Dele 'Muhammad' Alli | Walker takes the finger from Dele | FIFA open disciplinary proceedings

balaks said:
I'm not defending it, it was shocking. However does he do tackles like that on a regular basis? No thankfully he does not and like I said previously that was his first red card in his career. He has a nasty, competitive streak and obviously at times can get himself into bother as a result, but is he a rampaging psychopathic monster? Of course not, he is a kid who needs to learn to control himself under pressure situations. Let's not hang him out to dry just yet.
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I'd agree with this, he's turning into a fine player and most of us don't mind when our own players have a bit of a nasty streak as long as it's not outright thuggery on a regular basis. Spurs bagged themselves an absolute bargain in getting this lad and they're developing him into a top top player
 
balaks said:
Not saying he doesnt have a nasty streak and certainly not defending that shocking tackle last night but he is just a kid and some of the stuff being written about him in this thread is way over the top. One guy called him 'psychotic' and if you read other statements you would assume he is actively out to maim and murder other players. He was totally out of order last night, I'm not defending it but ffs you would think it was the first time some folk had witnessed a bad tackle.
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How is looking to seriously injure a player simply being competitive? He's always tread the line in red cards this season. That tackle really was psychopathic and I am not exeggerating. You only need to look at it again to see he really wanted to go through the guys knee. He didn't even show any concern after I occurred, which players usually do when they act in the heat of the moment.
 
Prodigal7 said:
How is looking to seriously injure a player simply being competitive? He's always tread the line in red cards this season. That tackle really was psychopathic and I am not exeggerating. You only need to look at it again to see he really wanted to go through the guys knee. He didn't even show any concern after I occurred, which players usually do when they act in the heat of the moment.
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So much wrong with this post I can't even be bothered getting into a discussion about it with you.
 
balaks said:
So much wrong with this post I can't even be bothered getting into a discussion about it with you.
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Did he go through the guy's leg? Did he show concern?

Hell,he was even surprised he got a red...
 
balaks said:
So much wrong with this post I can't even be bothered getting into a discussion about it with you.
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From the moment he lost the ball, got up and put in the tackle, it was obvious he was going for the player, not the ball. Was he trying to break his leg, probably not. Nonetheless, he's a nasty little player, you shouldn't try to defend him.
 
onemanarmy said:
From the moment he lost the ball, got up and put in the tackle, it was obvious he was going for the player, not the ball. Was he trying to break his leg, probably not. Nonetheless, he's a nasty little player, you shouldn't try to defend him.
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I'm not defending him at all, i'm saying to say he was psychotic, etc. is ridiculous
 
balaks said:
Not saying he doesnt have a nasty streak and certainly not defending that shocking tackle last night but he is just a kid and some of the stuff being written about him in this thread is way over the top. One guy called him 'psychotic' and if you read other statements you would assume he is actively out to maim and murder other players. He was totally out of order last night, I'm not defending it but ffs you would think it was the first time some folk had witnessed a bad tackle.
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It wasn't a tackle, was it? He got fouled, didn't get the call, and got up and took his frustration on someone. Nowhere near the ball, not a mistake, not even an attempt at a tackle.

This is neither the first time nor the first Spurs player to almost hurt an opponent because things arent going your way. You either happen to have a bunch of players who have a certain type of personality or there is something about Poch that makes them this way. I don't know much about Espanyol's or Saint's disciplinary record under him but the way Spurs resort to petulance and thuggery when they're losing reminds me of Real under Mou.
 
AlecHDR said:
It wasn't a tackle, was it? He got fouled, didn't get the call, and got up and took his frustration on someone. Nowhere near the ball, not a mistake, not even an attempt at a tackle.

This is neither the first time nor the first Spurs player to almost hurt an opponent because things arent going your way. You either happen to have a bunch of players who have a certain type of personality or there is something about Poch that makes them this way. I don't know much about Espanyol's or Saint's disciplinary record under him but the way Spurs result to petulance and thuggery when they're losing reminds me of Real under Mou.
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Again, Man Utd fans moralising on things like this is ironic. You lot must have very short memories.
 
balaks said:
Again, Man Utd fans moralising on things like this is ironic. You lot must have very short memories.
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What are you referring too?

Because Rojo set in a bad tackle a couple of months ago, we can't have an opinion on one of the nastiest tackles this season?
 
balaks said:
Man Utd fans trying to moralise on a bad tackle is quite ironic.
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This forum is the first to condemn bad tackles by our players.
Bailly is getting criticised for making a nothing tackle that led to a harsh second yellow never mind a near career ender.
 
balaks said:
Again, Man Utd fans moralising on things like this is ironic. You lot must have very short memories.
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Oh please don't hide behind what other teams are like. Such a sad defense. I have no issues calling a cnut a cnut, even if he plays for us or manages us. I just said that our current manager fostered something in one of the teams he managed that looks similar to how your lot act. Skipped over that part, eh?
 
cyberman said:
This forum is the first to condemn bad tackles by our players.
Bailly is getting criticised for making a nothing tackle that led to a harsh second yellow never mind a near career ender.
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Show me the post in which I didn't condemn Alli for that awful tackle? I condemn him for it, it was a disgrace. This moralising over it and the 'up in arms' talk is hilarious from Utd fans it really is given what some of your players have done in the past which were MUCH MUCH worse than this tackle. Yet you all are so quick to round on a young kid and call him psychotic.
 
It was disgusting what he did. Who was going to herd the animals if Alli had have broke the poor fella's leg ffs?
 
AlecHDR said:
Oh please don't hide behind what other teams are like. Such a sad defense. I have no issues calling a cnut a cnut, even if he plays for us or manages us. I just said that our current manager fostered something in one of the teams he managed that looks similar to how your lot act. Skipped over that part, eh?
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Again, please find a post from me where I didnt say it was a terrible tackle and i didn't condemned the player.
 
balaks said:
Show me the post in which I didn't condemn Alli for that awful tackle? I condemn him for it, it was a disgrace. This moralising over it and the 'up in arms' talk is hilarious from Utd fans it really is given what some of your players have done in the past which were MUCH MUCH worse than this tackle. Yet you all are so quick to round on a young kid and call him psychotic.
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Post these tackles then
 
balaks said:
Again, please find a post from me where I didnt say it was a terrible tackle and i didn't condemned the player.
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You said it was a terrible tackle but at the same time you think people are overreacting which I don't think they are.

Oh also, the word tackle ticks me off a bit. A tackle is an attempt to stop the player, get the ball, or both. That was just a kick to the leg to vent frustration and possibly cause damage (only Alli knows his intentions).
 
balaks said:
You really need me to point one out to you?
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Yes, unless a players leg ends up shattered i can't see what tackles could be much much much worse than what happened last night.
Its pure luck his leg didn't snap in half
 
AlecHDR said:
You said it was a terrible tackle but at the same time you think people are overreacting which I don't think they are.

Oh also, the word tackle ticks me off a bit. A tackle is an attempt to stop the player, get the ball, or both. That was just a kick to the leg to vent frustration and possibly cause damage (only Alli knows his intentions).
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OK let me say for probably the 5th time so far in this thread for those who are ignoring it for some reason. It was an absolute disgrace what he did and he will rightly get a heavy ban. I condemn him completely.

That doesnt mean I can't challenge the complete hypocrisy of Utd fans who are now up in arms about it.
 
balaks said:
OK let me say for probably the 5th time so far in this thread for those who are ignoring it for some reason. It was an absolute disgrace what he did and he will rightly get a heavy ban. I condemn him completely.

That doesnt mean I can't challenge the complete hypocrisy of Utd fans who are now up in arms about it.
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How is the hypocrisy when we condemn our own?
You're making no sense. The only way you have a point here is if we ignore our own horror challenges and act appaled when our rivals do it.
 
onemanarmy said:
Yes, I asked it too.
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"Even in the dressing room afterwards, I had no remorse. My attitude was, feck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fecked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye."

Your captain actively targetted an opposing player - with the full intention of harming him because of a personal vendetta and purposely 'took him out' which ended that players career. Do you still need me to spell that one out to you or does that not count?
 
balaks said:
"Even in the dressing room afterwards, I had no remorse. My attitude was, feck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fecked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye."

Your captain actively targetted an opposing player - with the full intention of harming him because of a personal vendetta and purposely 'took him out' which ended that players career. Do you still need me to spell that one out to you or does that not count?
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So because a Utd player made a bad tackle 16 years ago we can't comment on another bad tackle? Really? Does that mean you can't complain about a bad decision going against you because Spurs got a soft penalty 16 years ago? Oh and it didn't end his career. If you've seen the tackle you may notice the bandage on his other leg.
 
Pointless to say "United fans can't talk because of Keane", brings nothing to the conversation just diverting away from Alli.
 
balaks said:
OK let me say for probably the 5th time so far in this thread for those who are ignoring it for some reason. It was an absolute disgrace what he did and he will rightly get a heavy ban. I condemn him completely.

That doesnt mean I can't challenge the complete hypocrisy of Utd fans who are now up in arms about it.
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You are just assuming hypocrisy with no evidence. I think this forum tends to be split whenever one of our players goes for a 'tackle' anywhere near that bad. It is not a scientific poll but I would say at least 60% here were pissed off with Rojo for example and his tackles, which ultimately were not as bad as Alli's but still deserving of a red card and could hurt the opposition.

Can you remind me of a United player who did anything anywhere near what Alli did and got defended on here by the majority? Some people are stupid and tribal enough to even defend Keane's on Haaland but I would say the majority are not.
 
acnumber9 said:
So because a Utd player made a bad tackle 16 years ago we can't comment on another bad tackle? Really? Does that mean you can't complain about a bad decision going against you because Spurs got a soft penalty 16 years ago?
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No of course not, we are all condemning him for it and rightly so - some of you lot are being ridiculous about it and saying the kid is psychotic as if it was one of the worst things ever to happen on a football pitch.
 
balaks said:
No of course not, we are all condemning him for it and rightly so - some of you lot are being ridiculous about it and saying the kid is psychotic as if it was one of the worst things ever to happen on a football pitch.
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Then I don't know what relevance Keane is to the discussion. It doesn't check the hyperbole about the tackle. Obviously it's not the worst tackle ever but saying that anyone can't comment on it because of something that happened 16 years ago is silly. Especially considering you have no idea what these same individuals thought of that tackle.
 
acnumber9 said:
Then I don't know what relevance Keane is to the discussion. It doesn't check the hyperbole about the tackle. Obviously it's not the worst tackle ever but saying that anyone can't comment on it because of something that happened 16 years ago is silly. Especially considering you have no idea what these same individuals thought of that tackle.
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I was mainly aiming it at a couple of specific posters and i should have made that more clear, so that's my own fault and i apologise for not doing that. Most of us are in agreement on this thread it's just the odd person going mental over it that grates me.
 
balaks said:
No of course not, we are all condemning him for it and rightly so - some of you lot are being ridiculous about it and saying the kid is psychotic as if it was one of the worst things ever to happen on a football pitch.
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Well, seeing as you've jumped aboard the whataboutery train...Keane was branded a psycho for his tackle. Alli's was every bit as bad. On both occasions the player set out to cause deliberate harm. Neither of them even tried to win the ball or make a tackle. In both cases they actively tried to snap a leg. On both occasions, neither player showed any remorse.

The fact that you brought up Keane's tackle, for me is a coincidence because when I first saw Alli's tackle, that's exactly what it reminded me of.

The only thing I would say is, at least Keane had a reason to do what he did.
 
Omar Little said:
Well, seeing as you've jumped aboard the whataboutery train...Keane was branded a psycho for his tackle. Alli's was every bit as bad. On both occasions the player set out to cause deliberate harm. Neither of them even tried to win the ball or make a tackle. In both cases they actively tried to snap a leg. On both occasions, neither player showed any remorse.

The fact that you brought up Keane's tackle, for me is a coincidence because when I first saw Alli's tackle, that's exactly what it reminded me of.

The only thing I would say is, at least Keane had a reason to do what he did.
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You were doing great until the last line.
 
balaks said:
"Even in the dressing room afterwards, I had no remorse. My attitude was, feck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fecked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye."

Your captain actively targetted an opposing player - with the full intention of harming him because of a personal vendetta and purposely 'took him out' which ended that players career. Do you still need me to spell that one out to you or does that not count?
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Are you sure of the balded part? An injury to the other leg in fact ended that player's career.
 
Young and naive is all I can say. He massively let his team down. Not to mention he could've ended the player's career with that tackle. This whole Spurs team gets overly emotional at times. They keep getting involved in little on field incidents that they really don't need to.
 
RedCurry said:
Young and naive is all I can say. He massively let his team down. Not to mention he could've ended the player's career with that tackle. This whole Spurs team gets overly emotional at times. They keep getting involved in little on field incidents that they really don't need to.
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Agreed, they are very naive at times and show their inexperience when it counts. I'd hoped we had learnt from the shambles of Newcastle and Cheslea last season and to a certain extent I think we have, just every now and again you can see the pressure getting to them.
 
balaks said:
Agreed, they are very naive at times and show their inexperience when it counts. I'd hoped we had learnt from the shambles of Newcastle and Cheslea last season and to a certain extent I think we have, just every now and again you can see the pressure getting to them.
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You're a very sensible poster and I agree with everything you've said here. It was a really bad tackle but psychotic is a bit strong. Don't think there's anything else to say really.
 
God, I really hope Dier will get a cnutish tackle one day as the ones he lunges into in that video.. And the 'ill see him soon' comments.. Jesus.. he's a top-moron.
 
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