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Declan Rice
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Doesn't seem capable of playing between the lines with any consistency. No wonder he's employed in more of a b2b role at Arsenal.
Isn’t a 6 in a million years
Better than McTominay ? 100m? That still have me laughing.
Haven't watched many Arsenal games this season but he has never impressed me.
Everything good he does is in the final 3rd, yet he is being told to never get that far up the pitch…
Awful management.
He doesn’t understand the strengths and weaknesses of his own players.
Awful management.
He doesn’t understand the strengths and weaknesses of his own players.
Put me in the same boat then, because I see him as a holding player that thinks he's better going forward than he is. His best work is on the edge of his own box.
Diabolical today though.
That’s the worst I’ve ever seen him play. Looked like he was on ket.
He's just not that good on the ball, he's a typical physical English player.
I actually think Southgate is throwing him under the bus tactically slightly, Rice isn't a forward passer who will break lines and he's had average at best midfielders next to him in Trent and Gallagher.
The team would have been better off taking another defensive orientated partner next to Rice and dropping the number 10.
It's not about it being defensive but rather a manager who is unable to field an attacking team because he doesn't have the intelligence to do so in actually executing the idea. It's very similar to Erik last season with the two advanced 8's.
Look at the differences between the Euro's in 2020 with that system, it wasn't scintillating football but it was a balanced structure, Trippier and Shaw inverted which meant there's always a side pass into the wide areas which as a build up mechanism suits Rice and overall this current England midfield.
The team would have been better off taking another defensive orientated partner next to Rice and dropping the number 10.
It's not about it being defensive but rather a manager who is unable to field an attacking team because he doesn't have the intelligence to do so in actually executing the idea. It's very similar to Erik last season with the two advanced 8's.
Look at the differences between the Euro's in 2020 with that system, it wasn't scintillating football but it was a balanced structure, Trippier and Shaw inverted which meant there's always a side pass into the wide areas which as a build up mechanism suits Rice and overall this current England midfield.
Defensively maybe, but I wouldn't trust him with the ball in his own third - especially receiving the ball on the turn.
If we are using another defensive mid (no idea who you are suggesting btw) then why the feck would we play rice?
Yea he's a defensive mctominay, and Bellingham is a much better attacking mctominay.
Terrible game, it happens. A great footballer. Hopefully rested the next game. That pitch was terrible
Please read what was posted, I'm not advocating putting another defensive midfielder in the current system, it needs to happen with the removal of Jude as a 10.
If you play a double pivot with three in the defense, the build up goes through the wide areas with the removal of the number 10.
Rice doesn't break lines with passes, he's not that profile of midfielder so how does the team progress the play from defense?
England have played the best tournament football under a 3-4-2-1. When there's four across the midfield like a flat 4-4-2 the majority of passes from either midfielder is to the side instead of through narrow zones.
What Southgate has done is assemble a squad that perhaps sides with fan sentiments, but has no plausibility with his own managerial capabilities.
He did one thing of note today. Winning the ball high up the pitch with elite pressing, which resulted in a chance for Kane.
Something he has done all year for Arsenal.
I agree he has very good positional disciple and sniffs out danger as a 6.
But he has 0 ability to play snappy forward passes through the lines. And is one of the main reasons our build up is so slow and ponderous.
Think of the defensive mid more as a holding midfielder. That could be in the pirlo mould with Rice playing a gattuso role next to him. Or Kante next to Matic.
I think Rice is playing that holding role because he's probably better than the alternatives. He's quite good at a lot of parts of the role but yes, moving the ball through the lines and passing from that position aren't in his locker and its making poor use of his stamina, ball carrying ability and physicality.
The only alternative to him is Wharton who would need a fair bit of support in the role that the likes of bellingham or trent just wouldn't offer. Or you put Mainoo next to Rice and he can do the passing part of the job for him.
It kind of costs you an attacking player but at least you'll start getting the ball to them which will go much further.
If his surname was Arroz or Reís he’d be worth 50 mill less and still play for West Ham.
In possession, he has some good qualities. Has a good shot, can ping a pass, and can carry the ball if he gets the space to start his run. However, he has a lot of faults, too. He can't turn under pressure, despite being a big guy he's not the best at shielding the ball, and his passing is limited. Not in terms of range as he can switch it to the other flank, but in terms of variety. I don't think he's the best at short, intricate passing, or those line-breaking passes Carrick used to do all day for example.
That's why it's baffling that we're not partnering him (& Bellingham) with one of Mainoo or Wharton who'd bring qualities to the midfield we're lacking, and who'd compliment eachother in general.
That's why it's baffling that we're not partnering him (& Bellingham) with one of Mainoo or Wharton who'd bring qualities to the midfield we're lacking, and who'd compliment eachother in general.
Absolutely awful player. I can't believe we had to tolerate Arsenal fans comparing this guy to Rodri.
In fairness he’s not awful, but he is a very limited footballer and shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as actual WC midfielders.
not a good day for him, he doesn’t look the same player without Soucek or Jorginho behind him.
He’s a good player just not exceptional. He’s also easy good enough to play 6 on the international stage which isn’t exactly that high a level compared to some of the teams he’d face in the PL or CL. Southgate is just feeding him to the wolves with the suicidal midfield infront of Rice.
I'm not sure if he's worth having. I said at the start of the tournament having rice + Bellingham is not a good idea. For central midfield play, neither offer enough.
He was rubbish but it would help if he wasn't playing next to Trent and had a competent manager. He's having to do two jobs at times because Trent just walks around the fecking pitch thinking he's boss.
You are correct. No leadership, no tactical awareness. Zero control in the midfield together with Arnold. It is different to play for Arsenal or Real Madrid where you can take credit from other players performences, When you need to show what you can, it just becomes average. Both are pretty young so there is hope to become players that equals their reputation. Right now, they have so much to learn and do.
Over 100m? Just ridiculous.
On the ball he can really drive with the ball and he has a decent shot. I don’t think he’s good at passing at all. Games like these where there’s an onus on him to do so, he looks shite. I’ve never been convinced by him for the NT.
It's hilarious that Arsenal wanked away 100m on him and that he's a nailed on starter for England.
I didn't watch the match, but what's so crazy that when you put a player surrounded by a weak midfield and managed by a shit manager he doesn't play well?
I'm more than happy with his arsenal performances, money well spent.
I'm more than happy with his arsenal performances, money well spent.
But arsenal's midfield was their weakest area.
Bad game from him but I think the midfield issue is more about who's playing next to him tbh.
I have no idea how you measure that but I thought our midfield was great.
I doubt any Arsenal fans complain about the fee by now. He has been very good for Arsenal. For England, no comment.
Because people and media hype up bullshit. We (United) do it plenty.
I don't watch english media and I've watched every single minute of arsenal this season. Money well spent.
He plays a role for a team who can carry him for everything else. He offers little, but what he does offer he's good at.
We'll have to disagree then.
Has he? My brother is an Arsenal fan and he's not sold on Rice. Complained about him a good bit last sesson. The media have hyped him up to ludicrous levels.
He didn’t play well today. But, he’s the least of our issues. He does absolutely fine as a number 6 usually