Declan Rice

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OrcaFat said:
Yes I really think Rice is the key to making England’s systems work as they are intended to by the coach.
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Rice is basically a water carrier in England's heavily defensive system, nothing more nothing less.
 
Knightmare7 said:
It’s not at all, and only someone willfully ignorant would think it was. It’s one of those rallying points dumb people use to feel smart.

Why does their money matter? Because there’s a budget. When you have a budget, you can only spend so much, right? So that means the more you spend on one player, the less you can spend on the second and third. See how that knock-on effect can make it so you can’t buy new players?
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Meet a lot of dumb people on your travels?
 
croadyman said:
Yeah surely Utd can see that we need someone who is able to pass from deep and break the lines rather than just a sitting DM
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I'm sure they can. But it isn't a necessity. If we spend on one We are better off getting someone who can support our second, deeper midfield playmaker. But even that person should be a miles better passer than any we have. Nothing in Rice's game shows he is better passer than any of our current crop to warrant breaking the bank
 
golden_blunder said:
Now out of those let’s compare apples with apples so rule out the dogs that chase cars so we’re looking at rice types
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Aranguiz and Kessie are the only chasers gatusso's style. The rest are either Kante, Matic and Carrick types. Rice is good it's true. But he is by no means operating in a role with a thin depth of quality at his level or above in the game. He simply isnt worth it at the price we'd be quoted.

Unless our board have the money to spend freely like when LVG first arrived. . Then they,'ll be no complaints from me.
In this era you need to be up there with or better than Busquets and Kante to have the bank broken for you I believe
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
EPL: Phillips, Douglas, Ndidi, Bissouma, Anguissa

Bundesliga: Zakaria, neuhaus, Delaney, witsel, Aranguiz, Grillitsch

French Ligue 1: camavinga, tchoumeni, Bruno guimaraes

Eredevesie: koopmeiners, gravenberch
Lisandro martinez

Serie A: De Roon, Brozovic, Locatelli, Kessie

Portugal : Palinha,

La Liga: Saul, Willy Carvalho, Aranbarri...


Etc
I'm sure there are more. I feel the screening role in football has depth in numbers in term of quality in this era. That is why spending 70 plus million on any bar perhaps Saul. Doesn't make much sense....
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Thanks for the response. Some great options there!
 
RedRonaldo said:
Rice is basically a water carrier in England's heavily defensive system, nothing more nothing less.
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But I like that. Simple and effective. We need that, we have enough creative players for next season. Now we need someone to clean up and cover ground
 
Escobar said:
But I like that. Simple and effective. We need that, we have enough creative players for next season. Now we need someone to clean up and cover ground
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But is that really worth it at 60+ million? He's not as good as a prime Matic, which is what we should be targeting at least
 
I very much doubt there's anything new to be said about Rice at this point.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Rice is basically a water carrier in England's heavily defensive system, nothing more nothing less.
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Yep. Ukraine are realising they can push up through the middle because Englands central passing is so one dimensional.
 
Rice was excellent tonight. First man to come off to rest and ensure no yellow. He is regarded as crucial to the England team.

After he came off, the shape and control was gone. England still better than Ukraine at that point but I didn’t like the midfield at all.
 
He works his socks off. An unspoilt player still. Reminds me of Hargeaves in the Euros where we went out to Portugal.

I respect that he's giving his all. Wouldn't mind us signing him and selling one of Fred or Matic.

Fernandes
Rice Pogba

That could seriously work.
 
He’d be an ideal signing. We could finally go 4-3-3, with Pogba and Fernandes in the middle rather than that god-awful double-pivot.
 
MDFC Manager said:
But is that really worth it at 60+ million? He's not as good as a prime Matic, which is what we should be targeting at least
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He's better than Matic was at 22. At 22 Matic played 2 games for Chelsea and was shipped out to Benfica.
 
Is it just me starting to change their view on him?

His defensive positioning is as good as it gets; he spends the whole game making small interceptions in and around the box and it’s easy underestimate how important that work is.

I’ve felt for a while that we need more of a player maker in midfield but I think Rice would go some way towards eradicating the flakiness we do often see in the team. Especially given that we seem to sorting things out going forward.
 
The more I watch him the more I think people are right that he's playing well within himself with his passing. Not to say he's going to be a Carrick at club level but there are times when he's very obviously making conscious decisions to play safe which just don't seem as likely in a West Ham shirt. In fact I remember a few raking passes against ourselves that aren't even entering into his thinking at the moment. All very much part of this methodical style of football Southgate is utilising.

I'm not sure what this means except to say it's not the best sample to judge on. Still not totally convinced he's the man to target right now but I think some allowance has to be made for his role in this England side.
 
I don't think his passing range or ability on the ball when pressed is good enough for what we need, not at the price mentioned.
 
Never seen much of Rice, especially at West Ham. Good DM. Love how he's constantly scanning the field to get a picture in his head, something Scholes and Fletcher used to do amongst others. I can see why we have an interest in him.
 
He’s just quality and is going to get better. He’s very young for a DM but plays with so much maturity already. I’d love to get him.
 
We could sell Donny, Lingard and James to cover his fee and we’d be much better off.
 
Looking at the way England attacked in the first half I think we can use that set up to allow a DM Pogba and Bruno to play without being open defensively. It will translate to something like this with us

Awb Varane Maguire
DM
Pogba
Sancho Bruno Rashford Shaw
Cavani​
 
He is not worth the fee West Ham will demand, but his reading of the game and postioning are quite special for his age.
 
Abraxas said:
The more I watch him the more I think people are right that he's playing well within himself with his passing.
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He’s averaging far less less key passes and crossfield passes per game than he did last season but his pass completion is 92% - 5% higher than normal. He’s definitely being instructed to keep it safe. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it - he’s the Harry Maguire for our midfield. Yes, he’s overpriced but he’s a leader, reliable, you’ll get 7/10 each week, he fits the culture and actually when you analyse what he does he’s rather fecking good. Absolute mainstay for whoever gets him for the next 8 years.

Oh and those comparing him unfavourably to Matic - at the same age he was being sold by Chelsea. I don’t think they’d be selling rice if he currently played for them. He’s 22 and year on year he’s improved. He’s not the finished article yet.
 
Mickeza said:
He’s averaging far less less key passes and crossfield passes per game than he did last season but his pass completion is 92% - 5% higher than normal. He’s definitely being instructed to keep it safe. I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it - he’s the Harry Maguire for our midfield. Yes, he’s overpriced but he’s a leader, reliable, you’ll get 7/10 each week, he fits the culture and actually when you analyse what he does he’s rather fecking good. Absolute mainstay for whoever gets him for the next 8 years.

Oh and those comparing him unfavourably to Matic - at the same age he was being sold by Chelsea. I don’t think they’d be selling rice if he currently played for them. He’s 22 and year on year he’s improved. He’s not the finished article yet.
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Interesting to see the stats back up the feeling. Quite convincingly so as well.

True, there are similarities to the Maguire one. I think everybody including ourselves knew we were getting somewhat shafted on price and that he was good but not quite that good, as arbitrary as these figures are. That was a heck of a lot of money.

But when you do look at the likelihood these players can fill a void for a long time, they understand the league, they are more likely to understand the club and the requirements, there are certain factors that make these signings very low risk and of course they're coming from well off clubs. Sometimes the premium is justifiable. Is it with Rice? Well, perhaps, if they've scouted this guy for years and think so, they're probably correct as he's being judged in our league.
 
Still not seeing anything to get excited about with him. I agree with @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber. The market is stacked with this type of player, so im not sure I see the need to splash out the kind of money it will take to get him.

Zakaria has impressed me as much and he'd probably be half the price.
 
Rice with Maguire and Varane behind him. That’s solid shit.
 
Bilbo said:
Still not seeing anything to get excited about with him. I agree with @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber. The market is stacked with this type of player, so im not sure I see the need to splash out the kind of money it will take to get him.

Zakaria has impressed me as much and he'd probably be half the price.
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The guy that could barely get a start in the Switzerland team?
 
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