De Gea post-season interview: "Ones who want to stay, stay at the club. Ones that don't want to stay go out. You don't have to stay here."

afatzp said:
I don't see any benefits De Gea calling out in public. To some extent, it's the senior players' responsibilities to address such issues in dressing room, and De Gea failed on this role too, no exception. The same applies to Maguire, Bruno, Varane and Ronaldo.

You can imagine Keane back in the days would keep everyone on their toes to stay focused, give 100% and live up to high standard. We are desperately missing such leadership in dressing room. It's easy to speak big talk in public, but what actions these senior players have taken to solve the problems ? Or they just think they could do their own part well enough and all those failure can be blamed on others ?
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Exactly. He talks like he's above the rest of the team because he made a few saves- like every other goalkeeper in bad teams also did.

If he thinks he's such a character in a dressing room lacking them, help get them pulling in the same direction rather than complaining about it publically.
 
I still think fans/players are getting abit dramatic. It’s been a horror season. Morale is low and people are looking at someone to blame. Some players will go and others will try and gain renewed confidence in the new season alongside some new faces bringing the positivity back. One thing I’ve realised in football is it moves incredibly fast and can chance in an instant. If Utd get the recruitment right this summer, bring in 3/4 top players and we get some confidence going, we are more than capable of having a very good season. The cloud of negativity from the fans needs to go, we all need to look to bring some positivity and confidence next campaign.
 
I am all in favour of our no 1's statement..for months we've been hearing"considering my options".."won't renew contract".."wants to leave".. Simply all those who wish to leave should be made to stand at one side and sold..then we can properly recruit those who want to play for the badge.
 
I think it's strange when our fans get on his back. He's not a "modern sweeper keeper" but he's made saves that made me doubt my eyes, saves that I've had to watch in slow motion to see how he did it. DeGea never downed tools and it's not his fault he's got some real donkeys ahead of him in defense. Now he comes out and says these malcontents can get to feck if they don't honor the shirt, and people say he should go too. I don't think this is a good look for our fans.
 
JPRouve said:
And he is an example of a player that wanted to leave, had a medical and extended for a big chunk of money when his move wasn't possible anymore. If I'm being honest I don't trust him at all and wouldn't surprised if he is just trying to cover his own backside. But the message is in general correct whoever wants to leave or doesn't the temperament that this club needs should leave, no hard feelings on my part, just leave.
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Both parts of this are correct. and let's not fool ourselves, there are many better keepers out there than DDG - and it begins to look as if the Spain manager agrees. DDG must have been in church twice a day praying Enrique didn't get the United job
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
In my post, I said I fully get the sentiment. I’m just a little tired of players covering their own arses when they’ve done ok, these comments are self serving.

I’m not sure where Lingard fits in this discussion. Nor Rashford. Did either play today or Brighton? DdGs comments today may have included those 2 but they sure wouldn’t have stopped at them alone so it’s time to stop lambasting a few you’ve chosen not to like & look at the bigger picture, we aren’t dealing with just a few bad apples.

Lingard has played how many times this season & is on his way out yet you’re upset about him rather than the McTs or the Maguires which is the exact misguided outrage that plagues this fanbase. Rashford scored 20 goals last season with said injury but you’d rather focus on his surgery than the fact Shaw has been terrible all season goes away with England scoring a goal then pulls a DdG & blames everyone else but himself when on international duty. Both Lingard & Rashford have been terrible this season but look at their games played & they’ve been peripheral, yet they’re the 2 players you want to compare DdG with. . .

DdG sulked after not getting the Madrid move by the way, he isn’t beyond reproach. He’s hardly got top clubs banging down his door any longer & collects a kings ransom, so yes I’m sure he’d like to stay.
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Again, he isn't talking about the performances on the pitch.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
Since fergie left how many seasons has he got player of the season? Curious
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I'm afraid that's more a reflection on the club's mistakes than anything else. Ask yourself if he'd get in City's team, Liverpool's or even Tottenham and Arsenal's. I think the answer is a resounding no. I also think at leat three more PL keepers are above him. Yes, those in front of him don't help (I played half a season where my youngest defender was 38!) but he doesn't organise that defence, he doesn't dominate his six year box, let alone penalty area) and he is far, far, far from the bravest keeper I've ever seen. And then, like it or not, there's the modern-day need to be able to sweep and, more importantly. play the ball out of defence. DDG can't do either
 
I hope the new manager gets the support he needs to actually affect the change in the team dynamics. It's gonna be a bumpy couple of years if we decide to trust the manager (and assuming the manager is the right one).

It's gonna be more than a couple of years if we cannot keep the faith and start to look for a different manager in 6 months...
 
Teja said:
Keane was part of a functioning dressing room. At this point my view of the squad is that they're divided into cliques and are at eachother's throats constantly.

I assume the want-outs and the disgruntled players like Bailly, Pogba, Shaw, Lingard, VdB etc are one group.

The Maguire gang (if he has one, hopefully he does given he's captain) is another.

Ronaldo has his own pull etc.

It doesn't help that Rangnick has no authority at all - partly due to his man management skills and partly because he was only around for 6 mo.

First thing for the new manager to do is to assert his authority. Do what Arteta did, freeze out senior players if necessary. Play the ones that really want to give 100% in training and in matches.
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:lol:So you've no idea if these cliques exist, but you'll moan about them anyway.
 
mitchmouse said:
I'm afraid that's more a reflection on the club's mistakes than anything else. Ask yourself if he'd get in City's team, Liverpool's or even Tottenham and Arsenal's. I think the answer is a resounding no. I also think at leat three more PL keepers are above him. Yes, those in front of him don't help (I played half a season where my youngest defender was 38!) but he doesn't organise that defence, he doesn't dominate his six year box, let alone penalty area) and he is far, far, far from the bravest keeper I've ever seen. And then, like it or not, there's the modern-day need to be able to sweep and, more importantly. play the ball out of defence. DDG can't do either
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I do agree with you on many points, he probably isn’t the most modern goalkeeper and at some stage we will need to look at that, at the same time we haven’t seen him in a functional team with a top defence infront of him for 10 years. He has also been our best player, no matter what anyone says, in this era. He is the least of our worries at this moment and has the right attitude and mentality. I think he can be a help to ETH next season as he will need some on his side with the right understanding of what it means to wear this shirt.

I’d keep him next season and see how he does before even thinking about replacing him.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I think it's strange when our fans get on his back. He's not a "modern sweeper keeper" but he's made saves that made me doubt my eyes, saves that I've had to watch in slow motion to see how he did it. DeGea never downed tools and it's not his fault he's got some real donkeys ahead of him in defense. Now he comes out and says these malcontents can get to feck if they don't honor the shirt, and people say he should go too. I don't think this is a good look for our fans.
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agreed.
 
Honestly think we’re starting to behave shamefully. Maybe years of not winning anything is doing this or maybe it’s the many previous years of winning, who knows…..

De Gea isn’t a modern keeper who runs out of his box or dummies an oncoming striker or smashes a 40 yard pass to our wingers but so what? The notion that you HAVE to play with that type of keeper now and to f*%k with how good you are at actually stopping shots is quite frankly ludicrous.

David has proved this season he is still one of, if not THE best, shot stoppers in the world. He makes unbelievable saves and that’s actually incredibly rare, yet some here take it for granted. I’d take that over a sweeper keeper any day - how bouts we just get some good outfield players that can do that?!?

Also, I think his kicking is massively overplayed as “bad”. I actually think he’s a pretty good passer of the ball he’s just always given horror back passes that hardly set him up for success. When he first joined, there was lots of talk about how good his possession and kicking was……..oddly, we had better defenders and full backs that made forward runs then too….
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I do agree with you on many points, he probably isn’t the most modern goalkeeper and at some stage we will need to look at that, at the same time we haven’t seen him in a functional team with a top defence infront of him for 10 years. He has also been our best player, no matter what anyone says, in this era. He is the least of our worries at this moment and has the right attitude and mentality. I think he can be a help to ETH next season as he will need some on his side with the right understanding of what it means to wear this shirt.

I’d keep him next season and see how he does before even thinking about replacing him.
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Agree that replacing DDG is far from the top priority... but I do think we will have to move on at some time and we could get some money for him now and possibly next year. After that, he'd be another player we let go for nothing. And if a more all-round keeper become available in the summer, at a decent price (ie same as we were to get for DDG), I think we should at least consider it. You have to presume Nick Pope, for instance, will be available in the next few weeks...
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I think it's strange when our fans get on his back. He's not a "modern sweeper keeper" but he's made saves that made me doubt my eyes, saves that I've had to watch in slow motion to see how he did it. DeGea never downed tools and it's not his fault he's got some real donkeys ahead of him in defense. Now he comes out and says these malcontents can get to feck if they don't honor the shirt, and people say he should go too. I don't think this is a good look for our fans.
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Couldn't agree more after reading this thread.

DDG is only confirming what we have all suspected for a long time now; that the dressing room is toxic as feck. He wants us, the fans, to know the truth. I cannot fathom why so many in this thread are digging him out for it.
 
Adamsk7 said:
Honestly think we’re starting to behave shamefully. Maybe years of not winning anything is doing this or maybe it’s the many previous years of winning, who knows…..

De Gea isn’t a modern keeper who runs out of his box or dummies an oncoming striker or smashes a 40 yard pass to our wingers but so what? The notion that you HAVE to play with that type of keeper now and to f*%k with how good you are at actually stopping shots is quite frankly ludicrous.

David has proved this season he is still one of, if not THE best, shot stoppers in the world. He makes unbelievable saves and that’s actually incredibly rare, yet some here take it for granted. I’d take that over a sweeper keeper any day - how bouts we just get some good outfield players that can do that?!?

Also, I think his kicking is massively overplayed as “bad”. I actually think he’s a pretty good passer of the ball he’s just always given horror back passes that hardly set him up for success. When he first joined, there was lots of talk about how good his possession and kicking was……..oddly, we had better defenders and full backs that made forward runs then too….
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On that measure, we'd have kept Bosnich. He arrived before the back pass rule change and looked excellent. But on the ball, he was horrible. Clearly something he never learnt todo.

Sorry but the game has moved forward and one of the reasons we are in the mess we are is the club have not. Leave alone DDG not being a sweeper keeper (and I hate to admit it by yes they have to be now), he hardly leaves his line and fails to dominate the six-yard box let alone his penalty area
 
Jippy said:
:lol:So you've no idea if these cliques exist, but you'll moan about them anyway.
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Eh we speculate. I think it's known that there are cliques in the dressing room. There were reports of Ronaldo gang v Maguire gang etc before. No smoke without fire etc. Even Rangnick alluded it to it in his comments on how captains should be decided.

Anyway, my overall point is that you can't criticize De Gea for not fixing the situation internally just because Keane etc were able to before.
 
Teja said:
Eh we speculate. I think it's known that there are cliques in the dressing room. There were reports of Ronaldo gang v Maguire gang etc before. No smoke without fire etc. Even Rangnick alluded it to it in his comments on how captains should be decided.

Anyway, my overall point is that you can't criticize De Gea for not fixing the situation internally just because Keane etc were able to before.
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I've heard people talk about a Portuguese clique, but never a Maguire one. Just seems unlikely if the rumours about players questioning his captaincy or being picked are true at all.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I think it's strange when our fans get on his back. He's not a "modern sweeper keeper" but he's made saves that made me doubt my eyes, saves that I've had to watch in slow motion to see how he did it. DeGea never downed tools and it's not his fault he's got some real donkeys ahead of him in defense. Now he comes out and says these malcontents can get to feck if they don't honor the shirt, and people say he should go too. I don't think this is a good look for our fans.
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Nowt to do with being a modern sweeper keeper. He's really good at one thing and basically just doesn't bother with the other nine tenths of his job.

If you had a someone in work who was basically shit for 3 years, ignored most of the aspects of their job, did one thing really well for a year and then started calling other people out.

You'd think that's they are great for doing it and it's actually a good thing? That they shouldn't be criticized for their total lack of self awareness about their own role in the mess?
 
Oranges038 said:
Nowt to do with being a modern sweeper keeper. He's really good at one thing and basically just doesn't bother with the other nine tenths of his job.

If you had a someone in work who was basically shit for 3 years, ignored most of the aspects of their job, did one thing really well for a year and then started calling other people out.

You'd think that's they are great for doing it and it's actually a good thing? That they shouldn't be criticized for their total lack of self awareness about their own role in the mess?
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De Gea's performances are utterly irrelevant, as are Mata's in regard to his interview during the week. Because they're criticising others' lack of professionalism, not their poor performances. De Gea can be an utter non-entity on the pitch and still be absolutely entitled to call that out.

If people want to discuss De Gea's actual performances on the pitch, there's a spearate thread entirely for that.
 
Leftback99 said:
Exactly. He talks like he's above the rest of the team because he made a few saves- like every other goalkeeper in bad teams also did.

If he thinks he's such a character in a dressing room lacking them, help get them pulling in the same direction rather than complaining about it publically.
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Goes arm in arm with his comments the other day about being proud of his season and saying that he thinks he did well. He genuinely appears to think he’s not a part of the problem.
 
Some of you who blamed him have probably never played as a GK with shit defenders that you cant trust in front of you where they keep putting you in awkward positions. Put any GK behind a defence he doesnt trust and he will perform worse.
 
sullydnl said:
De Gea's performances are utterly irrelevant, as are Mata's in regard to his interview during the week. Because they're criticising others' lack of professionalism, not their poor performances. De Gea can be an utter non-entity on the pitch and still be absolutely entitled to call that out.

If people want to discuss De Gea's actual performances on the pitch, there's a spearate thread entirely for that.
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You’re missing the point though; if you’re good at one aspect of your job but terrible every other part of it, then it’s your professional responsibility to improve the other areas. How can he call people out for not being professional when he literally asked the club to bring in a goalkeeper coach who didn’t stretch him in those aspects of the game after Hoek left?
 
JB7 said:
You’re missing the point though; if you’re good at one aspect of your job but terrible every other part of it, then it’s your professional responsibility to improve the other areas. How can he call people out for not being professional when he literally asked the club to bring in a goalkeeper coach who didn’t stretch him in those aspects of the game after Hoek left?
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I maybe reaching a bit here but United's Spanish contingent does know how to play United fans like a fiddle , Herrera in the past and now Mata , De Gea just in last week not liking it a bit .
 
Teja said:
Keane was part of a functioning dressing room. At this point my view of the squad is that they're divided into cliques and are at eachother's throats constantly.

I assume the want-outs and the disgruntled players like Bailly, Pogba, Shaw, Lingard, VdB etc are one group.

The Maguire gang (if he has one, hopefully he does given he's captain) is another.

Ronaldo has his own pull etc.

It doesn't help that Rangnick has no authority at all - partly due to his man management skills and partly because he was only around for 6 mo.

First thing for the new manager to do is to assert his authority. Do what Arteta did, freeze out senior players if necessary. Play the ones that really want to give 100% in training and in matches.
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Very well said.
I still believe that a number of our many problems came from Ole. He was trying to be all things to all men and allowed himself to be at the mercy of the dressing room. Instead of controlling the dressing room.
We desperately need a true leader who is going to assert his authority and gain respect. Hopefully Ten Haag will be that man.
 
Jippy said:
I've heard people talk about a Portuguese clique, but never a Maguire one. Just seems unlikely if the rumours about players questioning his captaincy or being picked are true at all.
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Maguire is a one man clique.
 
Most of the serious problems have been plain to see for a while.
De Gea is not one of them

The list of why and who is long, using media, brothers, agents, wags, dressing room and team leaks all add up to a pretty poisonous atmosphere.
If you are a player at United, ( or any top club ) football first, everything else second.
 
Those saying DDG also needs to go and the whole lot needs to be fecked off are talking fantasy. We are not going to sign an entire new squad this summer. What DDG is saying is the committed players should stay and work hard at a fresh start next season. Replacing those that want out will be a major overhaul of this squad for just this summer alone, so what he's saying is a very sensible starting point. For now, get those who want out out, bring in replacements with good character, then work from there to fine tune in subsequent windows.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
Can’t believe how people let Ronaldo off the hook because he had a good final month. He was United’s worst performer for much of the season, our famed resilience and team spirit vanished in the blink of an eye after he joined (no more comebacks), he threw temper tantrums, sulked and admonished youngsters on the pitch and if we’re talking about character, the guy has an extremely credible rape allegation against him.

His Juve teammates were quick to put the boot in on him after he left too. Is it not clear that he’s been cancer to that dressing room?
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Run mate. Run.
 
JB7 said:
You’re missing the point though; if you’re good at one aspect of your job but terrible every other part of it, then it’s your professional responsibility to improve the other areas. How can he call people out for not being professional when he literally asked the club to bring in a goalkeeper coach who didn’t stretch him in those aspects of the game after Hoek left?
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It's his responsibility to work as hard and professionally as he can, conducting himself appropriately in the dressing room and off the pitch. Which he has indeed done this season, returning early to pre-season to put in the extra work that saw him successfully regain his spot as #1 as his form improved on the previous few seasons. Successfully seeing off Henderson's challenge from a point where he looked absolutely shot as a goalkeeper speaks to his application this season. Because if he wasn't putting the effort in, that wouldn't have happened.

It isn't his responsibility to magically work away all his weaknesses as a footballer, because a lot of those are down to his fundamental skillset and personality. Players can strive to improve but they they can't make themselves entirely different players. He's the profile of keeper he's always been, with all the weaknesses inherent in that. If you want something entirely different you get something entirely different, you don't expect him to transform himself into something entirely different

But those performance issues have zero to do with the context we're discussing here, which is one of a toxic dressing room full of recrimination, leaks to journalists, lack of effort, undermining the manager and a lack of base professionalism in terms of how players conduct themselves behind the scenes. And both De Gea and Mata are entitled to allude to that lack of professionalism critically regardless of their faults as actual footballers or the weaknesses they've failed to overcome, because unless they've suddenly had complete personality changes they're clearly not the sources of that toxicity.
 
Lennon said:
Give him the armband!
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Woudn't that be great after fiasco of Maguire making someone who isn't good enough to play if United have any aspiration to get back to top Captain I wonder what could go wrong .
 
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Which players is he talking about? There's no need to talk about those already known to be leaving like Pogba and Lingard.

Rashford? There was mention that Rashford was considering his United future after he got dropped under Rangnick, wasn't there?

I wonder which other players De Gea is insinuating about.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Can't wait for his tell-all autobiography.

'I usually like to chill out after training with some Slayer cranked full blast, but after one particular session in May 2022 I just couldn't get into it. Maguire was giving the room his usual stoney faced, shoulder slumped hard man routine when suddenly out of nowhere he fell out of view courtesy of a lobbed chair.

As he scrambled back to his feet I pulled my headphones out to hear the familiar dulcet tones from our frequent troublemaker. "You cat penis. I fecking kill you." I rose as Juan came charging forward, another chair in his hands. "Motherfecker. You feck up pass again. Cat penis." The last few words drowned out by the sound of the metal legs whacking against Harry's ample forehead. Juan liked chairs.

I tried to restrain him but everyone knows that once Mata starts there's really no stopping him. It's like falling into the fog, he would tell you. A fog filled with untold rage. Most of the time we just let him get on with it but after the amputated toe incident with Jesse the week before, or the squirrels nailed to Rangnick's door with the blood scrawled words "feck out the feck off" above it the previous night, we knew we had to stop him before he did something bad.

Cristiano had seen it all coming and had grabbed the tranquilliser gun. After removing his shirt he fired into Juan's buttocks. Mata eventually went down. Four darts. He's building up an immunity to them. feck."
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Yeah this is the post of the year.
 
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