Yeah they’re full of shit, same for Maguire. Just pay up or feck off.
We’re having the piss taken out of us in both directions.
Dean Henderson | Sold to Palace
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We’re having the piss taken out of us in both directions.
You can't allow him to go out on loan again and run his contract down to just having one year left on the deal otherwise we are fuked for a price
pay the 20m for him and just do the deal...they have the money with still being in the premier league
pay the 20m for him and just do the deal...they have the money with still being in the premier league
Will Hendo get any game time as you’ve gone to the expense of taking him on tour or is ETH just messing everyone about?
He’s just come back from a lengthy injury. Is he fully recovered and able to start the season? A loan looks the sensible move from our point of view. We got shafted by Bayern last season with the Omar Richards leg fracture they omitted to tell us about.If Forest only want to Loan him after having a year to look at him up close, it doesn't say much about Henderson.
But no doubt if/when United turn the move down he will use it as fuel to hate the club even more.
This should have been a straight forward transfer that all parties want to happen. We aren’t the ones dragging it out and playing games.
Sure, 15m loan fee with obligation to buy for 20.
Other than Hendo and his mum there are not that many that consider him to be PL quality. We certainly don't and his stats from last season make for fairly grim reading by comparison to the other starters in the PL. He is effectively DDG lite, he does come out for crosses a little more but he is less effective as a shot stopper and he cannot play as a sweeper keeper to save his life. I wouldn't give 20M for him, especially with his wage demands, and I doubt anyone else will either.
Someone will be happy to take him for 20M you claim, name one?
You came in at the last minute with a loan offer. Forest fans have a weird claim to Henderson as if he’s owed to you lot and it’s morbidly fascinating.
I remember Forest fans giving us shit for not selling him to you lot when David was rumoured to leave.
It’s like we’re living in bizarro world
United not wanting to sell until they had an no.1 signed...makes sense to me.
If Forest really want him, then coming in with another loan proposal is not going to make United bite their hands off.
IMO
Loan was rejected
There was no way Henderson was going to be the number 1 at Utd, everyone has known he has been in the shop window, and has been for probably a year now. To wait for a sale on him, which could take a month or two anyway, if it even happened, before getting the replacement for De Gea would be negligent. Going into the season with Henderson, whilst a decent goalkeeper, as the starting goalkeeper wouldn't really change the situation from last year a huge amount and would hinder the progression of the team.
Forest are exploring various options and maybe Henderson isn't their priority if they feel Navas is attainable.
How have we shot ourselves in the foot? We sell Henderson, now we don't have a league standard keeper, Inter Milan then push us for money. We can now say to Forest that the can take it or leave it if they want Henderson that badly. Otherwise a few million in wages won't break our bank, but will the fact they've pulled out of a deal cost them their position in the Premier League?
People thought the same about Ben Foster and he turned out alright, as will Henderson. He’s perfect for a team like Leicester.
I don't see the big problem with a loan with an obligation to buy. If that's the route to obtaining the best overall fee for him I wouldn't be too hesitant about that. What's the big issue? It would be nice to think we can just get it done and dusted and move him out permanently this summer but an obligation is the next best thing.
What we don't want is a straight forward loan.
What we don't want is a straight forward loan.
He may be perfect for Leicester but they won't be willing to match his salary. On the offchance that he would accept a steep paycut and dropping down to the Championship there is still the issue that they are pretty happy with Iversen who both statistically and to the naked eye was a better keeper than Hendo last season.
Realistically he is not going to be willing to move outside of the PL and I don't see too many clubs with a need for a GK, in fact there are clubs looking to sell better keepers than him with both Sanchez and Raya on the market. We might not like the offers from Forest but if we cannot negotiate a middle ground and yes that might be a loan with an obligation, we run the risk of him choosing to sit on the bench and collect his salary for another year.
Most consider him PL quality and easily too.
bc we need the money this window due to FFP and his fee woudl go along way to helping us bring in guys EtH wants right now
The entire idea behind a loan is to see if you want to buy. He was there a year, he done well before his injury. Pay up or feck off Forest.
I understand that but Dean is far from the only potential sale on our books. We've already made some and there are more that can be made.
You can only work with the interest that's there and I don't think he has been especially impressive at PL level. I'd sooner ensure a good fee with a loan/obligation than end up having to keep him.
Incredible that we're seeing posts here that suggest that Henderson was almost, if not moreso, shite that De Gea.
Poor distribution and a tendency to be beaten by shots from distance does not make for an attractive option for GK. 4 years ago when he was in his second stint at Sheffield United his valuation was up around 40M and bigger clubs were showing interest but as usual we missed the opportunity to sell a player at his peak.
Since that time he has spent two seasons with us, playing a dozen or so games during the COVID season and then making 0 league appearances the following year. That was followed by last season at Forest where he was statistically in the bottom half and even bottom quartile for keeping metrics amongst his PL peers. The league as a whole is moving toward the idea of the modern sweeper keeper after seeing the impact of Ederson and Allison and Dean is just not that type of player. As a more traditional old fashioned shot stopper his appeal is limited and his stock is low, that he comes with wages far in excess of most starting keepers in the league is another problem. If we get 20M for him in the end I am going to be stunned and with no rival bidders Forest can afford to lowball us.
Not every team in the PL wants a modern sweeper keeper as it would mean replacing the entire team of their spine also. Chelsea for one, offered a large amount of money for him not long ago. There are many clubs in the PL who see him as a future England regular.
Chelsea were quoted as being willing to go to 40M after his second season with Sheffield United. Sadly that was 3 seasons ago and since then he has played fewer than 40 PL games and his performance in those games has not been all that impressive.
I would love to get a big fee for Henderson but for example, Spurs wanted Raya who is a far better keeper and is on less than half the wages and yet they were only willing to offer Brentford 30M and walked away when that was turned down. I can't think of any club besides Forest that is going to be interested at this point and so even 20M would be beyond my wildest dreams for him right now. Forest overspent lst year and need to balance the books some this year and are having trouble of their own shifting their deadwood.
Serious question? Would you take say 12-14M in a permanent deal now with a decent sell on fee over a loan with an obligation for 20M next summer?
I’d take the highest offer possible for him, whether it be now or next summer as long as we get it, I don’t care. We need to stop giving players away to the lowest bidder.
We’ll sell other players so it’s not the end of the world FFP wise and worst case scenario is we could just put Sancho up for sale and take £30m for him if we’re desperate to balance the books.
I’m not really bothered where he goes and for how much just as long as he goes and it’s not doing another team a massive favour at our expense.
In the current market we can get £20m for him, there’s a bunch of teams that would love a signing like this. PL level with experience, ex United, potential England regular etc. There’s worse number 1’s currently in the PL.
I think part of the issue is Forest are paying pretty big wages and he wants to keep that which is why he’s holding out for that move.
Selling Sancho for £30m would be a loss on the books this year, compared to keeping him.
he's arguably right at the top of the list as one of our most sellable assets...we need to make the sale now not another loan even if it's an obligation to buy
The break even point on Sancho right now is 60M due to amoritization, selling him for any less would reduce what we have to spend rather than increase it.
Which teams would love to sign him for 20M? It is no secret he is available but nobody is bidding. Part of the problem is that this year whereas strikers are scarce and overvalued there is a surfeit of available keepers. Brentford want to sell Raya before his contract expires, Brighton are trying to sell Sanchez, both are far better players than Dean and yet the market is lukewarm at best. Forest have already sounded out Wolves about Jose Sa and with their financial difficulties it is believed Wolves would let him go for a fairly moderate fee and now there is talk Navas is open to a return so we really do not want to overplay our hand.
You reckon? I think that's only because Nottingham Forest have strong ties to the player and seem to represent the main interest. Our potential with him is pretty one dimensional which is probably why Forest are playing the game a little bit. They can afford to. I don't think he did himself much credit out on loan, his performances were pretty weak otherwise I think a youngish English keeper would attract a little more attention outside of the club he was loaned to. There was nothing there to get my attention as a PL club, statistically he was very poor as well and all clubs analyse this stuff.
I look at "assets" like McTominay and maybe Maguire if we come down to earth on what we can expect from him and I see very sellable players there. I see established internationals that multiple PL clubs and potentially clubs from abroad could find a home for. Whether they want to leave I don't know but I definitely think they are easier to attract multiple interested parties and a larger fee than Henderson simply because the performances have been there at some level in recent memory, whether it be for club or country.
Hope we can get £25 million + for him.
ahh....Scott i'll give you that one as we should be able to command a fee of 25m for him plus he's a homegrown which is an added bonus but again doesn't seem like anyone is that interested.
Maguire we have already seen that no one is really in the market for him and i don't think it's due to his fee but more b/c of the wages that he is on.
That's the biggest issue we have with guys who have been at the club multiple contracts...they have high wages that mid tier clubs can't pay.
Henderson is on a low weekly contract and he's affordable at 20m. Makes him a crown jewel so to speak.
His wage is high for a keeper. He's something like the 6th or 7th highest paid keeper in the league if I remember correctly.
Henderson is on 100K a week which makes him higher paid than most PL starters. Multiple clubs in the PL don't have a single player earning that much and the ones that do can afford far better keepers than Henderson. Our crown jewel is cubic zirconia.
prime Woodward managementI’d take 20+5 for him or 20 + sell on.
Just sell him. One more overrated player that somehow got better reputation than he actually deserves. Just like few other players that have been sold in Premier League this year.
He's a goalkeeper that needs to be constantly busy, basically a keeper that looks brilliant for shit teams.
Put him in a top side where he's less active and he looks lost.
There's this talk of leverage on Inter but it would always work both ways. If we had sold Henderson for a larger fee earlier, Inter could have held out for a bigger fee for Onana. Now that we have Onana we need to be rid of Henderson, so Forest will try to lowball us for Henderson.
We might need the money now to fund other transfers during this window.
We might need the money now to fund other transfers during this window.
100k a week by United standards is pauper money....and most middle tier clubs could pay 100k easily
I mean, none of that is true but ok if you want to believe that.
If he really wants to leave then he should lower his wage demands a bit (if thats is the issue why clubs are not making an offer). He can't have the wages he has here in most of the clubs, so he other accepts he is a backup here or he lowers his demands to facilitate a transfer.
Surely someone is willing to pay for him
If those stupid idiots had made sure to sell Henderson and buy Onana at the exact same time then we wouldn't have had either problem.
A smart club would have sold Fred, Maguire, Telles and Henderson and bought Kane, Mbappe and Onana for a net spend of 0 all on July 1st before any other clubs knew what happened.
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