If he played for Arsenal or Chelsea, he'd probably be my most hated player in years. Absolutely no question.
Dele Alli - Performance Thread 2017/18
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If he played for Arsenal or Chelsea, he'd probably be my most hated player in years. Absolutely no question.
His family situation is a catastrophe (he doesn't like being referred to by his last name for that reason) and he came up through lower level academy and league football, that'd leave a chip on most anyone's shoulders.
My thoughts too. The ref was woeful yesterday.
Boo hoo, a lot of people come from shitty backgrounds - an enormous amount of people in fact. Alli is a millionaire living in London, he does not have a single reason for behaving the way he does. He is the weakest and skinniest player in every game, yet he acts like this tough guy every time he gets the chance - knowing nobody can touch him since it would yield a red card. Pathetic. I even remember him pushing Frank Lampard in his first season after an argument. You just don’t push Lampard/Giggs/Carrick and those kind of players when you’re a little kid. Hated his face ever since.
Haven't you seen the clip of KDB assaulting Alli with his ankle?
I hope he gets found out at the world cup. He's overrated. He's not good enough to play for Real Madrid or Barcelona in my opinion.
I think he is a C U next Tuesday but I don't think he dived yesterday.
Poor guy almost broke his spike.
So now we justify him just because he comes from a difficult background? Does he dive to forget it?
There is an argument that in that split second of free fall before he hits the deck that a human can achieve a zen like state of mindfulness which effectively cleanses the soul.
Definitely a dive. Cheating little shitbag
Why not? He nutmegged Modric within 30s of ever stepping onto a pitch wearing a Spurs shirt (friendly in the USA against Real). He's very good in large part because he gives no shit who anyone is. The best players are the ones who refuse to accept "their place" in the game.
As for shoving Lampard - say what you want about that night at Stamford Bridge, but it pretty much cemented Spurs fans love for quite a lot of those youngsters. We've been "lads it's Tottenham" for far too long and while they lost their cool, they showed they weren't going to get just bullied around because the other team had established stars and felt they could. And nobody has bullied Spurs since then.
There's no question he's an absolute pain in the ass. Spurs have needed a steel spine and a few pains in the ass for years though, and as long as he knows how to toe the proper side of the line then it's a huge benefit for the team.
KdB was alright so Alli's tackle wasn't bad.
Take off your biased blinkers mate. From Ref Review:
"... we don’t get the controversy over this one as it looked a stick on."
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/ref-review-dele-alli-penalty-verdict-var-debate-over-man-utd-goal
Seems to me that whatever Dele does is a dive on this forum. 100% clear penalty, was a clumsy challenge that Alli didn't try to move away from (and why should he?).
Last I checked, United weren't in this match? He definitely dives. There might be some small contact, which certainly could never cause the reaction it does, unless it was on a 5 year old. He 100% dives to exaggerate it, so he's trying to con the ref, so it's a dive. End of.
When he isn't one of the best so what is he proving by that ?
It's because hes such a dislikable character, people cant get by that bias of him being a shitbag I guess.
If it was a dive then 90% of the penalties refs give out are dives, as players make no effort to get out of the way and just fall over like they have had both legs broken. Every player knows not to lunge in unless you are 100% certain you are taking the ball. You dont get the ball and players go down under the slightest contact. At least with Alli there was decent contact, unlike some in the RM/PSG match.
The Modric and Kroos ones were laughably bad. And Kroos got a penalty out of one of his dives, but it's the same argument, minimal contact, no where near enough to fall over. The defender knows he shouldnt be putting his hands there, but does it anyway like an idiot. Kroos goes to ground like the dood resting his hand on his should is actually Hafthor Bjornssen trying to crush his spine, penalty.
He's got 40+ goals and he's not even 22 yet. Don't be silly.
He's got 9 goals and 11 assists already this season and he's having a "poor" season. If that's poor for you, you are a terrific footballer.
Hes definitely not having a bad season, started a little slow. Just comparative to his breakout season it's not as good. In the PL he still has 5 goals and 7 assists which is just below Silva's 5 goals 8 assists and above Ozils 4 goals 7 assists. And people were talking about Silva having a bit of a renaissance season.
Maybe it's because De Bruyne, Mo Salah, Sane and Sterling are posting such big numbers for assists/goals that Alli isnt really being seen as having a successful season. I feel these figures are a little skewed because of how Man C have blown teams away/been so dominant thus inflating the numbers a little.
Maybe it's because De Bruyne, Mo Salah, Sane and Sterling are posting such big numbers for assists/goals that Alli isnt really being seen as having a successful season. I feel these figures are a little skewed because of how Man C have blown teams away/been so dominant thus inflating the numbers a little.
Don't be silly yourself, is he one of the best in the world ? Simple answer is no...
He definitely is one of the best young players in his position in the world. His stats back that up.100%. Show me another player 21 or under with better stats than Alli the past 3 seasons? Since he burst on to the scene people have been desperate to pull him down.
He's absolutely class.
Therein lies the difference, the age. I simply compare him with all the players and not the U21
Wait, what? Do you do the same for all players lol? Some kid is tearing up the under 18's, 'yeah but compared to lewandowski hes pretty shite'.
Surely you have to compare players based somewhat on their age. You develop your game as you mature as a player.
Really... Just read it simply and it is easy to understand.
I should hire you as my representative.
Yeah but it's typical assumption, people jumping to defend their favorites without realizing what was actually said to begin with.
Seriously though, it's not that hard to understand.
Exactly. For some reason Spurs fans have tin foil hat when it comes to Alli. Everyone turn into Glaston when they talk about Alli of Pogba (except 1 guy, I forgot his name).
Spurs fan, ur having a laugh, Newcastle Jets fan. I watch the PL without any major allegiance, but Id say if I had to pick a team it would be United, although ive probably watched more Burnley games this season than any other team.
As for the thread look at what was stated, look what was quoted, it's not hard.
Here is the quote
to which Koroux replied
lol no he wasnt, he replied to that with this response.
Here it is in full
to which Koroux replied
All in all, I never mentioned age once. He isn't one of the best players in the world, when I say that, obviously all ages are considered.
Well all in all its not really fair to judge young players at the beginning of their careers and such an early stage of development like that. To do what Alli has done in his first 3 seasons of PL football is phenomenal and shall I add, unparalleled . His stats smash the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes at the same stage. Different positions as Alli does play further forward although Lampard and Gerrard did play very advanced at different points in their careers also.
Now noone is saying Alli is the finished product. He has areas of his game to improve. However in and around the box he is absolutely deadly with both assists and finishes. He has the capability to play deeper too. He can do it all really. Its scary to think he is miles away from hitting his peak with the stats he has already .
I get you man but still. Alli isn't simply one of the best players in the world (yet). It's fairly simple statement, I just don't understand why you feel the need to precise more to it as I made no predictions on the level he could reach or not in the futur.
The churlishness directed towards him is exactly the sort of thing I'd look for from opposition fans when it came to talking about a Manchester United player.
Alli is a 2nd striker, only Scholes was playing in a similar position at a similar age, the other two started as DM and CMs. In comparison to those three players Alli's game will probably never be as advanced, he can't pass or dribble to a great level, his best qualities are his movement..
Have to disagree with you about his passing. He is a very clever passer. Just have to look at how many assists he gets for Kane.
He may not be a player who makes 50 yard raking passes across the pitch but he doesn't need to. His short to medium passing game is excellent. Plenty of time yet for his all round game to advance to those other three players levels. I'm not say he will become as cultured as scholes, but it's too early to say either way.
It's probably more to do with not just looking at stats. Someone can play woefully and still come up with a goal or an assist and someone can have an excellent game and not.
he is not - he has played that position but very rarely he is primarily a attacking midfielder. If you look at his heat maps they tend to mirror Eriksen's (a little further forwards. He had the one great game in the second striker position against Chelsea and now its convenient to label him a second striker to limit the impact of his performance - you can find his heat maps http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/matchcentre/liverpool-vs-tottenham-hotspur-04022018/ (not only that I watch all our games and the vast majority he is in AMF).
I do agree his best attribute is timing and movement but he is also very intelligent player and is vital in our build up play.
I'd say the same about United fans and Pogba (I rate a lot of United players - SELL US MARTIAL PLZ K THX - but I think Pogba is a useless pain in the ass I wouldn't want within 100km of any team I support). It's definitely part of being a fan
I'd say the same about United fans and Pogba (I rate a lot of United players - SELL US MARTIAL PLZ K THX - but I think Pogba is a useless pain in the ass I wouldn't want within 100km of any team I support). It's definitely part of being a fan
Oh sure. Like I said lot of Glastons.