the amounts of money they could spend on players and wages if they were allowed to manage a team
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I would love for there to be some sort of wage ceiling for clubs to make it easier for poorer clubs to keep players and build squads. I don't want Monaco, Athletics, BVB etc., to get raided all the time. Never going to happen though since the free market is in such a strong position and football can't live in a bubble. But I do think that the sport would be more interesting if the financial power was less lopsided.

Regarding Alli, I don't see anything new in what he is saying. He is ambitious and right now I think we match his ambitions and he is content. That probably will change in the future if he continues to develop and the club doesn't. Financially it remains to be seen what type of money Levy is willing to pay to keep his star assets. But let's not forget that Kane and Alli are quickly becoming extremely marketable, and with the new stadium we may be able to pay them quite well. Would probably require a larger gap between our 'best' players and 'squad players though'.

We will see.
 
GlastonSpur said:
How many £20m footballers are paid the £100k per week wages that Alli will likely be getting at Spurs next season? Very, very few. How many 21 year-old Prem footballers will get paid £100k per week? Again, not many ... so let's have an end to this silly exaggeration about how badly Alli is - and will be - treated at Spurs.

More importantly, he's just signed - willingly - a long new contract, so we don't need to be paying him anything more for the time being than what he agreed to. And if he agrees to a new £100k contract for next season - and I bet he will, then again we won't need to be paying him any more than what's in the contract.

I'm quite happy to challenge your claimed "practically a law of the game" and offer a bet that Alli will be stepping out for Spurs in our new stadium.
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Not all 21 years olds in the prem are of his quality. He is among the top 5 players the league all ready. Given this he definitely deserves a much much higher salary.
 
Lingard gets £100k per week, ffs! Alli would easily command twice that at Chelsea, City and United if he were to leave.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Thirdly, and as already I've said, Spurs' income is increasing in leaps and bounds - and that will be accelerated further by revenue from the new stadium, so the competitive gap with some other clubs - a pretty small number of other clubs globally it should be noted - in terms of the ability to pay wages is only going to shrink from here onwards.
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Spurs revenue will increase with the new stadium, but their costs are set to escalate also due to the large debt that they'll have to service. Because of this I can't see Spurs being able to offer much more in terms.of wages over the next 5 year.

Have the club spoken out regarding their expected increase in revenue vs their expected increase in costs?

GlastonSpur said:
Fourthly, there are many very talented players out there who could potentially command much bigger wages than they are currently getting - far more players than there are clubs able and willing to pay such wages. So to single out Alli - or any other Spurs player for that matter - as prime candidates for being lured away is to fail to see the wood for the trees.
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There are many very talented players on lower than market value salaries, but not many better than Alli and certainly none better than Alli on such a low salary.

Take Griezmann as an alternative example. He's a great player on a salary which is more than double that of Alli, but rumours are becoming more and more firm about him leaving due to him being paid half of the salary he could earn elsewhere.
 
hellohello said:
I would love for there to be some sort of wage ceiling for clubs to make it easier for poorer clubs to keep players and build squads. I don't want Monaco, Athletics, BVB etc., to get raided all the time. Never going to happen though since the free market is in such a strong position and football can't live in a bubble. But I do think that the sport would be more interesting if the financial power was less lopsided.

Regarding Alli, I don't see anything new in what he is saying. He is ambitious and right now I think we match his ambitions and he is content. That probably will change in the future if he continues to develop and the club doesn't. Financially it remains to be seen what type of money Levy is willing to pay to keep his star assets. But let's not forget that Kane and Alli are quickly becoming extremely marketable, and with the new stadium we may be able to pay them quite well. Would probably require a larger gap between our 'best' players and 'squad players though'.

We will see.
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If that was the case you wouldn't have signed anybody in your team except Kane. Players move because of wages.
 
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hellohello said:
I would love for there to be some sort of wage ceiling for clubs to make it easier for poorer clubs to keep players and build squads. I don't want Monaco, Athletics, BVB etc., to get raided all the time. Never going to happen though since the free market is in such a strong position and football can't live in a bubble. But I do think that the sport would be more interesting if the financial power was less lopsided.

Regarding Alli, I don't see anything new in what he is saying. He is ambitious and right now I think we match his ambitions and he is content. That probably will change in the future if he continues to develop and the club doesn't. Financially it remains to be seen what type of money Levy is willing to pay to keep his star assets. But let's not forget that Kane and Alli are quickly becoming extremely marketable, and with the new stadium we may be able to pay them quite well. Would probably require a larger gap between our 'best' players and 'squad players though'.

We will see.
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It is a food chain Atletico, Monaco, Dortmund, Spurs, etc raid smaller clubs plenty.
 
When spurs lose their players I'm going to love it, hope Alli leaves, it's inevitable, world class players crave big teams, spurs aren't a big team so there's that.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm not sure on this either.

Is there any specific reason for talking about a new stadium as a legitimate reason that players would want to remain at the club?

Certainly not one I've heard before.

@InLevyITrust @GlastonSpur @balaks
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I'd guess that when people talk about the new stadium they are also talking about what we hope will be a progression from medium sized club to a top level club in Europe and all that comes with it. Having said that, I'd expect the likes of Alli to move on in 2 or 3 years, much like Bale did for an enormous fee to Madrid, etc. - he has no real ties to Spurs and is obviously very ambitious and good luck to the lad. The only thing that will change that is if we have success in Champions League, start winning titles and change our wage structure - all of which are possible but in no way certain.

I'm much more confident of keeping the likes of Kane who is essentially a Spurs fan and from what I can tell he wants to be a Spurs legend - of course his head could be turned like any other player but I think he would be less likely to leave UNLESS the club takes a bit of a nose dive and it becomes clear that we will not get to where we want to be (one of the big clubs in Europe).
 
GrandJury said:
Spurs aren't a huge club, they can't offer close to the wages other teams will pay for players, their best players will leave. It's simply a case of when and how much for.

Kane and Alli will be there next season, I'll be shocked if either of them will be there over two years from now.
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I think Kane will be. I just can't picture him forcing a move anywhere, he seems too timid. Alli will definitely leave within the next year or two, Madrid or one of the Milan club's will offer to double his wages and I think his head will turn
 
GlastonSpur said:
The Carrick to Bale era spanned more than 7 years and involved losing 4 star players. Those 7 years weren't "written off" - they generally saw the continued progression of Spurs towards where we are now - the 2nd best team in England. They also saw the emergence of new star players at Spurs.

And since Bale was sold - 3 years and half years ago - no key players have been sold, and none have been sold to domestic rivals for nearly 9 years. Those who think that this is suddenly going to change - with our best players all leaving - are simply deluding themselves or engaging in wishful thinking. And even if one star player is sold abroad - in 2 or 3 years from now - a penny will get you a pound that there'll be at least one new star that's emerged or arrived to replace them.

Spurs are in a strong position - stronger than in the Carrick-Bale era. If we've progressed since then, and we have, I see no good reason why all the wheels are suddenly going to come falling off now, as all the Jeremiah's like to predict.
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Again you're missing the point.

If you'd kept Bale and Modric and continued to build you'd likely have won the league by now and dare I say it much more.

It's okay to say you'll continue to churn out decent players but if you never build on what you have what's the point.
 
TheReligion said:
Again you're missing the point.

If you'd kept Bale and Modric and continued to build you'd likely have won the league by now and dare I say it much more.

It's okay to say you'll continue to churn out decent players but if you never build on what you have what's the point.
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To be fair though - Spurs have been very fortunate in the past decade in that we have managed to recruit players who have become 'elite level' during their time with us - Modric, Bale, Berbatov, etc., etc. all came in young or cheap or both - all left for big fees to some of the biggest clubs in the world. Now we are a pretty big club and we are hopefully progressing to the big time - maybe not Madrid, etc. level but perhaps Chelsea level - now even a club like Chelsea, Utd, Liverpool, etc. etc. who get a truely top level player in their ranks are at threat of losing them to Madrid as an example, that's just a fact - maybe less so with Utd but as seen with Ronaldo it can still happen to them also. So when you look at our recent history - those players of ours who reached that level, or close to it then become targets for the biggest teams in the world.

It's the same for every club apart from Madrid/Barca basically is what I'm saying so it's a bit unfair to knock Spurs for something that happens to every club who gets a top level talent playing for them.

It's become something used to hit Spurs with but on the flip side it's only happened because some of our recruitment has been absolutely incredible and we have been a superb club to develop players to fulfill their potential, much better than most in the league anyway. It's a double edged sword I guess.

My last point is that can you keep a player who doesnt want to play for you anymore and wants to leave?
 
Spurs fans deluding themselves. Would love him to score against them for us
 
KN5 said:
When spurs lose their players I'm going to love it, hope Alli leaves, it's inevitable, world class players crave big teams, spurs aren't a big team so there's that.
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Surely that's a bit of a small time attitude for a United fan lol?
 
balaks said:
It's become something used to hit Spurs with but on the flip side it's only happened because some of our recruitment has been absolutely incredible and we have been a superb club to develop players to fulfill their potential, much better than most in the league anyway. It's a double edged sword I guess.
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It's a good point. Its better to have players that the bigger teams want than not have them. At some point though they need to keep hold of these players if they really want to challenge for trophies long term.
 
It only takes one big player to leave to rock the boat. If Walker goes to City then maybe some players will have their heads turned.

Alli would be a great fit in the United squad. Young, English and hungry.
 
Theres United fans out there who don't want Alli? For what reason?

He is borderline world class and he's only 21 lol. This is the guy we should be breaking the bank for, those comments made to Sky are very worrying for Spurs fans. Wage structures do not work at the highest level of football and it will be no surprise if he and others leave Spurs this Summer.
 
About time we raided our feeder club again. Alli would be just the ticket.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Surely that's a bit of a small time attitude for a United fan lol?
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Not really, spurs fans in general (some fans) have started being bigheaded for not even winning anything and it's extremely annoying, there's thinking you're big time then there's actually being big time. Some fans think spurs are big time but sorry, Spurs are definitely not big time, they can be but I doubt it.
 
KN5 said:
Not really, spurs fans in general (some fans) have started being bigheaded for not even winning anything and it's extremely annoying, there's thinking you're big time then there's actually being big time. Some fans think spurs are big time but sorry, Spurs are definitely not big time, they can be but I doubt it.
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This. Reaching top 4 in the league twice in a row with your budget constraints is commendable no doubt and a reason for renewed optimism but Spurs hasn't won anything yet - if and when they do will depend on a lot of factors (top players leaving, wages, manager).
 
KN5 said:
Not really, spurs fans in general (some fans) have started being bigheaded for not even winning anything and it's extremely annoying, there's thinking you're big time then there's actually being big time. Some fans think spurs are big time but sorry, Spurs are definitely not big time, they can be but I doubt it.
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What is "big time"?
 
Read a fantastic article recently about Lingard's 100k a week and what it does to players like Dele Alli who have massive superstar potential in terms of both marketing and ability.
It basically said, imagine how Dele Alli felt, having the season that he's had, signing a £50k a week deal, only to glance across at Jesse Lingard, having less of an influence on his team and see him signing a £100k a week deal.

The timing was perfect for United. It means Dele Alli holds the cards at the negotiating table for wages, and more likely to be in a position to unsettle him at Spurs, should a query for his services come in and be refused. He would be able to ask for more to be on par with other English talents. He would know he would be paid more at other clubs and possibly seek the big move quicker.

Despite the history that we advertise attracts new players, it really isn't just that anymore. It's marketability and that's what United have over any other club
 
Diablodave said:
Read a fantastic article recently about Lingard's 100k a week and what it does to players like Dele Alli who have massive superstar potential in terms of both marketing and ability.
It basically said, imagine how Dele Alli felt, having the season that he's had, signing a £50k a week deal, only to glance across at Jesse Lingard, having less of an influence on his team and see him signing a £100k a week deal.

The timing was perfect for United. It means Dele Alli holds the cards at the negotiating table for wages, and more likely to be in a position to unsettle him at Spurs, should a query for his services come in and be refused. He would be able to ask for more to be on par with other English talents. He would know he would be paid more at other clubs and possibly seek the big move quicker.

Despite the history that we advertise attracts new players, it really isn't just that anymore. It's marketability and that's what United have over any other club
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Thats hilarious. Will be interesting on England duty when Jesse is boasting about the new moat he has built around his castle. To think that Lingard will have DOUBLE Alli's buying power
 
Diablodave said:
Read a fantastic article recently about Lingard's 100k a week and what it does to players like Dele Alli who have massive superstar potential in terms of both marketing and ability.
It basically said, imagine how Dele Alli felt, having the season that he's had, signing a £50k a week deal, only to glance across at Jesse Lingard, having less of an influence on his team and see him signing a £100k a week deal.

The timing was perfect for United. It means Dele Alli holds the cards at the negotiating table for wages, and more likely to be in a position to unsettle him at Spurs, should a query for his services come in and be refused. He would be able to ask for more to be on par with other English talents. He would know he would be paid more at other clubs and possibly seek the big move quicker.

Despite the history that we advertise attracts new players, it really isn't just that anymore. It's marketability and that's what United have over any other club
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I dont think Utd giving Lindgard a hilariously ridiculous contract will have any baring on Alli whatsoever - you think he doesn't know what the top players earn at the biggest clubs in Europe? What's laughable is that you are trying to spin a positive out of a ludicrous contract decision by Utd. Alli will move when he feels it's the right time, he will earn £200k+ per week at his next club. This has nothing to do with Lindgard.
 
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I dont think Utd giving Lindgard a hilariously ridiculous contract will have any baring on Alli whatsoever - you think he doesn't know what the top players earn at the biggest clubs in Europe? What's laughable is that you are trying to spin a positive out of a ludicrous contract decision by Utd. Alli will move when he feels it's the right time, he will earn £200k+ per week at his next club. This has nothing to do with Lindgard.
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Of course it does. If he seems players at Lingards calibre getting double his wages, he'll know what sort of wage he can get elsewhere.

Imagine working for a company where your paid decent money, but another company is paying people with far less skill at least double your wage. You'd be on that other companys job site straight away.
 
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