If Bayern would pay 50 million for Casemiro and we could get West Ham to accept 80 million plus Maguire, I'd be in favour of that.
Declan Rice
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He's the Maguire MK2, just in midfield.
Stay clear.
One good game against us has you all fooled.
Stay clear.
One good game against us has you all fooled.
If a club was willing to pay that he wouldn’t still be at West Ham. The only reason he’s still there is because no club thinks he’s worth West Ham’s valuation. If he goes this summer, he won’t go for more than £70-80m.
Just seen it. Or 100m + player to a CL team.
Put some respect to the name, he is an England international.
He needs to force a move and not make the same mistakes Kane did.
He's a fantastic player but not sure what we need. We need more technical players - especially in central midfield. I have never seen a team worse at passing the ball than Manchester United 2019-2023.
Rice is pretty good at passing. Not as good as Caicedo but then Rice is more well rounded than him.
His passing is underrated, people talk like he’s a proper clunker with no technical ability.
Honestly, you described it perfectly, he does appear a bit clunky in terms of running style, and I think a lot take their impressions from that, but he's actually more technical than folk give him credit for.
The best opinions are those that watch him every week, and West Ham fans rate him highly, as do folk in the game, and that's not talking about media hype.
Good player, not for 120m
Do you even watch him play regularly? He's come on in leaps and bounds. He's not the profile we need but he has evolved into a fantastic player and he's going to be a great servant at whichever top club he moves to.
What I like about him is that he has the skillset to he really good as an 8, but could also work great as a 6. It would give us a partner to Casemiro, but also an option and a replacement long term. In other words, Rice would be very, very good both with Casemiro and Eriksen. I think he would improve both of them with his dynamism.
Not regularly, no. But i've seen enough.
The point i was making with comparing him to Maguire is that, people see an English player, their panties get all wet.
While in reality, he's the english version of Scott Mctominay.
Large physical player capable of a good game here and there.
Certainly not the profile we need.
What we need is a small technical player, a metronome. Someone to control the tempo of the game. We need to control games from start to finish. Pace ourselves.
A rope-a-dope style, with us not being the dope time and time again.
And the player to do that is certainly not Declan Rice.
He was very impressive on Sunday. Looked quick too. Didn’t realise he had pace. If the price is right, wouldn’t be the worst player we could sign.
When do clubs exchange players? I cannot remember the last time it happened.
I'd argue we actually don't need any more small players, players also don't have to be small to be technical or control the tempo of a game.
Also whilst I do not believe Rice is all we need, we could do with his type of player as cover for/ to compliment Casemiro.
The main issue I have with Rice is his price tag, he is miles better than Scott McTominay too, poor comparison.
He's had a poor season, West Ham have one of the lowest possessions over the season in the league. Brighton have one of the highest but typical British football thinking goes for the physical, bullish, apparently leader like player rather than the ones playing better football.
Good player but there are many cheaper, better alternatives out there and we have FFP to think about.
I know what you mean, but sometimes I wonder if it's the other way round these days. Teams drawn to technical players in system teams that can't replicate that level in different environments. Dortmund being the obvious example (Sancho etc), but maybe Brighton being the English equivalent (Cucurella, Bissouma).
I think Rice will be good wherever he goes.
United need a ball carrying midfielder he is right up there with the very best at doing this more importantly he has the right attitude which is more than i can say for the current crop
80m plus Mctomminy
In my 30 years of watching football, i've rarely seen a midfield player over 1.80 who has the ability to control games and tempo.
You know who springs to mind, the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Scholes, Modrić, Pirlo, David Silva, etc....
And no, Rice isn't the next Zidane so you can cross that shit over.
I definitely think that for a long time our football has not suited technical players, and we waste a ton of money because we seem to think just buying players is the solution.
Other teams seem to adopt new systems really well.
I never said Rice can control games by the way. We don't only need a player to control games but we also need to stop getting run over in the midfield without the ball.
However, when I said we don't need any more small players, I'm talking about the composition of our squad (defending set pieces etc) we actually need to add height, doesn't mean it has to be in midfield, but we do need to add height.
For not so small players helping his team control tempo, look no further than Busquets and Rodri, you need more than one player to dictate tempo anyway.
FDJ also isn't small
That is fair enough, I do not disagree, but all I argue about all of this is is Rice worth the money for that role? Are there not alternatives that are better options?
We need several new players and we will have a budget.
I am sometimes accused of being Anglophobe simply because I find it silly spending 80m on a championship level CB whose only redeeming quality is being English. However I would want Declan Rice and here is the reasons why
a- Rice tops the league in terms of interceptions and is second in terms of distance covered. That's what a DM does
b- He is a leader. At 24 he's already captain of West Ham
c- He has 1 contract left on his contract
d- He is still 24 years old so the best years are ahead of him
e- At 6ft1 he's got the frame to play in that role and had proven that he is not afraid in getting stuck in the most physical position into the most physical league in Europe
f- his accurate passes per 90 (49), trial behind the likes of Rodri but is very close to that of Tielemans (50.1) and MacAllister (49.6)
Casemiro won't last forever. Legs are the first to go and the way he approach football, it will be a gruesome end of career with many many yellow and red cards. We need someone to step in first as cover/competition and then as successor.
a- Rice tops the league in terms of interceptions and is second in terms of distance covered. That's what a DM does
b- He is a leader. At 24 he's already captain of West Ham
c- He has 1 contract left on his contract
d- He is still 24 years old so the best years are ahead of him
e- At 6ft1 he's got the frame to play in that role and had proven that he is not afraid in getting stuck in the most physical position into the most physical league in Europe
f- his accurate passes per 90 (49), trial behind the likes of Rodri but is very close to that of Tielemans (50.1) and MacAllister (49.6)
Casemiro won't last forever. Legs are the first to go and the way he approach football, it will be a gruesome end of career with many many yellow and red cards. We need someone to step in first as cover/competition and then as successor.
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I did say in my previous post that the issue with Rice is his cost
He'll end up at Chelsea or Arsenal I reckon.
West ham has option to extend his contract by another year so he won't be coming on cut price deal .
And We aren't exactly City vying for Biggest prizes every season along with offering best wages , player of Rice calibre who would cost fortune isn't coming here for cover or competition.
That makes things more complicated but not by much. It wouldn't be very wise for West Ham to keep an unhappy player especially since the mood of one of their top players might be the difference between staying in the EPL or ending in the Championship. We should consider putting Maguire or McT in the deal. Not as a direct swap + fee (those rarely work) but maybe a promise that we won't ask too much for the fee and might even subsidize part of Maguire's salary
This is has got to be a troll post. Rice and McTominay are nothing alike in terms of style of play. Their similarities end at being big and British, but that's about it. McT can't play deep and is at his best bursting into the box and he's good at carrying the ball.
Rice is great at receiving the ball under pressure and defensively his positioning is miles better than McT. I agree that we don't need Rice since we spent all that money on Casemiro, but he's a fantastic player and you'll see it over the coming years.
If Declan Rice was called Diego Rico from portugal and putting in the kind of performances he's delivered over the years, we'd all be screaming to sign him
Yeah, but then he'd cost like £40m.
For 100m?
His price tag would also be half.
United need a ball carrying midfielder he is right up there with the very best at doing this more importantly he has the right attitude which is more than i can say for the current crop
120 million for the blandest option on the dinner plate! 
We just spent 70 million on a 30 year old. Rice is 24 years old in his prime. Enzo Fernandez just went to chelsea for 100 million and was coming from a weaker league. People are going nuts over Moises Caicedo, who's performance against us wasn't any better than Rice's domination on sunday and no one would have any qualms if the club forked out 80 million on him, because he's got an exotic name which proves my point
Wanting him as an alternative to Casemiro I could understand, even though he obviously wouldn't come here to play that role nor would we pay the money for him to do so.
But the people who think he's what we need alongside Casemiro are actually insane. I don't know how you can look at a midfield that is screaming out for an upgrade in technical ability, passing ability and press resistance, then think "Declan Rice is the guy".
Some of you would happily cheer us on signing a player for massive money who would still leave us wondering why we aren't able to play possession football as well as other sides. Just because a player is good (which Rice is) doesn't mean we should have any interest whatsoever in him for our team. Thankfully we haven't actually been linked with him any time recently.
In terms of what we actually need, the links to FDJ should give you a signpost. As should a look at Casemiro's previous successful midfield partners, Modric and Kroos.
But the people who think he's what we need alongside Casemiro are actually insane. I don't know how you can look at a midfield that is screaming out for an upgrade in technical ability, passing ability and press resistance, then think "Declan Rice is the guy".
Some of you would happily cheer us on signing a player for massive money who would still leave us wondering why we aren't able to play possession football as well as other sides. Just because a player is good (which Rice is) doesn't mean we should have any interest whatsoever in him for our team. Thankfully we haven't actually been linked with him any time recently.
In terms of what we actually need, the links to FDJ should give you a signpost. As should a look at Casemiro's previous successful midfield partners, Modric and Kroos.
His fans need to stop deceiving themselves he has the skill set of an 8. Even for England its Phillips who takes up the 8 like role in their double pivot. Rice is a pure 6. Just like a Casemiro. Rice as a purchase only makes sense if you are upgrading the number 8 positions as well. (Namely Fred and Mctominay)
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