You could hear the passion in his voice!! He is up for the fight... this is exactly the attitude all our players need!!
De Gea post-season interview: "Ones who want to stay, stay at the club. Ones that don't want to stay go out. You don't have to stay here."
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Whatever he say is the truth then make sure that it echo in the dressing room. Even if you have a new Roy Kean in the dressing, he wouldn't be brave enough to tell anyone off. We will have a new captain next season, I guess it could be Dave if Ronaldo isn't staying. I don't know why Maguire was made a captain, he doesn't have the ability, leadership or voice to be a captain. It will be embarrassing to be strip off the armband. Ole really screw up every aspect of football even appointing a captain.
De Gea is a pashun and desiyah merchant.
It’s interviews like this that are part of the problem. It’s the same as McT mouthing off about his colleagues when he’s played half well despite the fact he’s shit at times himself. DdG has had a decent season in a silo, was he making similar comments when he lost his form? When he wanted to go to Madrid?
I fully get the sentiment & agree but EtH’s biggest job is making the club a place where players want to be again. If I’m the next Sancho why other than money would I want to come here?
Not one player on that pitch today will be an integral player in the next successful United side, DdG included.
I fully get the sentiment & agree but EtH’s biggest job is making the club a place where players want to be again. If I’m the next Sancho why other than money would I want to come here?
Not one player on that pitch today will be an integral player in the next successful United side, DdG included.
I have watched it many times and he said it's a sports team. If anyone heard anything else then they need to have their hearing tested.
Thinking Rangnick is a failure doesnt mean people think the players are faultless
But what he said isn't wrong and what does his talent or the talent of the squad have to do with anything? He didn't get his move back to Spain, yes became overpaid, but rebounded back to a high level. Then had a poor year, came back early last summer to get it right, and his dedication and commitment to be better paid off. That's a player with pride, accountability, and the right attitude.
Meanwhile, let's compare it to a Lingard. Didnt get his wish to leave and put up a stink the entire season. Rashford was allowed to go to the England training camp and hangout with his English mates. Delayed surgery and even had 2nd thoughts about it, then was able to recover on his own timeline. Without any other known ailments, he's served up the shite he has this past season in addition to the lack of effort.
Do you see the difference?
Who are we talking about, who don’t make any effort?
Time for the actual cultural reset and not that façade we saw under Ole.
He’s also talking about “injured” players I assume.
In my post, I said I fully get the sentiment. I’m just a little tired of players covering their own arses when they’ve done ok, these comments are self serving.
I’m not sure where Lingard fits in this discussion. Nor Rashford. Did either play today or Brighton? DdGs comments today may have included those 2 but they sure wouldn’t have stopped at them alone so it’s time to stop lambasting a few you’ve chosen not to like & look at the bigger picture, we aren’t dealing with just a few bad apples.
Lingard has played how many times this season & is on his way out yet you’re upset about him rather than the McTs or the Maguires which is the exact misguided outrage that plagues this fanbase. Rashford scored 20 goals last season with said injury but you’d rather focus on his surgery than the fact Shaw has been terrible all season goes away with England scoring a goal then pulls a DdG & blames everyone else but himself when on international duty. Both Lingard & Rashford have been terrible this season but look at their games played & they’ve been peripheral, yet they’re the 2 players you want to compare DdG with. . .
DdG sulked after not getting the Madrid move by the way, he isn’t beyond reproach. He’s hardly got top clubs banging down his door any longer & collects a kings ransom, so yes I’m sure he’d like to stay.
I hope he’s our new captain under ETH, been one of our best players this season!
Well said. He's earned the right to call out some of the toxic wankers in the squad.
Dickheads slagging him for it are exactly the same kinda people that need to fk off. This site is full of them. Hang your head in shame. And feck off.
Dickheads slagging him for it are exactly the same kinda people that need to fk off. This site is full of them. Hang your head in shame. And feck off.
2 points above Westham. He has the right to call some players out because he's been one of the better performers and the most senior aside from Ronaldo.
I don't think he is good enough for a possession based system but he's the type of character we need in these hard times. We should look to keep him for at least 1 more season. Team's harmony is absolutely fecked right now
I think the fact that Ralf did not even put Henderson on the bench (same with Rashford and AWB) meant that he/they is/are part of the players that is causing disunity amongst the team and that we should definitely look to move them on next season
I think the fact that Ralf did not even put Henderson on the bench (same with Rashford and AWB) meant that he/they is/are part of the players that is causing disunity amongst the team and that we should definitely look to move them on next season
Certain posters like Tavern in the Town and Romufc were defending some of these players in the Erik Ten Hag thread. Unbelievable. When will fans wake up to realise most of these players ain't that good or need to go.
From a player’s point of view that’s exactly the kind of player I want.
I'm glad De Gea's fuming, but I wonder where it went wrong in the dressing room?
Sounds really bad environment with 0 leadership, and 0 responsibility.
Sounds really bad environment with 0 leadership, and 0 responsibility.
Quality control
Agree with his sentiment. Especially for the likes of Pogba, jlingz, Gashford and fat ass Shaw, if they are not happy, just leave. Don’t infect the dressing room like a virus.
So we have one player who isn't afraid to sugar coat what's happening around dressing room and we have fans discussing De Gea vs Henderson, fecking hell De Gea might not be good enough or first choice, instead of focusing on what he said people always divert to irrelevant discussions that was done 100 times in other threads.
Most people agree that McTominay isn't starting quality and is just about fine as a squad player. Maguire could be one of the complainers and he isn't suited to being captain. He can't handle the just criticism and him sliding and cupping his ears after he scored a goal for England in some international match last year was embarrassing and stupid.
David was 5 years ago and the point is he had conducted himself and challenged himself even after getting paid and knowing he didn't get back to Spain. You have the likes of Lingard wanting assurances and Rashford complaining about match time, Bailly match time, Henderson not playing. They all have to earn the right to play.
Marcus is more talented than Elanga, but he can't get past him in the pecking order for months now, why? The staff chose Pogba to start over Marcus even without Cavani and Ronaldo. It's damning.
Either show up and put in the effort and sacrifices for the greater good or get the feck out. Simple.
Hes been here for 10 years, played 487 games, and some still thinks he has the right to call some people out or speaking out on how bad this season has been?
Give him a good defense and wont be any worse then any other PL goalkeeper stopping balls, passing is not his strong side but he is our biggest problem to replace, to be honest i dont even know which other position is safer then his (Ronaldo is the only one close to him).
Give him a good defense and wont be any worse then any other PL goalkeeper stopping balls, passing is not his strong side but he is our biggest problem to replace, to be honest i dont even know which other position is safer then his (Ronaldo is the only one close to him).
I have a problem with something he's said there. "Those who want to stay can stay."
I bet there are some chancers in the squad who'd be happy to stay, keep their association to the club for their media profile whilst they collect their wages doing the minimum and not living up to expectations.
I bet there are some chancers in the squad who'd be happy to stay, keep their association to the club for their media profile whilst they collect their wages doing the minimum and not living up to expectations.
Suspect so too. Lingard been ill quite a few times, then has a strop when not graced with an adieu at OT. Pogba decided to take it easy after a few minutes at Anfield. Cavani missing in action all season.
Also that "De Gea wanted to go to Spain" is just a poor point. He didn't, he could have left on free transfer and he he didn't. He signed new contract to spend almost his entire career at ManUtd.
People gave a go at players for answering like robots coming up with trained bs, on the other hand few are losing their shit because player who knows better than anyone calls out the team for being so shit.
When a player says anything like David did, and it's at the end of the season, people get twisted the wrong way. We all see this is the truth. But then when the Sun or Express twist a sentence and mix it with words from a month ago to suit their agenda, people lose all reading comprehension. And feel like that is gospel.
I just have time for a player like David. He's had his ups and downs like all players, but mostly ups and people just discard him. It's their option yeah, but it is disrespectful at the same time. He carries himself well and tries his best, wears the shirt with pride.
FFS there are only two players in the conversation for POY, Dave and Ronnie.
Yeah, he has ups and downs, most probably he won't be first choice in couple of seasons of ETH sticks to his philosophy without compromise but all that wont change anything. De Gea has been very good player for us and has every right to call out the players. He is part of dressing room so he knows what's happening better than anyone
Just a Wan Bissaka making slide tackles on the line.
No other aspect of ability or work ethic.
No other aspect of ability or work ethic.
David didn't have his best form in the last season but he gave his best years to us. So I don't understand why are so many fans jumping on him because of these comments. Think most fans also agree with what he said.
Agree with this.
Agreed. A massive part of our problems come down to the fact our players have no faith in each other. Probably for good reasons. It's delusional to imagine that next season they will suddenly start believing in one another, just cos Ten Hag says so.
100%. This squad has massively fallen out. Expecting them to play and fight for each other is crazy. Just setting Ten Hag up for failure.
Yeah. There have been enough hints in interviews to substantiate this. That's before all the media reports about the situation.
100%.
We can only hope that the club is committed to this. Saddling another coach with the bulk of this squad is a recipe for disaster.
Yeah and the divide won't magically disappear because some balding fellas in Florida want it to. Major change is required. This is office politics gone real bad. There are players at United who, clearly, actively dislike each other and will point the finger at each other at the first opportunity. Regardless of who's in the dugout, thinking this squad will pull together over a 38 game season is a bit deluded.
Yup. As stated, we can only hope it shakes the senior management into action.
I mostly agree. Ralf's failed. Maybe he could have done better. However, it's difficult to believe that this group was ever going to go to the wall for him. I've heard people say that the players didn't like them calling them out, which undermined his ability to get anything from them. However, Ole was their best mate and they didn't respond to that either. Also, the anti Ralf 'Ted Lasso' stuff appeared in the media months before Ralf began lifting the lid. I see his increasing frankness as an increasing recognition of reality.
I worry about that too. I can well see a situation in which we get to Christmas and it's completely toxic. Briefings against Ten Hag as being 'a guy who's never managed outside of Holland' and who is 'out of his depth in the Premier League.' People are saying stuff like it can't get worse. It definitely can. If there aren't big changes this summer I fear the Board will be just setting Ten Hag to be another human shield.
A clear eyed take, which more people should be able to grasp. Somehow, however, it keeps going over people's heads. I suppose it's easier/nicer to believe Ralf is a garbage manager and if we just replace him with the right guy everything will be fixed. Accepting how deep rooted the problem is means accepting we may have to spend years watching City and Liverpool outshine us. Looked at like that I guess it's understandable why people cling to a less unpalatable answer to our ills.
"Ones who want to stay, stay at the club"
That would be all of them. No other club rewards mediocrity like United.
That would be all of them. No other club rewards mediocrity like United.
DDG: *Tells it like it really is and calls out the toxicity in the dressing room*
Supporters: *Attacks DDG instead*
Some of you fans are really precious.
Supporters: *Attacks DDG instead*
Some of you fans are really precious.
I don't see any benefits De Gea calling out in public. To some extent, it's the senior players' responsibilities to address such issues in dressing room, and De Gea failed on this role too, no exception. The same applies to Maguire, Bruno, Varane and Ronaldo.
You can imagine Keane back in the days would keep everyone on their toes to stay focused, give 100% and live up to high standard. We are desperately missing such leadership in dressing room. It's easy to speak big talk in public, but what actions these senior players have taken to solve the problems ? Or they just think they could do their own part well enough and all those failure can be blamed on others ?
You can imagine Keane back in the days would keep everyone on their toes to stay focused, give 100% and live up to high standard. We are desperately missing such leadership in dressing room. It's easy to speak big talk in public, but what actions these senior players have taken to solve the problems ? Or they just think they could do their own part well enough and all those failure can be blamed on others ?
Keane was part of a functioning dressing room. At this point my view of the squad is that they're divided into cliques and are at eachother's throats constantly.
I assume the want-outs and the disgruntled players like Bailly, Pogba, Shaw, Lingard, VdB etc are one group.
The Maguire gang (if he has one, hopefully he does given he's captain) is another.
Ronaldo has his own pull etc.
It doesn't help that Rangnick has no authority at all - partly due to his man management skills and partly because he was only around for 6 mo.
First thing for the new manager to do is to assert his authority. Do what Arteta did, freeze out senior players if necessary. Play the ones that really want to give 100% in training and in matches.
Keane literally went on tv and slagged off half the dressing.
Exactly. Most of these would have to be pushed out because they're happy collecting the underserved wages they wouldn't get elsewhere.
It's a collective clustefeck indeed, what DDG said screams of a player trying to distance himself from the shit publicly. Even if he was one the rare consistent performer, I still don't like airing that kinda dirty laundry so openly.