Decades Draft Tournament : AldoRaine18 vs Brwned

Who will win based on all the players at their peak?

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Spoony said:
Can one of you buggers give me the list of strikers you chose from?
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There's no list. The initial draft is 12 picks, two per decade, covering 30s-80s. Any striker from any of those decades could have been picked. Brwned had Hugo Sanchez (50s) but sent him to the bench for Villa (80s) in order to swap Falcao (50s) for Yaya Toure (80s).

We operate within that constraint of no more than two players per decade and that shapes a lot of the decision-making.
 
antohan said:
It's probably a better bet to keep things tight there than what help he may give Best who doesn't really need a 2 v 1 to beat a fullback.
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Agree with this, you don't need Brehme continually attacking with Best vs Zambrotta.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
That was exactly what I meant, and everyone here saw it except the ones who chose not to.
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TBH, you two got so irrational at one point I started ignoring your posts. So much crap on Ballon d'Or and such shit... It really is a sad couple of pages that :(

I agree Brwned is yet to comment on how he will handle Cruyff as a roaming forward rather than dropping into midfield.
 
I actually came in here to get out of the madness of WW only to find the discussions on here even more bizarre :wenger:
 
antohan said:
TBH, you two got so irrational at one point I started ignoring your posts. So much crap on Ballon d'Or and such shit... It really is a sad couple of pages that :(

I agree Brwned is yet to comment on how he will handle Cruyff as a roaming forward rather than dropping into midfield.
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He won't be commenting, seeing he has taken personal offense from a fecking draft game.

I apologize for any offense, I got carried away. Game's dead as far as I am concerned.
 
antohan said:
There's no list. The initial draft is 12 picks, two per decade, covering 30s-80s. Any striker from any of those decades could have been picked. Brwned had Hugo Sanchez (50s) but sent him to the bench for Villa (80s) in order to swap Falcao (50s) for Yaya Toure (80s).

We operate within that constraint of no more than two players per decade and that shapes a lot of the decision-making.
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I take it that means decade of birth?
 
What's everyone going on about, I thought it was a pretty good, active match thread, with two willing participants who were giving as good as each other, where's the problem? Was a little bit frantic admittedly but I thought it was all in good spirits. I probably wouldn't have been able to keep up with the discussions had it been my game but between Aldo and Brwned I thought they were in their element!
 
Fergus' son said:
What's everyone going on about, I thought it was a pretty good, active match thread, with two willing participants who were giving as good as each other, where's the problem? Was a little bit frantic admittedly but I thought it was all in good spirits.
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So did I but the last page has left a right bad taste.
 
Fergus' son said:
What's everyone going on about, I thought it was a pretty good, active match thread, with two willing participants who were giving as good as each other, where's the problem? Was a little bit frantic admittedly but I thought it was all in good spirits. I probably wouldn't have been able to keep up with the discussions had it been my game but between Aldo and Brwned I thought they were in their element!
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I guess we haven't had one of those in a while, at least not one without me in it :lol: I would agree it's a welcome change to see both managers engaged finally (Cutch vs. Gio was probably the best so far in that regard). There were some points when both managers were clearly saying things they didn't believe themselves though or resorting to ludicrous argumentation, so the quality at that point starts being questionable.

It seems Brwned has put Aldo on ignore or something, which is a bit weird.
 
Yeah after giving you lectures of not taking a game personally. Was all ears when he was trailing, the minute I threw something, he decides to take off.

Sucks that I wasted all that time to reach this point.
 
Lads, I'm on my phone here out having a few drinks as the sun sets while on holiday. Taking the game personally? Give me a break. I told Aldo I was busy on holiday already and I've wasted enough time on this already! Put him on ignore...seriously you live in your own world.

Camacho's man-marking Cruyff, Brehme's on the left now - there, happy?
 
Just to make it straight, the other manager has gone AWOL halfway through the game, choosing not to respond the change I've made. In a real scenario that counts for a forfeit.

In case you are still looking to vote it is obvious which team has any chance to win from here on.

Feels a bit lame talking to yourself doesn't it!
 
You two really need to cool down.

Enjoy your drinks Brwned and come back when you are ready for more blood pressure hikes :p
 
Brwned said:
Lads, I'm on my phone here out having a few drinks as the sun sets while on holiday. Taking the game personally? Give me a break. I told Aldo I was busy on holiday already and I've wasted enough time on this already! Put him on ignore...seriously you live in your own world.

Camacho's man-marking Cruyff, Brehme's on the left now - there, happy?
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Stop throwing your toys out of the pram ffs. I tried to take the discussion back to the game after it went off context and all I had was "It's not fun for me anymore I won't carry on the to and fro" while you keep replying to others. Basic respect man, didn't expect this to be very honest. That too for a game.

I'm not keen on discussing anything either, but the game won't stop because "it's not fun for you anymore" and all I needed was a response for a change made relevant to the game. You wanna make another issue in this draft, keep going.
 
Like I said, mental!

I agree with kps88 on the previous page, nothing's changed. Adios amigos.
 
:lol: You'll need a player manager.

These arguments barely matter, my guess is Caftards just look at the formations graphic and then vote.
 
antohan said:
I guess we haven't had one of those in a while, at least not one without me in it :lol: I would agree it's a welcome change to see both managers engaged finally (Cutch vs. Gio was probably the best so far in that regard). There were some points when both managers were clearly saying things they didn't believe themselves though or resorting to ludicrous argumentation, so the quality at that point starts being questionable.

It seems Brwned has put Aldo on ignore or something, which is a bit weird.
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True, I doubt he has put him on ignore though, probably just gone out for a bit!

Difficult game to call this, I'm sure you agree? Can't call it, would like Sanchez to be playing for Brwned and would like Aldo to have more of a threat from his full backs. Which do you think is the bigger issue of those?
 
Shit, missed loads of posts in between!

All the arguing has left you guys neck and neck anyway so I wouldn't take it too seriously! Very close game, two great teams!
 
Red-Indian said:
Wow it's dead level isn't it. I have no idea who to vote for. Leaning slightly towards Brwned but it's a hair's width of an edge.
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He's leading by 1 vote as I've voted for myself.

He hasn't answered ( I don't know his answer was serious or not) of me throwing Cruyff on his backline and basically doing what Messi did as a wide forward, having a run at goal and taking players out leaving his CMs unable to keep tabs on him and Muller 1v1 with Rio. I think that should be enough to put his defense in a disarray and I have brilliant scorers to pounce at anything.
 
Fergus' son said:
True, I doubt he has put him on ignore though, probably just gone out for a bit!

Difficult game to call this, I'm sure you agree? Can't call it, would like Sanchez to be playing for Brwned and would like Aldo to have more of a threat from his full backs. Which do you think is the bigger issue of those?
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Sanchez really. I may be severely underrating Villa but I just don't see him up to much. He ties down Aldo's best CB though, but that's not what you want strikers for.

I'm not too fussed about Aldo's fullbacks not doing much going forward. Cruyff pulling defenders out of position while Gullit and Zico try to carve an opening... with Muller in the box... Fullback play would be a bonus yes, adds another dimension, but there's some serious goal threat there.

I do rate Brwned's midfield very highly though and we can't forget that is what he sacrificed Sanchez for. They dominate the game if they want to, but if he is sitting back and employing Falcao and Edwards fully then he can keep Aldo to the one goal, which may be more important. Problem is, that's not what the tactics desciption indicates at all. I think Brwned has as much if not more chance to score sitting deep than taking the game to Aldo, so that is quite crucial IMO.
 
antohan said:
Sanchez really. I may be severely underrating Villa but I just don't see him up to much. He ties down Aldo's best CB though, but that's not what you want strikers for.

I'm not too fussed about Aldo's fullbacks not doing much going forward. Cruyff pulling defenders out of position while Gullit and Zico try to carve an opening... with Muller in the box... Fullback play would be a bonus yes, adds another dimension, but there's some serious goal threat there.

I do rate Brwned's midfield very highly though and we can't forget that is what he sacrificed Sanchez for. They dominate the game if they want to, but if he is sitting back and employing Falcao and Edwards fully then he can keep Aldo to the one goal, which may be more important. Problem is, that's not what the tactics desciption indicates at all. I think Brwned has as much if not more chance to score sitting deep than taking the game to Aldo, so that is quite crucial IMO.
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Do you think his CMs are suited to that job though? But seem to me more comfortable dictating the pitch from where they want to and usually both love a nice run forward. I don't see them as ones to shield the defense and mop up play throughout 90 minutes. Brwned himself wanted a more defensive partner to allow Big Dunc freedom and I doubt he's got one in Falcao. They'd be controlling the game from midfield yes although with Gullit helping out it is not that one sided, but as I said at the end of they a lot of his attacking play gets interrupted before it reaches any dangerous area, barring Bestie.

I think I am more suited to sitting back and winning the ball with two CMs who like sitting deep, and release the 4 pacy players up front. With Brehme and Camacho committed and at least one of the CMs on a run forward he can be in serious trouble. I have Alonso and Hansen to release counters while Zico will be threading balls to the front 3 all day.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Do you think his CMs are suited to that job though? But seem to me more comfortable dictating the pitch from where they want to and usually both love a nice run forward. I don't see them as ones to shield the defense and mop up play throughout 90 minutes. Brwned himself wanted a more defensive partner to allow Big Dunc freedom and I doubt he's got one in Falcao. They'd be controlling the game from midfield yes although with Gullit helping out it is not that one sided, but as I said at the end of they a lot of his attacking play gets interrupted before it reaches any dangerous area, barring Bestie.

I think I am more suited to sitting back and winning the ball with two CMs who like sitting deep, and release the 4 pacy players up front. With Brehme and Camacho committed and at least one of the CMs on a run forward he can be in serious trouble. I have Alonso and Hansen to release counters while Zico will be threading balls to the front 3 all day.
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Actually, the problem I see in you sitting deep takes us back to Fergus' fullbacks point. You end up reliant on Hansen from deep or Alonso, who is comfortable in the role but the least impressive of the midfielders. If you sit deep your transition relies too much on Alonso and without attacking fullbacks his targets for passes are more limited. I would be very worried about that. I'm assuming Gullit is actually dropping back to help with build up as it is. You certainly have a transition issue which is absent from Brwned's setup.
 
I am asking only one thing from Alonso and that is playing the ball out when they win it. I think he's on a good level just for that attribute. He may as well be out of his depth in winning the ball back, closing down and other jobs but this one I think I can count on him.

It is really just counting for two different phases with and without the ball. The pace in the front 4 means they can regain shape very quickly and by the time the ball is releases they would be in dangerous areas.

Anyway that is one route. Building up game through Zico and Gullit is still happening while Cruyff has room to drop deeper to collect the ball and go on a run, similar to Messi who often used to come at half way line for Barca to collect the ball and pass it from there.
 
That was the reason why I never mentioned that sitting back is my outright strategy, as I agree with you that I can risk getting the supply cut off doing that.

There's plenty of variety in there and depending on the situation the players will choose the best way to move forward. If Gullit is back in midfield helping out, there's not much point in lobbing it up, I'd rather have Zico and Gullit build it up from there. If Gullit is closer to goal, then the lob can be very useful and I believe Alonso can provide pin point accurate long balls, one attribute which I rate highly of his and it will be reaching Gullit when his marker is half a foot shorter. And anything that drops down will be pounced on by Muller 1v1 against Rio. Thirdly, I have the option of Zico threading an early though ball if the two opposition CMs are out of shape to Cruyff who can take on from there, however that would happen if and only if the CMs have committed themselves leaving good space for a hollywood pass. My best way would still be having Zico and Gullit reach a point from where Zico can safely play Cruyff in and have enough time to dart towards the edge of the box so that Cruyff can pass him back if needed.

These are the options I have in carrying out the transition.
 
The way I see it, without complicating it much both sides are creating plenty of chances and it will be an open game with defenders being dragged on both sides, and having a lot better goal threat should be enough for me to outscore him.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Except a midfielder has acquired the role of a forward.

I don't even know whether to take anything seriously or not!
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It seemed to me that Cruyff would be pushing forward alongside Muller in a support striker role and Zico would be dropping back to help with the midfield already, so I didn't see any need for a drastic change.

I'm giving Camacho the man-marking job anyway. He's nullified Gullit quite well so far and he's now sticking to Cruyff like glue. With Gullit dropping back into midfield so often the rest of the back five are feeling like they can deal with the remaining threat and hold out while Best works a bit of magic v Zambrotta and Brehme gets forward with Figo to overwhelm Thuram and they sneak a 2-1 win on the break.
 
AldoRaine18 said:
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram ffs. I tried to take the discussion back to the game after it went off context and all I had was "It's not fun for me anymore I won't carry on the to and fro" while you keep replying to others. Basic respect man, didn't expect this to be very honest. That too for a game.

I'm not keen on discussing anything either, but the game won't stop because "it's not fun for you anymore" and all I needed was a response for a change made relevant to the game. You wanna make another issue in this draft, keep going.
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I was following on from this!

AldoRaine18 said:
Sigh, I am tired now.


I am going to leave by saying, that I will outscore you, and a football match is won that way.
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I think we've discussed all we can, we're going round in circles and it's best to get back to talking a bit about some of the great players on show instead of talking about the weak points in the side which are immediately obvious to everyone. At least 3/4 of the voters aren't reading this shit so we might as well have a bit of fun, no?

Think about how little you've talked about Zico! He's a great, an instant vote-winner as a name, but he's the kind of player you should be waxing lyrical about all game. Too good.

I'm gonna take this time to post Villa's goal v Barca again. Come on, that's real class.

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Brwned said:
So you're leaving Zico-Gullit-Cruyff as part of the attack with just Alonso and Rijkaard getting behind the ball when I'm in possession, or can they magically be in two places at once? Zico's not racing away from Falcao and Edwards can keep tabs on Cruyff, but primarily it'll be Bergomi who's coming out to deal with Cruyff on the counter.

The idea that Figo is getting taken out of the game by Thuram is mental, I'm afraid, but I'm not going to bother arguing against it. He's this mythical defensive right back now. As for Vidic being able to deal with Best, well...
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How would Edwards be keeping tabs on Cruyff when Cruyff wasn't playing in midfield to begin with? Obviously he was playing in midfield putting pressure on the CMs and the creative force alongside Zico feeding Muller. That is why I subscribed to the theory of Edwards keeping tabs in whatever way he can.

It is completely different now, he's just concentrating on isolating your defenders by running directly at them and cannot be marked out.

Camacho marking Cruyff will lead to the same carnage as Zambrotta marking Best. Neither can be stopped. Now Best finds Villa and Cruyff finds Muller and we both know who is the winner there.

As for Brehme, if you try to overload the left flank Gullit would obviously track it back and not stay in midfield.

Gullit is my wild card while defending, whichever area you overload, he will help that out and has the adaptability, Stamina and energy to carry that job.
 
I've talked little about Zico as little as you have talked about Best. Naturally you don't need to explain what they are doing unless they are out of position. Muller is there to score goals, what will I achieve spamming the thread glorifying what everyone already knows?

I've talked a fair bit about Zico's role every since the change the made and his role became more precise.
 
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