Dele Alli is England's best young midfielder playing in Turkey

[GlastonSpur]

Don't you think it's rather silly that you're calling out posters for having not seen Dembele play last season, when if they're Premier League watchers, and given Spurs were on the TV a lot last season, they'll almost certainly have seen him play dozens of times.

This is especially silly as you then flatly state that Dele Alli showed more potential than Pogba at 19 yet you clearly never watched Pogba play at that age, which is obvious from the ignorance in your points and your disdain for Serie A. You only have goal and assist numbers, easily sourced from Sqwauka or elsewhere as the crutch for your argument. That's pathetic.

It's true I didn't see Pogba play aged 19 - but then he only made 2 sub appearances for United and was aged 19.5 when he joined Juventus. And if you don't agree that Serie A is an inferior league to the Prem then good luck to you.

I only have goals and assists for my argument? I'd say goals and assists are pretty damn important. And when a 19 year-old, who wasn't even playing as an AM for some of the time, racks up 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs I'd hardly call that a "pathetic" "crutch".

Besides, I also have the evidence of my eyes, as did the England manager, who brought him into senior squad and rightly so.

Your problem - and the problem of some United Pogba fan-boys in general - is that, having proclaimed him as this god-like figure, especially now that he cost a world-record fee and has signed for United, you now feel compelled proclaim his superiority at every age. Which is why you splutter with outrage at the suggestion that he didn't show as much at the age of 19 as Alli has.

Pogba has played 2 games in the Prem so far, against weak or middling teams. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that you and others hold back your Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more? I don't think so.

 

[NinjaFletch]

It's true I didn't see Pogba play aged 19 - but then he only made 2 sub appearances for United and was aged 19.5 when he joined Juventus. And if you don't agree that Serie A is an inferior league to the Prem then good luck to you.

I only have goals and assists for my argument? I'd say goals and assists are pretty damn important. And when a 19 year-old, who wasn't even playing as an AM for some of the time, racks up 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs I'd hardly call that a "pathetic" "crutch".

Besides, I also have the evidence of my eyes, as did the England manager, who brought him into senior squad and rightly so.

Your problem - and the problem of some United Pogba fan-boys in general - is that, having proclaimed him as this god-like figure, especially now that he cost a world-record fee and has signed for United, you now feel compelled proclaim his superiority at every age. Which is why you splutter with outrage at the suggestion that he didn't show as much at the age of 19 as Alli has.

Pogba has played 2 games in the Prem so far, against weak or middling teams. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that you and others hold back your Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more? I don't think so.

Again, is Kane a better player than Messi?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Again, is Kane a better player than Messi?

Obviously not. Why do you ask?

 

[roonster09]

It's true I didn't see Pogba play aged 19 - but then he only made 2 sub appearances for United and was aged 19.5 when he joined Juventus. And if you don't agree that Serie A is an inferior league to the Prem then good luck to you.

I only have goals and assists for my argument? I'd say goals and assists are pretty damn important. And when a 19 year-old, who wasn't even playing as an AM for some of the time, racks up 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs I'd hardly call that a "pathetic" "crutch".

Besides, I also have the evidence of my eyes, as did the England manager, who brought him into senior squad and rightly so.

Your problem - and the problem of some United Pogba fan-boys in general - is that, having proclaimed him as this god-like figure, especially now that he cost a world-record fee and has signed for United, you now feel compelled proclaim his superiority at every age. Which is why you splutter with outrage at the suggestion that he didn't show as much at the age of 19 as Alli has.

Pogba has played 2 games in the Prem so far, against weak or middling teams. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that you and others hold back your Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more? I don't think so.

Your posts are full of contradictions.

 

[Kraftwerker]

It's true I didn't see Pogba play aged 19 - but then he only made 2 sub appearances for United and was aged 19.5 when he joined Juventus. And if you don't agree that Serie A is an inferior league to the Prem then good luck to you.

I only have goals and assists for my argument? I'd say goals and assists are pretty damn important. And when a 19 year-old, who wasn't even playing as an AM for some of the time, racks up 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs I'd hardly call that a "pathetic" "crutch".

Besides, I also have the evidence of my eyes, as did the England manager, who brought him into senior squad and rightly so.

Your problem - and the problem of some United Pogba fan-boys in general - is that, having proclaimed him as this god-like figure, especially now that he cost a world-record fee and has signed for United, you now feel compelled proclaim his superiority at every age. Which is why you splutter with outrage at the suggestion that he didn't show as much at the age of 19 as Alli has.

Pogba has played 2 games in the Prem so far, against weak or middling teams. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that you and others hold back your Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more? I don't think so.

There is no outrage. I'm more amused that someone who even admits that he didn't watch Pogba play at 19 can state with such conviction that he didn't show the same promise as Dele Alli.

It's like someone saying they didn't watch Roy Keane play in his first season at United, but then using goal/assist stats which would compare unfavourably to someone like Jamie Redknapp, and then using that as definitive proof that Redknapp must be the more accomplished player.

Don't you see how utterly daft that is? You're essentially admitting total ignorance and speaking with authority on something you're totally clueless about. The worst kind of debater.

You could probably learn a thing or two about Pogba on this forum as his career was followed very closely in multiple threads since his exit from our club. In fact, most looked on in horror and with a feeling of sickness as he forced his way into a midfield containing the likes of Andrea Pirlo, Arturo Vidal and Claudio Marchisio, and arguably became more important than any of them, dominating midfield with both finesse and physicality, showing maturity and discipline beyond his years. And ultimately winning Serie A in the first season and every season since, including making team of the year three times, often ahead of aforementioned world class midfielders, and other Serie A gems such as Pjanic, De Rossi, Naingollan etc.

But I guess you don't rate them either. Serie A may not be as strong as the Premier League on the whole, but for the last few years we've been in danger of losing our 4th spot to that league, so it's clearly not lightyears behind. And one area they've always been very accomplished in is midfield. Juventus have arguably had a top 3 midfield for the last 4 or 5 seasons, hence why they often go deep in the CL despite coming from what is in your view a relatively poor league. But then you don't watch it so you're clueless about that too. Stop arguing about things you don't have a clue about. It makes you look like a plank.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Obviously not. Why do you ask?

And why not?

Your argument so far has been: 'Playing well in an inferior league and in cup competitions is a different kettle of fish' and that people should 'hold back [their] Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more' and words to the effect that if you haven't done it in the Premier League it doesn't count.

So where is the cut off point? If you consider Messi's talent to be so obvious that everything you have been arguing about Pogba does not apply to him then who else is that true for? What other players do you consider so unambiguously good that the fact they have not played in the Premiership does not matter? Is Lewandowski better than Kane?

 

[Lash]

I disagree with this, at 19/20 Gerrard had shown very little, Scholes had a brilliant breakout season but wasn't a first 11 regular like Alli, Lampard was a regular but had nowhere near the same impact as Alli. I'm pretty sure Wilshere was in the team of the season at 19.

All three showed a lot of potential at very young ages.

Just on this. He was over hyped, but the talent was real with wilshere. You don't get a debut at 16 for arsenal otherwise and had the same amount of talent if not more at 19, than Alli.

 

[GlastonSpur]

There is no outrage. I'm more amused that someone who even admits that he didn't watch Pogba play at 19 can state with such conviction that he didn't show the same promise as Dele Alli.

It's like someone saying they didn't watch Roy Keane play in his first season at United, but then using goal/assist stats which would compare unfavourably to someone like Jamie Redknapp I'd imagine and the using that as definitive proof that Redknapp must be the more accomplished player.

Don't you see how utterly daft that is? You're essentially admitting total ignorance and speaking with authority on something you're totally clueless about. The worst kind of debater.

You could probably learn a thing or two about Pogba on this forum as his career was followed very closely in multiple threads since his exit from our club. In fact, most looked on in horror and with a feeling of sickness as he forced his way into a midfield containing the likes of Andrea Pirlo, Arturo Vidal and Claudio Marchisio, and arguably became more important than any of them, dominating midfield with both finesse and physicality, showing maturity and discipline beyond his years. And ultimately winning Serie A in the first season and every season since, including making team of the year three times, often ahead of aforementioned world class midfielders, and other Serie A gems such as Pjanic, De Rossi, Naingollan etc.

But I guess you don't rate them either. Serie A may not be as strong as the Premier League on the whole, but for the last few years we've been in danger of losing our 4th spot to that league, so it's clearly not lightyears behind. And one area they've always been very accomplished in is midfield. Juventus have arguably had a top 3 midfield for the last 4 or 5 seasons, hence why they often go deep in the CL despite coming from what is in your view a very poor league. But then you don't watch it so you're clueless about that too. Stop arguing about things you don't have a clue about. It makes you look like a plank.

As you are a self-proclaimed avid Pogba-watcher, are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli?

The "in danger of losing our 4th spot to that league" is a strawman - since most English clubs have fielded weakened teams in the EL.

As for the rest, it simply illustrates that Juve have been far and away the dominant team in a league that is much weaker than the Prem. Now Pogba is in a league where several teams will be up there competing for top spot - he won't get such an easy ride. So again I'd suggest you wait for more than just two fairly easy Prem games before proclaiming his brilliance quite so loudly.

 

[Santoryo]

I disagree with this, at 19/20 Gerrard had shown very little, Scholes had a brilliant breakout season but wasn't a first 11 regular like Alli, Lampard was a regular but had nowhere near the same impact as Alli. I'm pretty sure Wilshere was in the team of the season at 19.

All three showed a lot of potential at very young ages.

No what all three showed is your typical breaking through season which got them noticed and the British media ran wild over hyping them. Normally people should have been talking about some young talent coming through and showing potential but they were made into something they weren't, not even close. That's what the British media does especially when it comes to young English talents.

Every single time a young lad break through with a good season, the media automatically elevate them to something they aren't which change perceptions from people and everyone think they are some unseen before talents. Just in the past few season all the young talents have been overrated beyond their actual level and actual potentials.

Sterling, Wilshere, Barkley etc are all example of player tout to be the next Beckams, Scholes, Gerrard and such when in reality that level of talent is very rare. And of course none of them(so far) turned that way, not even close.

 

[Cascarino]

Just on this. He was over hyped, but the talent was real with wilshere. You don't get a debut at 16 for arsenal otherwise and had the same amount of talent if not more at 19, than Alli.

Agreed, I think all three of Alli/Barkley/Wilshere have been overhyped, but this is usually the way with young (at the time) talented players. His performance against Barcelona was superb. He blew me away that night.

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I don't neccessarily disagree with that. I was just disagreeing that Scholes/Lampard/Gerrard showed more ability at similar ages. I think all young players will be overhyped, it's not exclusive to England. Bojan, Canales, Gotze, Muniain, Balotelli, Arnautovic, Santon, Ganso etc, fans and pundits alike enjoy hyping up young players.

 

[GlastonSpur]

And why not?

Your argument so far has been: 'Playing well in an inferior league and in cup competitions is a different kettle of fish' and that people should 'hold back [their] Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more' and words to the effect that if you haven't done it in the Premier League it doesn't count.

So where is the cut off point? If you consider Messi's talent to be so obvious that everything you have been arguing about Pogba does not apply to him then who else is that true for? What other players do you consider so unambiguously good that the fact they have not played in the Premiership does not matter? Is Lewandowski better than Kane?

I don't regard the Spanish league as inferior. And nor have I said that playing well in another (non-Prem) league "doesn't count". Besides, Messi's talent is far more obvious than Pogba's.

Essentially we're back to a typical resort of some United fans whenever it's suggested than a specified Spurs player might be just as good as (or, god forbid, better than) a specified United player, or might have shown as least as much potential at a given age as some shiny new United toy. The resort consists of an attempt to imply the delusions of Spurs fans in their alleged proclaiming to have the worlds' best XI.

 

[Kraftwerker]

As you are a self-proclaimed avid Pogba-watcher, are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli?

As for the rest, it simply illustrates that Juve have been far and away the dominant team in a league that is much weaker than the Prem. Now Pogba is in a league where several teams will be up there competing for top spot - he won't get such an easy ride. So again I'd suggest you wait for more than just two fairly easy Prem games before proclaiming his brilliance quite so loudly.

Forcing your way into a midfield containing Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, and being every bit as good as them, and winning Serie A, is definitely a sterner challenge than getting into the Spurs midfield.

That said, I like Dele Alli and unlike you I'm not so insecure that I need to try to disparage him to make my point. He's clearly a talented player who has shown in flashes that he has an eye for sublime football. I would say most of his best and most eye-catching work has come in an advanced role behind Kane, which has naturally allowed him to boost his goal and assist numbers.

I would say Pogba demonstrated plenty of the finesse and eye catching skill that Dele Alli has done. But he also has been able to mix it up with dominant, physical and disciplined midfield performances from a deeper box to box role.

I think Dele Alli will ultimately become a specialist AM, whereas Pogba can be anything he wants but will likely become the best box to box midfielder in the world, and has been knocking on that door already for some time.

It seems to rankle you that United fans rate Pogba highly. Yet at least plenty of us base that opinion on having followed his career from a teenager. Whereas you have admitted total ignorance yet feel you can speak with authority. It's also a bit rich trying to claim we can't praise him until he's played more games when just a few pages back there's posts of yours from a few years ago proclaiming that Sandro and Paulinho were midfield stars destined to be the future of the Brazilian midfield. And that before you'd seen them kick a ball for Spurs, and likely wouldn't have seen them play much at all prior. We at least have years and years of Pogba's career to date to use as the yardstick for his ability. You had nothing on them and you have nothing on Pogba. But it doesn't stop you speaking with unwarranted conviction on those players. In short, you're embarrassing yourself and would be well placed to speak only on players you know anything about.

 

[GlastonSpur]

Forcing your way into a midfield containing Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, and being every bit as good as them, and winning Serie A, is definitely a sterner challenge than getting into the Spurs midfield.

That said, I like Dele Alli and unlike you I'm not so insecure that I need to try to disparage him to make my point. He's clearly a talented player who has shown in flashes that he has an eye for sublime football. I would say most of his best and most eye-catching work has come in an advanced role behind Kane, which has naturally allowed him to boost his goal and assist numbers.

I would say Pogba demonstrated plenty of the finesse and eye catching skill that Dele Alli has done. But he also has been able to mix it up with dominant, physical and disciplined midfield performances from a deeper box to box role.

I think Dele Alli will ultimately become a specialist AM, whereas Pogba can be anything he wants but will likely become the best box to box midfielder in the world, and has been knocking on that door already for some time.

It seems to rankle you that United fans rate Pogba highly. Yet at least plenty of us base that opinion on having followed his career from a teenager. Whereas you have admitted total ignorance yet feel you can speak with authority. It's also a bit rich trying to claim we can't praise him until he's played more games when just a few pages back there's posts of yours from a few years back proclaiming that Sandro and Paulinho were midfield stars destined to be the future of the Brazilian midfield. And that before you'd seen them kick a ball for Spurs, and likely wouldn't have seen them play much at all prior. We at least have years and years of Pogba's career to date to use as the yardstick for his ability. You had nothing on them and you have nothing on Pogba. But it doesn't stop you speaking with unwarranted conviction on those players. In short, you're embarrassing yourself and would be well placed to only speak on players you know anything about.

I see you didn't answer my question. Are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[Moby]

Glaston seems to be obsessed with Pogba.

 

[El-Manos]

I don't regard the Spanish league as inferior. And nor have I said that playing well in another (non-Prem) league "doesn't count". Besides, Messi's talent is far more obvious than Pogba's.

Essentially we're back to a typical resort of some United fans whenever it's suggested than a specified Spurs player might be just as good as (or, god forbid, better than) a specified United player, or might have shown as least as much potential at a given age as some shiny new United toy. The resort consists of an attempt to imply the delusions of Spurs fans in their alleged proclaiming to have the worlds' best XI.

I seem to recall some United posters calling you out last season on some of your previous statements, however you seem to be back with some more statements lately. I hope you won't go missing again after a few months of football like last season.

 

[KM]

This thread keeps on giving. Largely telling that none of the Spurs fans have come forward to back Glaston in this arguments.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I see you didn't answer my question. Are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli? A simple yes or no will do.

Weren't you the one who was saying on here that Martial being the better player at 19 than Kane was is largely irrelevant, because Kane is currently better.

Answer: Yes, yes you were.

I responded to the claim that Martial is (now, present tense) more talented than Kane. However, you seem to be talking about Martial as a better prospect for the future - in contrast to "how good a player currently is". Well, OK, that's an opinion which has yet to be proven true.

Yet now in here you are vehemently defending the idea that Alli > Pogba at 19, despite, in your own words ... it being irrelevant?

 

[NinjaFletch]

I don't regard the Spanish league as inferior. And nor have I said that playing well in another (non-Prem) league "doesn't count". Besides, Messi's talent is far more obvious than Pogba's.

Essentially we're back to a typical resort of some United fans whenever it's suggested than a specified Spurs player might be just as good as (or, god forbid, better than) a specified United player, or might have shown as least as much potential at a given age as some shiny new United toy. The resort consists of an attempt to imply the delusions of Spurs fans in their alleged proclaiming to have the worlds' best XI.

I haven't done anything of the sort.

All I'm doing is asking you to expand on the logic that you've used in the thread. And asked you to tell me what other players talent you would consider so 'obvious' that them having done it in an inferior league becomes immaterial.

So you don't consider the Spanish League inferior, ok, but you do consider the Italian league so. And the Bundesliga? And Ligue 1 presumably? So which players playing in those leagues have shown talent so obvious that they wouldn't have to 'compete' to get into the Spurs XI? Thats all I'm asking you.

 

[KM]

Weren't you the one who was saying on here that Martial being the better player at 19 than Kane was is largely irrelevant, because Kane is currently better.

Answer: Yes, yes you were.



Yet now in here you are vehemently defending the idea that Alli > Pogba at 19, despite, in your own words ... it being irrelevant?

 

[KM]

I haven't done anything of the sort.

All I'm doing is asking you to expand on the logic that you've used in the thread. And asked you to tell me what other players talent you would consider so 'obvious' that them having done it in an inferior league becomes immaterial.

So you don't consider the Spanish League inferior, ok, but you do consider the Italian league so. And the Bundesliga? And Ligue 1 presumably? So which players playing in those leagues have shown talent so obvious that they wouldn't have to 'compete' to get into the Spurs XI? Thats all I'm asking you.

Would like to know his opinion about Ligue 1 and Bundesliga. So presumably he thinks that Alaba, Verratti, Lahm won't get into Spurs XI because they haven't proved themselves out of an inferior league?
#GlastonLogic

 

[Kraftwerker]

I see you didn't answer my question. Are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli? A simple yes or no will do.

I quite clearly did. I just don't feel
the need to disparage Dele Alli. It's comparing apples and pears due to their respective roles but in my view Pogba definitely showed he was a more accomplished midfielder. I've yet to see Alli dominate and control a midfield in the manner a young Pogba did at Juventus. He was a midfield general. It's likely Alli will never be able to do this in the same manner because physically Pogba is a freak of nature. In terms of discipline and maturity in performance, it's not a contest, but Dele Alli should improve this aspect. From a technical perspective they're pretty evenly matched. Sublime players.

I see you ignored the rest of my post. Care to explain why you can speak with such conviction about players you haven't seen play, but then get your knickers in a twist when United fans pass comment on a player they've watched for about 7 years?

 

[Ban]

I love how he keeps avoiding answering would Veratti get in Spurs XI.

 

[Borden]

It's true I didn't see Pogba play aged 19 - but then he only made 2 sub appearances for United and was aged 19.5 when he joined Juventus. And if you don't agree that Serie A is an inferior league to the Prem then good luck to you.

I only have goals and assists for my argument? I'd say goals and assists are pretty damn important. And when a 19 year-old, who wasn't even playing as an AM for some of the time, racks up 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs I'd hardly call that a "pathetic" "crutch".

Besides, I also have the evidence of my eyes, as did the England manager, who brought him into senior squad and rightly so.

Your problem - and the problem of some United Pogba fan-boys in general - is that, having proclaimed him as this god-like figure, especially now that he cost a world-record fee and has signed for United, you now feel compelled proclaim his superiority at every age. Which is why you splutter with outrage at the suggestion that he didn't show as much at the age of 19 as Alli has.

Pogba has played 2 games in the Prem so far, against weak or middling teams. Is it so unreasonable to suggest that you and others hold back your Pogba-worshipping horses until the season has unfolded a lot more? I don't think so.

Nor did Zidane, for example. It's kind of a pointless argument.

 

[roonster09]

I love how he keeps avoiding answering would Veratti get in Spurs XI.

And how his goals plus assists logic is idiotic when it comes to fullbacks and midfielders as it shows Herrera had better season than Dembele.

 

[Irrational.]

What's Dembele got to do with Alli?

This season will be a tough one for the self-styled "Dele", and there may be an element of second season syndrome that creeps in. He has a tremendous amount of potential, but also a whole lot of growing up to do.

 

[roonster09]

Darron Gibson had more potential than Xavi or showed more potential when both were 22. Gibson scored 2 goals and 2 assists in just 589 mins in league, Xavi scored 2 goals and 1 assist in 2500 mins in la liga.

Overall Gibson 7 (goals + assists) in 1100 mins, Xavi had same numbers but in 3700 mins.

Iniesta had 14 goals + assists but in 3700 mins, so Gibson showed more potential than Xavi and Iniesta.

 

[GlastonSpur]

I love how he keeps avoiding answering would Veratti get in Spurs XI.

I did - see post #636. And then ponder the wisdom of weighing in cluelessly.

 

[cyberman]

Macheda > Suarez

 

[GlastonSpur]

I quite clearly did. I just don't feel
the need to disparage Dele Alli. It's comparing apples and pears due to their respective roles but in my view Pogba definitely showed he was a more accomplished midfielder. I've yet to see Alli dominate and control a midfield in the manner a young Pogba did at Juventus. He was a midfield general. It's likely Alli will never be able to do this in the same manner because physically Pogba is a freak of nature. In terms of discipline and maturity in performance, it's not a contest, but Dele Alli should improve this aspect. From a technical perspective they're pretty evenly matched. Sublime players.

I see you ignored the rest of my post. Care to explain why you can speak with such conviction about players you haven't seen play, but then get your knickers in a twist when United fans pass comment on a player they've watched for about 7 years?

No, you didn't.

You ducked it by saying "Forcing your way into a midfield containing Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, and being every bit as good as them, and winning Serie A, is definitely a sterner challenge than getting into the Spurs midfield."

So I'll repeat the question, to which you only have to answer yes or no: Are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli? So, yes, or no?

 

[Ban]

I did - see post #636. And then ponder the wisdom of weighing in cluelessly.

Thats strange. After all he plays in an inferior league but he'd find a place in a mighty Spurs XI. Instead of whom if I might ask?

 

[GlastonSpur]

Thats strange. After all he plays in an inferior league but he'd find a place in a mighty Spurs XI. Instead of whom if I might ask?

Dier I would think.

 

[Kraftwerker]

No, you didn't.

You ducked it by saying "Forcing your way into a midfield containing Pirlo, Vidal and Marchisio, and being every bit as good as them, and winning Serie A, is definitely a sterner challenge than getting into the Spurs midfield."

So I'll repeat the question, to which you only have to answer yes or no: Are you seriously telling me that Pogba showed more whilst aged 19 - i.e. which mostly covers his first 6th months at Juve - than has Alli? So, yes, or no?

How did I duck the question? I quite clearly said he was a more accomplished midfielder. Are you struggling to read? And since turning 20, Dele Alli has regressed, whereas Pogba became better and better.

And I ask again, why do you think it's ok for you to comment on player you haven't watched playing but it's not ok for United fans to comment on players they've watched for 7 years?

You've embarrassed yourself far more than usual in this thread which is quite a feat given your history.

 

[do.ob]

This whole "showed more at age 19" idea is sooo fundamentally stupid. Every player develops at an individual pace. Someone can be a god at age 19 but then he fails to mature, while someone else needs a bit more time initially but then reaches a much higher ceiling.
There are literally countless examples of players who looked amazing as teenagers but then faded away.

 

[GlastonSpur]

How did I duck the question? I quite clearly said he was a more accomplished midfielder. Are you struggling to read? And since turning 20, Dele Alli has regressed, whereas Pogba became better and better.

And I ask again, why do you think it's ok for you to comment on player you haven't watched playing but it's not ok for United fans to comment on players they've watched for 7 years?

You've embarrassed yourself far more than usual in this thread which is quite a feat given your history.

I have watched Pogba play, but not when he was 19 and his first 6 months at Juve, as I've already said. But I don't need to have seen him during those 6 months to know that whatever he did it won't have outshone Alli's 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs, all but two of which (the 2 assists) were in the Prem .... which amounts to a goal or an assist in the Prem every 1.4 games.

I'm still waiting for a yes or no answer to my question, which you continue to avoid giving. I wonder why.

 

[Kraftwerker]

I have watched Pogba play, but not when he was 19 and his first 6 months at Juve, as I've already said. But I don't need to have seen him during those 6 months to know that whatever he did it won't have outshone Alli's 10 goals and 11 assists for Spurs, all but two of which (the 2 assists) were in the Prem .... which amounts to a goal or an assist in the Prem every 1.4 games.

I'm still waiting for a yes or no answer to my question, which you continue to avoid giving. I wonder why.

What part of me saying that Pogba was a more accomplished midfielder than Del Alli at similar ages in their career do you not understand as him being better?

If you can only compute yes or no responses then yes, but all I've tried to do is offer some context and reasoning, rather than having a narrow focus on two statistics or trying to dismiss the accomplishments of the other player which you have bizarrely tried to do with Pogba, despite never seeing him play.

Its cringeworthy to pass comment on players you haven't even seen play. And then criticise others for passing comment on players they've followed their entire career. Words fail me. Where is the logic there?

Spending your bank holiday weekend making a fool of yourself on a Man United forum is a fairly futile use of your life, no?

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'm still waiting for a yes or no answer to my question, which you continue to avoid giving. I wonder why.

Funny you say this even though you've conveniently ignored many other questions in here, including your previous contradictory comment I quoted about Martial and Kane.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

Dembele wasn't playing in CM in that game. He was fielded on the right side of the attacking three. So my post should have been amended to specify games in which Dembele started in CM.

Also it's absurd to say that the phrase "title winning form" can never be used unless the title is actually won.

Ha. Ok. So it's "all games that Dembele started, oh except for that one where he started as an attacking midfielder. I'm not counting that one because it goes against the bizarre criteria I am trying to prove."

I get you.

And I disagree. "Title winning form" becomes meaningless if it didn't result in actually winning the title. How can it be title winning form? Title challenging form, perhaps. But Spurs bottled it and came 3rd. Nobody associated with Spurs was in title winning form. If anyone has title winning form, it is Pogba, seeing as the Alli thread has become the Pogba vs Dembele and the skewed stats thread. He won 4 in a row as a key player in that side, and that doesn't need to be backed by some obtuse stat that conveniently greys out certain games/results.

It's like saying a player put in a match winning performance, but lost the game. There's a reason why that doesn't happen. Because it's dumb as feck.

 

[RedCurry]

We need to rename one of those Rashford threads to: 'Marcus Rashford is England's best young forward'

 

[Ban]

Just saw that title winning form part.
So much hypocrisy, double standards, delusion and skewed statistics in his posts.
He didnt watch Pogba at 19 but that doesnt stop him to compare him to Alli at 19....

 

[GlastonSpur]

Funny you say this even though you've conveniently ignored many other questions in here, including your previous contradictory comment I quoted about Martial and Kane.

Which questions? I get so many posts fired at me that's it's difficult to answer them all. If you care to repeat them I'll happily answer.