Declan Rice

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People keep mentioning foreign players that quite frankly aren't anything special or are very over priced, we need someone who knows the Premier league and won't take 1 or 2 years to settle in.
Fred took way too long and even now I'd trade him for a stick of gum and a lottery ticket.
Rice does everything Pogba and Bruno doesn't. Runs loads makes lots of tackles and protects the back 4.
 
For me this would feel like the Carrick signing - with a significant number of casual fans downplaying his expected contribution but I reckon he’d make a huge impact on our first XI.
 
Matthew84! said:
People keep mentioning foreign players that quite frankly aren't anything special or are very over priced, we need someone who knows the Premier league and won't take 1 or 2 years to settle in.
Fred took way too long and even now I'd trade him for a stick of gum and a lottery ticket.
Rice does everything Pogba and Bruno doesn't. Runs loads makes lots of tackles and protects the back 4.
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What Rice does, can be be purchased for far less if we broaden our horizons.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I honestly would just try test the West Ham waters with a Lingard + cash offer.
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This is where I’m at.

Wouldn’t touch him or even bother negotiating at 60/70m, but test their resilience with a lower offer and Lingard and see what they say.

Lingard offers more value to West Ham than any other team, and you know for a fact we’ll end up selling him for 10m otherwise. If that.
 
Jam said:
This is where I’m at.

Wouldn’t touch him or even bother negotiating at 60/70m, but test their resilience with a lower offer and Lingard and see what they say.

Lingard offers more value to West Ham than any other team, and you know for a fact we’ll end up selling him for 10m otherwise. If that.
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The only problem there is I've read the wages being reported that Lingard wants is £175,000 per week.
 
Jam said:
This is where I’m at.

Wouldn’t touch him or even bother negotiating at 60/70m, but test their resilience with a lower offer and Lingard and see what they say.

Lingard offers more value to West Ham than any other team, and you know for a fact we’ll end up selling him for 10m otherwise. If that.
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lingarz + money makes far too much sense for every party involved. It seems far too obvious…
 
Adnan said:
What Rice does, can be be purchased for far less if we broaden our horizons.
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I’m not a massive Rice lover, but who else offers his skillset proven in the Premier League and already has on field relationships with team mates?

He isn’t world class, he doesn’t offer “a lot”, but what he does offer is effective and is what we need.

I’m at the point where I’d get the job done than take the risk on an import for 15-20m less and them ending up not adjusting to the league or fitting in.

Like my previous post said, I wouldn’t entertain it at 60m+. See where a lower bid and Lingard gets us.
 
Surprised people rate that performance. England had no midfield for most of his time on the field. Everything was going wide. Stones and Maguire looked more comfortable on the ball than him or Phillips. Thought phillips was much weaker and was pretty invisible but Rice wasn't much better imo. Thought it was a nothing performance.
 
Jam said:
I’m not a massive Rice lover, but who else offers his skillset proven in the Premier League and already has on field relationships with team mates?

He isn’t world class, he doesn’t offer “a lot”, but what he does offer is effective and is what we need.

I’m at the point where I’d get the job done than take the risk on an import for 15-20m less and them ending up not adjusting to the league or fitting in.

Like my previous post said, I wouldn’t entertain it at 60m+. See where a lower bid and Lingard gets us.
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He hasn't proven alot in the prem IMO. He plays for a team that defends with more players than they attack with. The same applies with England. Kalvin Phillips plays for a coach who sacrifices defensive stability, which really tests the ability of the two CBs and the most defensive minded midfielder, who are there to provide defensive balance.
 
He'd instantly walk into our team and most likely be a mainstay until his legs run out. West Ham are going to want an absolute packet for him though, so I think that rules us out given we've just signed Sancho for big money. People say there are alternatives out there, but who? The only realistic option from the PL is Bissouma, and I don't see anyone like Fabinho at Monaco that really sticks out. My knowledge of football outside England is pants though.
 
He's so good, man. Oh my days. Never loses the ball, intercepts. fecking love him. To nice a person to play for Chelsea. Got to bring him home to Old Trafford.
 
caid said:
Surprised people rate that performance. England had no midfield for most of his time on the field. Everything was going wide. Stones and Maguire looked more comfortable on the ball than him or Phillips. Thought phillips was much weaker and was pretty invisible but Rice wasn't much better imo. Thought it was a nothing performance.
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Agreed.

This was like United when we give the midfield's responsibility to Maguire. He and Stones made over 90 passes each, Philips and Rice combined made 59. People here are easily pleased.
 
Adnan said:
He hasn't proven alot in the prem IMO. He plays for a team that defends with more players than they attack with. The same applies with England. Kalvin Phillips plays for a coach who sacrifices defensive stability, which really tests the ability of the two CBs and the most defensive minded midfielder, who are there to provide defensive balance.
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But it’s contextual; at West Ham he’s dealing with more attacks whereas at United we’d generally be facing low blocks and he’d have less to do. Our issue is when he get caught on the break the likes of McTominay and Fred could be out of position, and aren’t great at defending 1v1 or anticipating player movements.

Rice enables us to be a bit more confident that if we lose the ball there’s a man in the middle of the park who is watching out for that scenario and will recycle possession forwards.

He hasn’t proven “a lot” but he has proven the above ability which is what we’re screaming out for. Philips I think is a bit more defensively lapse even if he offers more offensive dynamism which isn’t what we need. Watching Bruno against Philips has hurt my perception of him, because he dragged him out of position constantly and was the biggest factor in our win against Leeds; Bruno turned Philips into a clown with his off the ball play.

Overall Philips is probably the better player but Rice is far more of what we need.
 
Jam said:
But it’s contextual; at West Ham he’s dealing with more attacks whereas at United we’d generally be facing low blocks and he’d have less to do. Our issue is when he get caught on the break the likes of McTominay and Fred could be out of position, and aren’t great at defending 1v1 or anticipating player movements.

Rice enables us to be a bit more confident that if we lose the ball there’s a man in the middle of the park who is watching out for that scenario and will recycle possession forwards.

He hasn’t proven “a lot” but he has proven the above ability which is what we’re screaming out for. Philips I think is a bit more defensively lapse even if he offers more offensive dynamism which isn’t what we need. Watching Bruno against Philips has hurt my perception of him, because he dragged him out of position constantly and was the biggest factor in our win against Leeds; Bruno turned Philips into a clown with his off the ball play.

Overall Philips is probably the better player but Rice is far more of what we need.
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If I'm not mistaken, you're saying he will have less defending to do at United due to facing low blocks? And if that is the case, then we as a team will have much more of the ball, which makes me come to the conclusion that we need someone in a deeper role who is very good on the ball at spreading play/breaking lines which will benefit us even more IMO.

I would rather see a McFred-Locatelli partnership rather than a McFred-Rice one. I also don't think we're gonna sign Locatelli, but that's the type of player we need as things stand, if we're to become a more fluid team going forward.
 
Adnan said:
If I'm not mistaken, you're saying he will have less defending to do at United due to facing low blocks? And if that is the case, then we as a team will have much more of the ball, which makes me come to the conclusion that we need someone in a deeper role who is very good on the ball at spreading play/breaking lines which will benefit us even more IMO.

I would rather see a McFred-Locatelli partnership rather than a McFred-Rice one. I also don't think we're gonna sign Locatelli, but that's the type of player we need as things stand, if we're to become a more fluid team going forward.
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I think the same but even if we go the other way and get someone more focused on just defending theres a minimum level they need to contribute when we have the ball. Rice is well below that level in my view.
 
Blood Mage said:
He's probably the best DM we could get right now
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lemmiwink said:
He is basically a Keane-regen if we get him early. Will be immense for us.
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I think a lot of people under rate RIce, but this is a bit far.

Rice may be the best in terms of already knowing a lot of the players from England and having premiership experience and being English so knowing te culture. He is also very young and has improved each season too...........but that comes at a price due to permiership prices and we are talking possibly North of £80m for West Ham to sell him.

I have little doubt also he would be a very good player for us, but for £80m when we have already spent the SAncho fee and maybe another £40-50m on Varane, I cant see us spending another £80/90m on Rice and I think there are a huge list of quality central midfielders around at the moment and several of them would be around half the same fee and thats the telling factor I feel as he is just too expensive and though a good player that is improving every season to become an excellent one in time, he isnt godo enough to reach the levels of Keane by a long shot
 
No way is he worth the fees you guys are throwing around. As someone said, England defenders look better 'footballers' than their midfielders. No thanks.
 
It’s a very hard player to see what he does or recognize the talents - but once you see it you do really enjoy his attributes and what he brings to a team.

It’s a little bit eye catching too how different a team plays when he is not in that team anymore or has been subbed off.
 
He is very good player, breaks up attack well and also comfortable on the ball. He will cost way too much for what he offers, hopefully we can do Lingard + cash deal for him.
 
Bebestation said:
It’s a very hard player to see what he does or recognize the talents - but once you see it you do really enjoy his attributes and what he brings to a team.

It’s a little bit eye catching too how different a team plays when he is not in that team anymore or has been subbed off.
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Silent domination ?
 
Escobar said:
Imo there is no prime Matic around and he is one of the better options
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Yup, you may well be right and I do not know of such a player (who's available) either.

His cost is my major concern really. Yes he's also a bit limited in what he offers but perhaps he can work on that as he's only 22.
 
If he had to come here, I’m hoping he’d benefit from instruction from Carrick too. Just saying the player we get in won’t be the final product.
 
Knightmare7 said:
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I presume you meant to send this to yourself - I do notice this is a Tory government answer: ie not one at all
 
Ish said:
i never understand this question. Unless we have a bottomless pit of money, surely what we spend on each transfer, matters in terms of budgeting?
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But that's the club's business. It's not as if it affects you or us. If the club says a price is too high and pull out that's fine but if we want/need a player we have to pay the asking price (or close to it). That doesn't cost us anything. If you say, you don't think someone is worth the money, fine, but don't say "I" don't want to pay that because you aren't
 
Adnan said:
If I'm not mistaken, you're saying he will have less defending to do at United due to facing low blocks? And if that is the case, then we as a team will have much more of the ball, which makes me come to the conclusion that we need someone in a deeper role who is very good on the ball at spreading play/breaking lines which will benefit us even more IMO.

I would rather see a McFred-Locatelli partnership rather than a McFred-Rice one. I also don't think we're gonna sign Locatelli, but that's the type of player we need as things stand, if we're to become a more fluid team going forward.
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I agree with you completely on the type of midfielder we need. We need a passer more than anything.
 
hobbers said:
Because the club doesn't have unlimited money to spend on transfers?
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and that affects you how? We have never had "unlimited" money but if we want (or need) a player, we have to pay the asking price (or close to it). You can say you don't think someone is worth the money but in the end, it isn't you paying. Or do you really think we are going to go bust? As Bobby Charlton once said: "If Manchester United go bust, we can all go home"
 
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