Yeah I agree you need to study his role to understand what exactly he is doing. He is by no means a traditional wide player. But he is absolutely perfect to the job I have given him, you can give me the whole history of players and I would not choose anyone else for that job. And as I've described in the earlier post, it is important to differentiate between his roles with and without the ball.
Decades Draft Tournament : AldoRaine18 vs Brwned
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Yeah I agree you need to study his role to understand what exactly he is doing. He is by no means a traditional wide player. But he is absolutely perfect to the job I have given him, you can give me the whole history of players and I would not choose anyone else for that job. And as I've described in the earlier post, it is important to differentiate between his roles with and without the ball.
Thank God we are on the new page. The gifs had destroyed my internet. 
When facing a draw I always revisit set pieces. Aldo looks strongest both from corners and free kicks.
To add to all that, Brehme is going forward at the first opportunity, is he quick enough to catch up with Gullit when we recover the ball? I know very few defenders would be! Chances of Gullit being unmarked seem highly likely to me.
Aye, just posted the video on the last page. Cruyff drawing fouls on the left is just putting it on a piece of cake for Zico to wrap his right foot around it.
It is really a shame I don't have a great crosser in the team. With Gullit and Muller that could have easily settled it.
Right, I'm away out for a couple of hours. Looks like i'll be coming back to a gut-wrenching last 30 mins where there's no further chance of a comeback...
Neither side has an aerial threat of note from open play IMO. One because no one is doing much crossing, the other because there is no one who can realistically head it.
No. At first I could see Gullit getting some joy up agains whichever short arse left-back Brwned assigned to the task. However, on further consideration I don't see Aldo have the requisite width on the left to either:
(a) find a natural crossing position, given Cruyff moving infield to occupy the centre-halves, and Zambrotta not hugely suited to that kind of delivery. Near vertical balls from Alonso and Hansen won't provide the same threat.
(b) stretch the play so that a knock-down from Gullit is into some space, rather than a central clusterfeck or strammash as we say in Scotland.
Agreed with most of it Gio, except the knockdown won't be completely useless. I saw Zico plenty of times run towards a disarrayed defense with a lose ball which really had half a yard for him to strike and he did it. He is just a maniac when he starts running towards goal, it is like his life depends on getting the ball into the goal. Then you always have Muller who has fine clever movements that he uses to punish.
Apart from that, if the drop down goes straight to Muller, he can turn Rio, take a touch and shoot.
All in all a plan C or D probably but in a tight game these things usually work.
Then you always have Muller who has fine clever movements that he uses to punish. Apart from that, if the drop down goes straight to Muller, he can turn Rio, take a touch and shoot.
All in all a plan C or D probably but in a tight game these things usually work.
In fairness you are right that Zico and Muller are two of the very best at making something out of a central defensive strammash. I remember seeing Zico doing a lot of that in the hugely crowded Serie A defences of the 1980s.
A bit of both really. I'd say the side starts shaping up at the 1980 Mundialito (December 80-January 81). Cracking tourno in Montevideo to celebrate 50 years of the World Cup. All previous winners were invited but England turned it down so Netherlands were invited instead. Imagine that: the World Champions Argentina, the runners-up Netherlands, the European Champions Germany, the future World Champions Italy, the next to be best team to watch Brazil... and Uruguay who couldn't qualify to either '78 or '82. BEST TOURNO EVER! Loved it!!!!! The sides weren't understrength (Zico was injured though), there was no way club football could get ahead of such a mouthwatering prospect with a view to the 1982 WC. Those were the days!
Anyhow, I digress. Brazil started showing that sort of play then. They lacked Zico (injured) but the writing was on the wall. They thumped Germany 4-1 in the opener, then beat Argentina 2-1 and the "Centenariazo" was in the cards for the final. We somehow managed to fluke a 2-1 win again by frustrating the shit out of them. They could have done with keeping that in the back of their minds 18 months later TBH.
One thing that was very clear at the Mundialito though was that Netherlands were on the way down, Argentina not quite there, Germany seemed to have peaked early in 1980 and Brazil were primed to have an outstanding generation all peaking at the right time. You could sense that, no question about that. Strangely, the impression I got from Italy was they were the same boring shits who couldn't score for toffee. Can't remember if Rossi played but, in any case, f you look at Italy before and after that World Cup you have to conclude they were the jammiest champions ever: everything that could go their way did (not that they didn't work hard to make their own luck).
From then on Brazil cruised through the qualifiers and engaged in a heavy agenda, at times disrupted by Flamengo's successes as Junior, Leandro and Zico (probably more) were Flamengo players.
One key factor: Falcao wasn't there throughout as he was playing his football in Europe. You could see the makings of that side but they were more unbalanced. They distinctly lacked the discipline and organisational skills Falcao brought at the end to complete the puzzle. When you look at Brazil 82 you see a lot of fantasy but can still clearly recognise the square in midfield. Before Falcao you just couldn't. I can think of one game in particular where it was actually all quite bizarrely out of shape.
The other thing that dogged them throughout was the striker. They tried truckloads of them and nothing ever worked, and they never got it fixed unfortunately. I don't remember much now but I'm sure there was some political shit going on there as well with someone who seemed best suited but was out of bounds. Escapes me right now.
So yes, they were a joy to watch anyway for the 18 months leading up to the WC, but it only really came together when Falcao got called up after having been in the wilderness since pre-78 for being late for training. Some NT coaches were thick as pigshit really, what a waste that Falcao only played ~30 internationals and Schuster retired from international football aged 23.
That was for you Brwned, imagine why Damn, I did hope Zico would be available in the next turn
BTW, Aldo, may I clarify for you that Zico split set piece duties with Junior. Goes to show how underrated he probably is that Zico only took about half the kicks.
Damn, I did hope Zico would be available in the next turn BTW, Aldo, may I clarify for you that Zico split set piece duties with Junior. Goes to show how underrated he probably is that Zico only took about half the kicks.
That's a great story anto, loved reading it. Must have been great watching those players play so often, I just saw the WC games and felt delighted.
That was for you Brwned, imagine why
BTW, Aldo, may I clarify for you that Zico split set piece duties with Junior. Goes to show how underrated he probably is that Zico only took about half the kicks.
Indeed, Junior had a real cannon peg.
Aldo pulling away.. Seeing as my AM has voted for him I'm gonna even things up and keep this interesting
I find it really hard to seperate the two sides, Aldo has the far better goalscorers and Villa is a clear weakpoint for Brwned. On the other hand his midfield is much better, Falcao/Edwards/Charlton is so dominant, and with Rijkaard doing a job on Charlton I think Alonso is really exposed here.
Also I do think that Aldo has argued his points better than Brwned, though Brwned being on holiday probably plays a role there
I find it really hard to seperate the two sides, Aldo has the far better goalscorers and Villa is a clear weakpoint for Brwned. On the other hand his midfield is much better, Falcao/Edwards/Charlton is so dominant, and with Rijkaard doing a job on Charlton I think Alonso is really exposed here.
Also I do think that Aldo has argued his points better than Brwned, though Brwned being on holiday probably plays a role there
Who is your AM, Theon?
TITO
Aldo pulling away.. Seeing as my AM has voted for him I'm gonna even things up and keep this interesting
I find it really hard to seperate the two sides, Aldo has the far better goalscorers and Villa is a clear weakpoint for Brwned. On the other hand his midfield is much better, Falcao/Edwards/Charlton is so dominant, and with Rijkaard doing a job on Charlton I think Alonso is really exposed here.
I cannot argue against any of that much really. Love his midfield three, they will dominate yes. Which is why Gullit.
He would be just brilliant to help out a midfield in such a situation which he did so often. Milan's third midfielder was Ancelotti, nowhere near these two in terms of individual quality which is why Gullit is well accustomed to help out when he sees someone getting dominated, he'd just rush there before you know it and that is why every manager loves him. Rijkaard-Gullit proven chemistry is also helpful. After all that I won't have the upper hand but I think it can be curbed to a decent extent and I don't think it will be completely one sided.
I really love Gullit.
Oh.
Yup but to win the draft I do think he needs shifting at some point, may be wrong there but Gullit on the right isn't an all time draft winning standard for me. Fine for the quarters though.
I was having a look through your team and the best I think you would do is Gullit out for Garrincha, then that frees up a 60's to partner Rijkaard - Matthaus the pick of the bunch but you'll be hard pressed to get both of those. It's a shame Redondo is out because he would have been an even better fit
I think Vidic is fine and compliments Hansen, so the 80's player who needs shifting is Alonso out of the two
I was having a look through your team and the best I think you would do is Gullit out for Garrincha, then that frees up a 60's to partner Rijkaard - Matthaus the pick of the bunch but you'll be hard pressed to get both of those. It's a shame Redondo is out because he would have been an even better fit
I think Vidic is fine and compliments Hansen, so the 80's player who needs shifting is Alonso out of the two
Aye have all that in mind. Alonso was always there for one game. Cannot take him further.
Not starting to thinking that ahead though. The game's far from over and it all depends on the draw and who is available.
Just thought that might seem dodgy with the draws, but he has only been so since yesterday, he wasnt before
Yeah I asked him if he was assisting anyone before asking him to make the draw so no worries there.
Might need to find someone new to make the next draw though, shame, TITO was a great presenter.
Might need to find someone new to make the next draw though, shame, TITO was a great presenter.
So yes, they were a joy to watch anyway for the 18 months leading up to the WC, but it only really came together when Falcao got called up after having been in the wilderness since pre-78 for being late for training. Some NT coaches were thick as pigshit really, what a waste that Falcao only played ~30 internationals and Schuster retired from international football aged 23.
Good write-up Anto. On that note you're absolutely right, much like Souness only playing the final match for us in '78 when he ran the show against Holland, yet was curiously absent from our defeat to Peru and draw with Iran.
Damn, knew it'd go down to one vote. Come on lads, let's have some last minute drama and steal the draw. Edwards, Charlton and Best is enough for a last minute win - right?
Considering I came back from behind, it is my team that has been on the frontfoot in the second half.
The Cruyff switch proved to be a masterstroke by Aldo Michels and he took it upon himself to show who is the top dog in the game.
The Cruyff switch proved to be a masterstroke by Aldo Michels and he took it upon himself to show who is the top dog in the game.
Bestie doesn't seem to care anymore. He has done all he could, with little support from anyone else. He's given up and is off to a hot tub with the ladies.
You gotta feel sorry for Camacho.
I can believe you've coasted through this game with Alonso in there! Against that magical midfield... Oh Falcao why hath you forsaken me once more. Should've gone for Ronaldo.
The description of a left sided Messi really does justice to that video.
Coasted? I can still lose.
Camacho's been toast. Please take him off, for the sake of humanity.
That video also shows what I was going on about with "short crosses", or whatever you call them. Cruyff loves lobbing it up around defenders and Muller's and Gullit's aerial prowess would definitely help that.
The voting well has well and truly dried up I'm afraid! Well played Aldo, hasta la vista!
Watch that video if you haven't already and if you have time. You won't regret it.
You do realise its currently a draw?
Don't suppose anyone has thought of a course of action to take if games are drawn?
Why is it a draw? Both of us have voted.
Arrgghhh not this late please.
fecking hell, I'll go crazy if it goes the other way at this stage!
Gio again the cnut